DVD2ONE results

[IvIark]

It's a pity it doesn't rip as well

That's one of the things I LIKE about this program. No DeCSS means it isn't breaking any laws, they aren't going to have a law suit filed against them and so will be available for longer for updates and support.

There are enough rippers out there and it makes sense that DVD2One has separated itself from them.

[toolman2k]

@ Jah_Rankin

Give credit where it's due. This is good software and the quality is great

I gave credit where it is due. I said comedies and movies with low action, regardless of the file size, seem to retain tremendous quality with DVD2ONE. As for your GREAT software quote, well, it's obvious it is FAR from Great. People have had just as much success with movies as they have had shimmering, jitters, or pulsating problems with others.

Please give me a break. do u know what I can do in 30 hrs, I can fly from here to the UK & back in that much time.

And I can take 3 shits in 30 hours, so what's your point? It takes my machine less then 3 hours to reencode most movies with CCE. If it's taking your computer 30 hours, you shouldn't be using anything other then the built in Windows calculator on that joker.

As I said from my first post on this subject, it's a waste of time and senseless to disparage each other's opinions. However, when there are problems such as the ones that have been mentioned with DVD2ONE, then those need to be elaborated on as well. Apparently there are people that just want to hear what they have been hoping for so long. That some software will come out and it will be the Messiah of DVD software with time and quality, and DVD2ONE is FAR, FAR from that point. Especially when it comes to action packed movies. People were so anxious and excited with this product, that they let one test on one movie cloud their judgment. With more time, it is shown that more movies have more problems, including one of the ones I did which has some type of jittering and jerky video here and there. But once again, I will reverberate, if people ARE NOT concerned with ANY pixelation or jitters here and there, then it's all good for them. As for me, IF & WHEN DVD2ONE has enough updates to compete CONSISTENTLY with other methods, then the day of DVD making with simplicity, speed and quality has arrived. Until then, do what your happy with, and I'll continue to do what i'm happy with.

defense-im agreeing with you totally! lets see what pinaccle will do (hopefully not as crappy as their editing software....)

[Bulten]

True true IvIark...
I guess it was a wise decision to leave out DVD-ripping. However, is ripping always illegal? I mean, let's say you have encrypted the DVD by yourself, and in that case you are the copyright owner. Is it still illegal to rip this DVD just because of the protection? I mean, DVD-Jon (norway) was set free (though I heard they decided to the nxt court with this, but still, the last court set him free), does that mean it's okay to rip? I think the movie industry does not agree with that. What do you think?

[IvIark]

I guess it was a wise decision to leave out DVD-ripping. However, is ripping always illegal? I mean, let's say you have encrypted the DVD by yourself, and in that case you are the copyright owner. Is it still illegal to rip this DVD just because of the protection? I mean, DVD-Jon (norway) was set free (though I heard they decided to the nxt court with this, but still, the last court set him free), does that mean it's okay to rip? I think the movie industry does not agree with that. What do you think?

That's very true, I can't see how it could possibly be illegal to decrypt a home movie but unfortunately the combined force of the major Hollywood studios seems to be writing their own laws whenever they decide to. Never before has it been so blatant that governments are being influenced by money. If the Mafia "influenced" certain government officials in this way it would be called bribery and corruption.

[Bulten]

Maffia is not such a bad description. The movie industry (as well as the music industry) is putting preasure on the governments. I'm not saying it's OK to rip and copy rented movies (of course this is illegal), but there are other examples. The case where you wanted to decrypt your home movie.
We also have another example. Denmark now has a law thet forbids you to copy your own bought music CDs to mp3. This will make almost every mp3-player in Denmark useless. It will also make a huge part of the danish population criminals, and what is the use of such law?
Again i understand it's not OK to spread bought music over the internet (as well as bought DVD movies), but you may actually want to compress music to mp3, to put on a CD to play with your mp3-compatible CD-player. You see where I am going here?

Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, but I think this is quite important...

[IvIark]

Well I must say that if they brought out a law like that in the UK it wouldn't stop me from making MP3s out of my purchased CDs. I have a CD type MP3 player and it means that when I go on holiday I can just takje a couple of backup CD-Rs and take the equivalent of 20 odd CDs worth of music with me. As far as I'm concerned, if you've bought the originals no one has a right to tell you how you are allowed to listen to it.

[energy80s]

The law is much the same in the UK. It is illegal to copy ANYTHING from any format to any other format without a license from the MCPS. It doesn't matter whether you have an original CD or DVD - if you want backup copy you MUST buy another original. Also the copy protection on a DVD means that even in America with their "Fair Use" policy, you can only exercise your rights by breaking the law and cracking the CSS codes on the disc.

That's why I get so peeved when people on here act so disapprovingly of others who illegally copy DVD's when they are basically doing the exact same thing themselves! Programmes like SmartRipper and DVD De-Crypter will only function properly if you break the CSS encription codes. That is what the Movie Studios are taking action against. At least DVD2One won't be (directly) affected by this.

[GandyMan]

allenf,

For me I have no problem with people saying negative things about DVD2ONE if they are constructive. What Jason does is say you guys are idiots for using this CCE is better.

WRONG! I've never said anyone was an idiot for using DVD2one. In fact, if you had read most of my posts lately, you will see I said it was a good idea for newbies, lazy people, people who don't have good quality equipment, people who aren't as particular about quality, or people who have difficulty understanding the more technical methods such as with CCE.

WRONG! CCE is better under some circumstances.

Better in what way? Qualitywise, it's BETTER quality whenever the bitrate of a video must be reduced.

I don't car what he says abotu setting CCE up. It may take hime 1 minute 30. I can set DVD2One up in 15 secs. Well it's time to go.

It takes seconds to setup CCE. I've said this multiple times. I don't sit and stare at my computer during encoding.

I also calibrated my TV myself, but it's common knowledge on the high-end video forums that some tweaks are more accurate when performed with special equipment by certified calibrators rather than Joe Blow yourself. Although my image quality was excellent after my own calibration with AVIA, I think the additional improvement of a certified calibrator is a small price to pay considering how much the equipment costs, you might as well get the most out of it. If you did yours yourself, then no wonder you don't notice the difference between your DVD2ONE and original videos. You probably did something wrong.

? It gives 1080 at the most but since you are using a DVD it gives 720. My projector gives 1024 lines of resolution. Your logic, as usual, is flawed at best

Speaking of flawed logic, there's no way you're getting any of these resolutions from a DVD, so to mention them is ridiculous. There's more to this issue than resolution! My logic is that CCE encoding with my method gives noticably better quality. It's also been proven to others here and has been discussed at the doom9 forum.

Gandyman,

you call me an ass for making a fool out of you, but I stand behind everything I've said. TV is not a synonym for projector. I'm not sure what dictionary you've been reading. We've got projectors at work which definitely are NOT TVs! LOL And they certainly dont do HDTV! You are a joke. You might want to take a trip to the AVSforums also and ask them if a projector and TV are synonyms. Your flawed logic has me laughing. But what you're really trying to avoid is the fact that DVD2ONE does give a noticable quality loss on the backup DVD which I can see on my high quality equipment, yet you can't seem to notice on your mis-calibrated system. Maybe you should pay me to calibrate it. I have calibrrated some others for people who didn't want to pay a certified calibrator. However, you should read up in the AVSforums to understand the mindset of us videophiles. Newbies like you have a lot to learn.

Now let's get back to discussing issues in a more respectful manner. There's no need to attack others who disagree with you!!!

Newbies: before responding to my posts, please be sure to read all of them. I've had to respond to several responses to posts of mine by people that clearly didn't read my earlier posts, and I'm having to post redundant information which I have already responded about.

I see you made an ass of your self again, why not post this were all can read what I put in my post, we said it once and we say it again, u just made an even bigger ass of your self for not letting everyone read what you were replying to. A projection TV is a TV. So the only laughing is this forum at u. And as for going to another Forum, I do not need to goto a Forum to learn, I did that in school. Mabey that is your problem U only know what u read.. So next time post a quote; do not be so scared. And calling someone a newbie oh please hurt me more.....

[Jah_Rankin]

@ Jah_Rankin

Give credit where it's due. This is good software and the quality is great

I gave credit where it is due. I said comedies and movies with low action, regardless of the file size, seem to retain tremendous quality with DVD2ONE. As for your GREAT software quote, well, it's obvious it is FAR from Great. People have had just as much success with movies as they have had shimmering, jitters, or pulsating problems with others.

Please give me a break. do u know what I can do in 30 hrs, I can fly from here to the UK & back in that much time.

And I can take 3 shits in 30 hours, so what's your point? It takes my machine less then 3 hours to reencode most movies with CCE. If it's taking your computer 30 hours, you shouldn't be using anything other then the built in Windows calculator on that joker.

As I said from my first post on this subject, it's a waste of time and senseless to disparage each other's opinions. However, when there are problems such as the ones that have been mentioned with DVD2ONE, then those need to be elaborated on as well. Apparently there are people that just want to hear what they have been hoping for so long. That some software will come out and it will be the Messiah of DVD software with time and quality, and DVD2ONE is FAR, FAR from that point. Especially when it comes to action packed movies. People were so anxious and excited with this product, that they let one test on one movie cloud their judgment. With more time, it is shown that more movies have more problems, including one of the ones I did which has some type of jittering and jerky video here and there. But once again, I will reverberate, if people ARE NOT concerned with ANY pixelation or jitters here and there, then it's all good for them. As for me, IF & WHEN DVD2ONE has enough updates to compete CONSISTENTLY with other methods, then the day of DVD making with simplicity, speed and quality has arrived. Until then, do what your happy with, and I'll continue to do what i'm happy with.

defense-im agreeing with you totally! lets see what pinaccle will do (hopefully not as crappy as their editing software....)

Like I've stated in earlier post that the jittering effect is also noticeable in copies that was done with out re-encoding, after using Ifo edit to strip out extras, etc so it may very well be a media problem, but not Dvd2one. My machine is a 1.1 gig pent 4 with 512 mgs a ram, overclocked @ 600 mhz bus speed running tweak all and pc booster from codeforge software. and yes when i attempted to re-encode the movie Murder by numbers using CCE it estimated 30 hrs, logically I cancelled the process after six hrs which @ the time only 18% of pic were completed, what a waste of time! Now I've seen where some1 mentioned in a post some where that it does'nt actually take as long as the estimated time to re-encode in CCe, the program only gives u worst case time, but even so 6 hrs and counting is a long time to wait b4 I can verify if they're are audio, pic quality problems, etc. Get a life kid, the software is great. U r not the creator and so all u can find is bashing against it for the most part. Let's ask the people on the forum that have ever used your guide or method backing up a movie the success rate and we'll see the true out come of you so called 3 hr perfect copy analogy.

[IvIark]

The law is much the same in the UK. It is illegal to copy ANYTHING from any format to any other format without a license from the MCPS.

Well that's not altogether true. When the new EU Copyright Directive becomes UK law there will be "fair dealing" exceptions for private use.

[johnmeyer]

I hope someone is still interested in DVD2ONE results.

I had a problem in that DVD2ONE quit about 2/3 of the way through the movie. I went ahead and burned a DVD-RW to see how the first hour (the part that got encoded) of the movie would look on my Pioneer 45" screen and it looked fine.

I have WinXP Pro, Pioneer A05. I think the problem may be the result of telling DVDDecrypter to put the VOB in one file. The resulting file was a little over 6 GB. Perhaps DVD2ONE has a problem with VOB files over a certain size?

[IvIark]

I think the problem may be the result of telling DVDDecrypter to put the VOB in one file

I've definitely read on another forum that the VOB files should be left as on the CD, and so should remain split. I think the program can handle combined VOBs but there are certain problems that can occur.

[Ndb;-))]

I hope someone is still interested in DVD2ONE results.

I had a problem in that DVD2ONE quit about 2/3 of the way through the movie. I went ahead and burned a DVD-RW to see how the first hour (the part that got encoded) of the movie would look on my Pioneer 45" screen and it looked fine.

I have WinXP Pro, Pioneer A05. I think the problem may be the result of telling DVDDecrypter to put the VOB in one file. The resulting file was a little over 6 GB. Perhaps DVD2ONE has a problem with VOB files over a certain size?

You have to rip in file mode (all the ifo's etc) and it's does say to leave the vob's as is i.e. not one big vob.

http://www.dvd2one.com/howtouse.htm check here

[flt123]

only used it once but realy good used it on a 7.88gb it went down to 4.36gb in 30 min very good quality

[johnmeyer]

I didn't use file mode. Perhaps that was the problem. I'm accustomed to letting DVDdecrypter strip out the junk I don't need. I guess I need to turn that over to DVD2One. I'll try again.

[Technut42]

Got very good results first try with "Saving Private Ryan". I did several DVDs that were 7-8GB to one DVD and am very happy.
Using a Sony 500A with AMD 1700, 512MB, (2)80GB HD running Win2k.
Use Ritek and Accu disc.
This software works, unlike the $99 DVDxCopy I bought that only plays on a handful of players.

[johnmeyer]

I tried another DVD, "Shania Twain: Live," using "file mode" in DVD Decrypter, followed by DVD2ONE. By using file mode, it worked without a hitch. The original DVD is 120 minutes, so DVD2ONE has to do a 2:1 compression. As expected, there are some artifacts, but mostly in areas that are REALLY hard to do, such as smoke in front of, and behind, the performers.

What was unusual -- and what may give a hint as to how the recompression is being performed -- is that the smoke tended to pulse as it was moving, with the pulses being about 1/3 - 3/4 of a second. It wouldn't surprise me if these pulses are occurring along GOP boundaries (although I only have a passing knowledge of MPEG-2 structure). The effect was somewhat annoying, but fortunately didn't happen very often. A straight recompression with TMPGEnc would have had problems with the smoke as well, I'm sure, but wouldn't have resulted in the "pulsing."

However, despite this one issue, I'm still VERY impressed with DVD2ONE, as I am with Remote Selector which I purchased last fall. Whoever the guy is that has created these two programs, he's good.

[irwincur]

I have so far done all of my long movies, and the results are very good. I have completed Saving private Ryan, Braveheart, LOTR-F, Pulp Fiction, Das Boot, and The Patriot. Each of them for their length display very good quality on my 30" (smallish) Samsung HDTV. However, they also look very good on my brothers premium 36" Toshiba HDTV. I am sold. Taking a 2 1/2 hour long movie and encoding to 1/2 the bitrate with great resuts in 45 min is well worth the small sacrifice.

Sure in heavy actions scenes (SPR in particular) their is some minimal pixelization. But I had a hell of a time encoding that to a huge DivX, with worse results, so I take that as a very positive sign of quality. The fact of the matter is, if you are really making 'backups', the quality is fine for using these and preserving the originals. Nobody I showed them to could tell the difference, and I can only if I am really looking.

[jeepers94]

As far as screen size,that is not as important as some think! An old 99" or 122" projection tv is not as sharp as most 56" HD RPTV units.Bigger is not always better!I have my Sony HDTV hooked to 2 dvd decks.I played an original on 1,and a DVD2ONE copy on the other,SPLIT SCREEN!There is a clear loss of detail and pixilation on the copy!I then tried a 2 disc copy done with X Copy,About as close to the original as you could get.I compared the DVD2One to the X Copy,X Copy wins.I even switched decks,just to make sure it wasn't a hardware thing.Bottom line DVD2One is very good on smaller movies,but I will not replace my X Copy with it,but will use DVD2One as well.

[herbapou]

My attempt to use DVD2one with Pearl Harbor results in a complete disaster. Huge macro blocks on darks scenes, lost of sharpness and the rotating sharp/blurr/sharp frames bug showed up.

But I was pushing it by trying to fit 12 gigs on a single DVD-5

[Ndb;-))]

12gig on a DVD-R

Worth a try

[spaceman]

I then tried a 2 disc copy done with X Copy,About as close to the original as you could get.I compared the DVD2One to the X Copy,X Copy wins.I even switched decks,just to make sure it wasn't a hardware thing.Bottom line DVD2One is very good on smaller movies,but I will not replace my X Copy with it,but will use DVD2One as well.

Well that is a suprise a software package (X COPY) that makes a PERFECT copy of original disc split over 2 discs that betters a 1 disc transcode!!!!!

I am glad u pointed that out..........Spaceman

[jarvis1781]

hey IvIark

if it is a home movie...there should be no reason to DeCSS it...because if it was home made there should be no encryption

[IvIark]

hey IvIark

if it is a home movie...there should be no reason to DeCSS it...because if it was home made there should be no encryption

True there's no need to but you can encrypt it which makes the use of DeCSS legitimate. I think you can choose to encrypt the project as an option with DVD Maestro for instance.

[Scarpad]

My attempt to use DVD2one with Pearl Harbor results in a complete disaster. Huge macro blocks on darks scenes, lost of sharpness and the rotating sharp/blurr/sharp frames bug showed up.

But I was pushing it by trying to fit 12 gigs on a single DVD-5

I'm amazed people rag on this program and then say they were trying to fit 12gigs onto a 4.33 GB DVDR, well what did you expect the video to look like ?"

I you're rational about it and set 4.3gb -7gb movies as your limit the output is quite nice.

[herbapou]

Hehe, well LoTR produce a decent output and its the same lenght, about 3 hours.

But the original Pearl Harbor encode takes 12 gigs vs 9 gig for LoTR. So since they are the same lenght, I gave it a shot.

[beintot]

I've used Dvd2one for quite a few days now,done quite a few films with it and the only issue i have with it is the fact that it always creates a total of files which equal the Full capacity of a dvdr.I use bulkpaq [green] 2 speed media,popular in the uk,and have wasted many discs in the past few days,the faults always being in the last few minutes of thefilm,or the last chapter.
The only way round this i can think of is to rip the dvd in dvd decrypter and keep any additional audio tracks [i use ifo mode normally],rather than just choosing a single audio track.Then use ifo edit after using dvd2one to go back to using just one audio track,this would then make the overall file size smaller,and more likely to burn properly,for me anyway.The choice here locally isn't great for 2 speed media so i am using bulkpaq for the time being and trying to waste less discs,anything over 4.0gb file size seems to cause these problems.

[johnmeyer]

Perhaps the DVD2ONE author should have a user-settable control to make the files smaller than the full capacity of the disk. It sounds like for you that 0.5% smaller would be all you need.

[energy80s]

People here seem to be confusing a films running time with its file size. The two bear no resemblence to each other. When you are transcoding a film (like what DVD2One does) you ONLY look at the original file size, as that is all the the programme is looking at. It doesn't matter if it runs for 20 minutes or 20 hours, its the amount of gigabytes that is used that counts!

[P@iNKilleR]

this is not a link but a bit of info for U all to look at... the author of ifoupdate has produced a small prog (make it easy) that works inline with dvd2one to keep all your menu's & extras. If anyone is interested (thats us & the mods) please check doom9.org I hope this was ok ( to all mods)

Kev!

(I may have double posted this but it appears in the results part soory for any hassle I may have caused )