So its the end of VCD then ?

[KingJohn]

http://www.dvdrhelp.com no more vcdhelp, baldrick has said that its time to move on and forget the VCD ?

Do you still make VCD's

[tgpo]

I only make VCDs...that is until I get a DVD burner. But until then my DVD player will play VCDs, but not SVCDs. Thus VCD is the format for me.

[Craig Tucker]

King John, there is an option missing, I make both. If making DVD's were quicker then I would just make DVD. But as the encoding and authoring and burning take so long I often make VCD's for the kids as they are not as discerning as me

And Baldrick did not say it is time to move on and forget VCD

We have changed our name to DVDRHelp.com. It does not mean that we are going to abandon VCD(SVCD,CVD,XVCD), it just means that we will focus more on DVD Recordable in the future and less on VCD. You can still use vcdhelp.com but you will be automatically forwarded to dvdrhelp.com.

[KingJohn]

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[Craig Tucker]

Sorry if you find the poll difficult

No, I did not find the poll difficult, I was simply pointing out that although I still make VCD's, I do not do so exclusively I also make DVD. I think this is a valid point as it shows that for me, and I assume many other people there will be a transition period before I make DVD's exclusively (mainly down to the time involved in doing so). Similarly I see there being a transition period on this web site where more and more people start making DVD's as prices and encoding times decrease, DVD will inevitably (in time) become the dominant format.

The second poll option covers 2 options
1. I make only VCD's
2. I make VCD's and DVD's.

I think it is valid to differentiate between the 2 options. Because although for me VCD's are not dead they are dying.

it just means that we will focus more on DVD Recordable in the future and less on VCD

Now I dont know about anybody else, but that sounds to me as "More on DVD and less on VCD"

Yes that is what it sounds to me like also, but not

baldrick has said that its time to move on and forget the VCD ?

Which is what you said in your first post, and this is not what Baldrick said.

What Baldrick said was

It does not mean that we are going to abandon VCD(SVCD,CVD,XVCD), it just means that we will focus more on DVD Recordable in the future and less on VCD.

Sorry if you find the poll difficult

By the way can you please tell me why you find it necessary to be so condasending and patronising in so many of your replies. Sure you may well know your stuff and write good guides which many people find very helpful, but it does not take too much effort to be civil.

[Will Hay]

In an attempt to get the thread back on topic I voted 'I still make vcd's'.
At the present time I'm making nothing but dvd's but put this down to the novelty of my new burner, the incredible program 'dvd2one' and the massive increase in quality of my home movies of my son.
I must admit, thinking about it *right now* I can't see a time when I'll create anymore vcd's but I aren't prepared to ditch my software, yet.
It will eventually die, much like vcr's will in 18-24 months (I've already ditched mine and have a system which links up my living room tv/digital channels to all bedrooms so I'm recording straight to the pc now) but that's a couple of years away.
Will

[Will Hay]

....I often make VCD's for the kids as they are not as discerning as me

You make backup's of your own dvd's for the kids Craig, or do you record kiddie stuff from tv/sky/whatever and output to cdr?
W.

[Craig Tucker]

Mostly stuff I have captured of the TV (I have only ever ripped 1 DVD and that was just to see if I could do it), the stuff I capture for myself I will put onto DVD if it is something I want to keep. But for the kids VCD is good enough.

[SatStorm]

The same here...
I mainly encode from DVB transmissions. There are only few channels in Europe with full CCIR - 601 info, so if I want to store to any CD/DVD based media, I have to re-encode. My best option is 1/2 D1, so it is CVD or DVD depending the media I want to store.
I also make VCDs and xSVCDs (like sefy's SxVCD) only when I want to give to others some stuff, in an acceptable quality and small filesize.
I prevent things that way... (my number one enemy in the hobby: Commercial trading)

The bottom line is that the framesizes/resolutions/bitrates/etc of VCD and CVD can be used on DVD also. So, VCDs and CVDs gonna virtual exist in another media, for as long as mpeg (of any version) exist.
And that gonna be a long - long time....

The media only changes and the file stracture, the basis - the mpeg itself - is the same! So what's the big deal?

[KingJohn]

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[Craig Tucker]

Is it the end of VCD, no. Is it the beginning of the end, yes.

At what point exactly did you think I was complaining. I was simply relaying the information about what media I do make, which I assumed was the point of the poll.

I used to make 100%VCD now it is only 10-15%

You really need to stop taking things so personally, its verging on paranoia.

[KingJohn]

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[Craig Tucker]

It was not a complaint, but an obsevation. But fine, if you feel that way i'm leaving.

[KingJohn]

At Last !

Ok people sorry for the rubbish, hopefully the poll has not been destroyed with all this waffle.

Feel free to comment, so long as you don't want another option added

And what about the price of disks Maxell £3.50 each ? per movie or 0.70P for 2 VCD's

[rickki804]

I still have young children, and for that reason alone, I have been doing VCD's.
However, as KingJohn pointed out to me, and as we are all realizing, these files files are becoming too big for a single cd. While it is nice to have a backup of a avi in case the kiddies mess up my dvd, it is becoming expensive to make vcds AND dvd on one movie file. Also, with it becoming so inexpensive to buy a dvd player that will play the files we are making, why bother with vcd. After you have done a few, except for the time it takes to convert them, it a no brainer to turn most of the files into dvd.

Does this mean the site would become Dvdhelp???

[Will Hay]

At Last!........Ok people sorry for the rubbish, hopefully the poll has not been destroyed with all this waffle.

Whilst not advocating any side of this petty childish argument, it's piss-poor to delete a post after someone's responded to it.
Very childish.
W.

[willy_annand]

]Sorry if you find the poll difficult

By the way can you please tell me why you find it necessary to be so condasending and patronising in so many of your replies. Sure you may well know your stuff and write good guides which many people find very helpful, but it does not take too much effort to be civil.

Have you not learned Craig, that when you are a King, you do not have to explain your actions to us underlings.

[willy_annand]

At Last!........Ok people sorry for the rubbish, hopefully the poll has not been destroyed with all this waffle.

Whilst not advocating any side of this petty childish argument, it's piss-poor to delete a post after someone's responded to it.
Very childish.
W.

If he deletes his post after one negative response, he can just say "that guy does not like me", but if you leave your silly post there for many people to respond to, then it will turn out that no one agrees with him and that will bruise his fragile ego.

he posts it, then rereads it and says "Doh, what a foolish remark, I must delete it."

[zzyzzx]

I'm guessing that most of us here don't have DVD burners and won't anytime soon.

I don't make DVD and am not interested until they become much much cheaper. And besides that my 500Mhz system isn't going to be able to make DVD's anyway (except rip & copy but certainly not record DVD from video input).

Plus my cable signal isn't good enough to make DVD's or SVCD's beneficial anyway.

[adam]

No worries guys. I have a feeling KingJohn won't be around for a while.

[Will Hay]

No worries guys. I have a feeling KingJohn won't be around for a while.

What does that mean, would you care to expand any further?
It would very cyncial of me to think the worst would it, that simply because he's had a petty argument with a moderator he's been axed?
No, that can't be the case, wouldn't exactly be a democratic system would it?
Kinda' makes my signature a case in point.

Will

[Will Hay]

I'm guessing that most of us here don't have DVD burners and won't anytime soon.......I don't make DVD and am not interested until they become much much cheaper.

I suppose it depends on many factors.
I bought my first *cdrw* at a similiar price to that of my Panasonic LF-D311 DVD-R brnber which so far hasn't produced one single coaster.
The price I paid for my dvd-r burner was superb for me, considering the increase in quality I'm achieving and that all the recommended dvd burners (Pioneer, Sony etc) were at least £70 ($100-ish) more expensive.
Saying that, whilst I spent many hours encoding with TMPGEnc and many more hours learning how to get the best out of it I never felt I was producing the best vcd/svcd I could,and suppose you could argue I've taken a lazy option in upgrading to dvd-r.
I'm far from a perfectionist but my main problem was spanning two disks -it really bugged me and was the secondary reason (behind quality) I upgraded to dvd-r.
Will

[Craig Tucker]

No worries guys. I have a feeling KingJohn won't be around for a while.

What does that mean, would you care to expand any further?
It would very cyncial of me to think the worst would it, that simply because he's had a petty argument with a moderator he's been axed?
No, that can't be the case, wouldn't exactly be a democratic system would it?
Kinda' makes my signature a case in point.

Will

He has been banned, but not for this thread alone, I agree if that were the case it would be petty. His general attitude sucked and although he did help many people he seemed to delight in confrontation and causing ill feeling where it was not warranted. The moderators keep notes of posts which are deliberatly antagonistic or abusive. 1 or 2 of these posts would not warrant banning and the member would be asked to please be more considerate to other posters. The continued refusal of any member to conform to the rules of the forum will result in them being banned. This was simply a case of the straw that broke the camels back.

If you read my original post, how many people would actually take offence to that, and find a way to start an argument ?. It was not my intention to cause offence simply to offer another option in the poll. King John seems to find other peoples opinions and suggestions offensive and if anyone has an opinion that dares to differ from his then he becomes abusive. He has done this many times before, it is not a one off incident. In this instance, and another I have seen, he then goes on to delete his posts to try and make it look like the other party is the agressor. Thankfully I quoted him in my post.

[zzyzzx]

I'm guessing that most of us here don't have DVD burners and won't anytime soon.......I don't make DVD and am not interested until they become much much cheaper.

I suppose it depends on many factors.
I bought my first *cdrw* at a similiar price to that of my Panasonic LF-D311 DVD-R brnber which so far hasn't produced one single coaster.
The price I paid for my dvd-r burner was superb for me, considering the increase in quality I'm achieving and that all the recommended dvd burners (Pioneer, Sony etc) were at least £70 ($100-ish) more expensive.

Yeah, but I've never paid more than $100 total for a CD Writer (even my Plextor). And yeah if I had a satellite signal instead of my grainy cable TV signal it might be worth making somethign better than VCD's.

[adam]

As Craig Tucker noted this was hardly an isolated incident. Believe me when I say that KingJohn was given fair notice, numerous times.

[Will Hay]

Again, not wanting to take any side in an argument I know little about but I firmly believe in freedon of speech and for the record, before this argument deteriorated into a petty playground argument, I believe there was absolutely no need to amend the poll, it was very clear;
You either exclusively make dvd or you still make vcd - simple.
I do concur it would be difficult to take offence at your comments Craig, yet what you so eloquently failed to mention in your posts is the now obvious bad blood that exists between all parties.
I can quite clearly see how KingJohn would take offence at your comment when;
1) the poll was clear and
2) you clearly dislike each other.
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As my signature demonstrates and more so as I'm trying to put forward a well-balanced, 'devils advocate' opinion, KingJohn deserves, at the very least, the chance to give his side of the story.
Below is his version of the facts, PM'd to me today.
I would not expect any decent moderator to edit this post
Will
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......Start of KingJohn's message.........

Lets set the record straight !

I have been here for a long time, take a look at how many posts I have made. When you make a lot of posts, after a while you are known to many people, a few months ago I quite being a moderator and left the forum, at that time the moderators were deleting posts when someone like me fought back against their sly remarks.

At the time Baldrick blamed a lot of it on me, and remove the ability to delete posts from everyone. But the moderators have a private room, and in there I accused them all of deleting posts and following me around trying to pick faults. At the time I joined the group it was a "Closed shop" nobody was allowed to voice their opinion against what they were doing.

So for more than a year I have put up with abuse by them, oh and they also use other usernames to come in to cause arguments. So after a while it becomes them and me !. When ever someone has a go at me, baldric sits on his ass and does nothing, he waits until I get really fed up and then has a go at me.

So you see, I have got pretty fed up with them all, so you can see why I get touchy when one of them posts their messages, as they know I will not tolerate abuse from them and will always fight back. As you can see from the poll it was not long before one of them has something to say about it.

You have to take into consideration the long term abuse I have had from these people, when I quit being a moderator, they all had a good laugh, they did post a lot of messages in the hidden topics, but I have a few loyal friends who passed them on.

I did come back after several months, but it was not long before they or someone they got to set me up started trouble again. the recent upset was the guides being hosted on http://www.fasttrackmovies.com/forum and to avoid further arguments in some of my posts I edited them with "Delete"

So Baldric immediately banned me, not because I am a really bad person, but because they don't want me here and answering back to the moderators. Take a look back on some of my posts to see some of the abuse I have got, but you wont see a lot of them, as when the moderators have had their say, the move them to a place people cannot see.

So they want to fight rough... So can I, today my lawyer issued a notice to vcdhelp to remove all my copyright guides within 7 days, and as you can see they have now been removed.

I have registered this account, not to come back and cause more trouble, but to let a few people know what sort of people these guys are. Instead I have been made "Technical advisor" at fasttrack, I have also been made "Verifier" so some of the movies you can download were verified by me. Not bad for an evil person ?

Also in this forum, you only had to say "The Two Towers", and you had everyone of those jump on you, I told Baldric 1 month ago that is site was going down hill, especially with people making more and more DVD's, it was not long before he responded with the dvdrhelp...

Well your free to make your mind up, but I would ask you to take a look at the number of posts I have made, and see if any of them have helped people, which is why I was here, but huh if anybody has a go at me, then I will fight back. You would have thought that a long standing member who has made so many posts, would get a bit more respect from these idiots, but unless you suck up to them, you will be outlawed.

You can if you wish post this messages "KingJohn sends is regards" no need to elaborate on it.

Why not visit a much better group of people at http://www.fasttrack.com/forum you wont get pounced on for talking about movies !

This membership username will be deleted shortly so no need to reply

......End of KingJohn's message.........

[adam]

Silky, with all due respect you have no place to comment. There is no conspiracy against kingjohn, and everything he said in that PM is basically false. If he hadn't gone back and deleted all of his old posts you could go and read for yourself why he was banned.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned

The rules are clear and KingJohn violated this provision numerous times. His being banned had NOTHING to do with this particular post, it had to do with his generally bad attitute and inability to take criticism without starting an argument. He was warned about it numerous times and continued to break the rules and THAT'S why he was banned.

Now despite what you say about no self respecting moderator deleting your post, let's think this out. If Kingjohn was banned its because we don't want his inappropriate comments on this board. If he simply made the same inappropriate comments and used someone else to post them then how is that any different?

If you have a problem with this site than take it up with one of the moderators or Baldrick IN PRIVATE. This is not a soap opera and its not kindergarten.

[Craig Tucker]

This is the first confrontation I have had with King John, and at the time he was a moderator, I was not. So to say that we clearly disliked each other is incorrect. He may well have disliked me because I am a moderator, he does not seem to like them much.

[Will Hay]

Silky, with all due respect you have no place to comment. There is no conspiracy against kingjohn, and everything he said in that PM is basically false. If he hadn't gone back and deleted all of his old posts you could go and read for yourself why he was banned.

I have no place to comment?
Oh please!

The rules are clear and KingJohn violated this provision numerous times. His being banned had NOTHING to do with this particular post, it had to do with his generally bad attitute and inability to take criticism without starting an argument. He was warned about it numerous times and continued to break the rules and THAT'S why he was banned.

I never suggested he was banned for this argument, although I do feel if this was thread was the icing on the cake then it was a very weak argument in which to ban him.

Now despite what you say about no self respecting moderator deleting your post, let's think this out. If Kingjohn was banned its because we don't want his inappropriate comments on this board. If he simply made the same inappropriate comments and used someone else to post them then how is that any different?

WHAT??!?!
I have no idea what the hell that means.
I was simply giving others the chance to decide for themselves, considering you had removed that very same facility from KingJohn.
I think perhaps you have misunderstood my intentions, this thread is the very first post I have read of this guy, I have never seen his guides and have therefore neither no axe to grind with him or reason to suuport him.

If you have a problem with this site than take it up with one of the moderators or Baldrick IN PRIVATE.

What problem have you detected from my posts?
Please explain.

This is not a soap opera and its not kindergarten.

Erm, kind of my original point.
I had no intention to offend anyone (but care not if my intentions were misunderstood) and have no further comment
Will

[adam]

There is nothing to discuss. He violated the rules of this board numerous times so he was banned. The solution to all this is simple. I do not think Baldrick gives out perm bans. If he can show that he is willing to abide by the rules of this forum than he is welcome here, until then he remains banned.

We try to remain as fair and impartial as possible, people do not get banned on this site unless they deserve it. I do not think this was the thread that broke the camel's back. I think there were at least a dozen other threads that alone warranted a ban.

There were already several other almost identical posts/polls in existence before this one. Considering the lack of votes and the drastic turn this thread had taken, this thread is now locked.