Anyone tried DVD2ONE?

[mikef07]

A couple quick ?'s

1. Do I really have to go and make sure every letter is in caps?
2. When ripping fo i just need the VTS_01_1.VOB - VTS_01_6.VOB files or do I need the IFO file and VIDEO_TS files as well?
3. Does it really not work if I use Nero meaning I have to burn using Primo DVD?

[dun4cheap]

This program does all that. I think he is just reminding you that if you make changes to make sure they are all capped. When the DVD2one is done everything is capitalized and in proper order.

[Faceman101]

I should say 4.8 - 6 or so. Well T2, LOTR, movies like that I wouldn't do with program

@Faceman101
do you have some facts to back this up? From my so far limited experience this size range should not cause a problem for the large majority of users.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvd-svcd-hilfe....p=de_en&tt=url

Taken from someone else's SPR test:

Original frame
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_original.jpg

CCE encoded frame (only at VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps because....)
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_cce.jpg

DVD2One frame (DVD2ONE brings it down to 3208 kbps)
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_dvd2one.jpg

Remember...my opinion. I just do not want a ton of people resonding to threads of people asking how to desample their movies and people not seeing the difference between TIME and EFFORT compared to easy. The easy would be very good on movies like Kung-Pow and such if you want to keep all audios, but for SPR, LOTR and such I would not recommend this.

[NYPlayer]

LOTR and a few other movies are the exceptions. These are long movies and are full 9 gig DVD's. Encoding these type of movies is not worth it not even with CCE splitting the movie is a better option.

The normal movies say 98% or so will fit comfortably onto 1 dvd eliminating unwanted audio tracks with very little compression. So DVD2One is the best option for most movies.

IMHO

[herbapou]

SmurfPacker

Watch out, the copy of borrowed or rent material is limited to music in lots of countries. But there is pending laws to include movies in private copying in lots of countries too.

And I didnt found anything about this expection in US laws. But I know for a fact the US is not collecting any special tax on blank medias to compensate private copying.

[KaoS]

Well I wil be trying this tonight..

For those of you that are going to be buying large HDTVs, I will let you know what I think of the product tonight after I test it

I will be running playing it back on a 65" Mits WS HDTV with a JVC DVD Player.

I will be interested to see how it plays back on a HDTV with progressive scan enabled.

Will it keep the progressive? Will it keep the aspect ratio for both a WS and a 4:3 tv? (I will test on both)

So far it sounds promising...

[wizzy]

A questiom for someone who try it:
if you rip 2 streams (DD5.1,DTS) you still get 4.3gb of movie?
or 1 DVD-R movie?

[dun4cheap]

I have been taking both the dd5.1 and dts. It fits it to fit 1 dvd 4.3gig. If you only take one of the audios it uses the extra space for the video quality.

[IvIark]

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvd-svcd-hilfe....p=de_en&tt=url

Taken from someone else's SPR test:

Original frame
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_original.jpg

CCE encoded frame (only at VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps because....)
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_cce.jpg

DVD2One frame (DVD2ONE brings it down to 3208 kbps)
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/muestra_dvd2one.jpg

Remember...my opinion. I just do not want a ton of people resonding to threads of people asking how to desample their movies and people not seeing the difference between TIME and EFFORT compared to easy. The easy would be very good on movies like Kung-Pow and such if you want to keep all audios, but for SPR, LOTR and such I would not recommend this.

All this tells us is that it won't do as good a job as the best encoder currently available on a movie 170 minutes long which is probably the hardest film to encode, full of high action complex scenes. So what!! This type of movie is the exception not the rule and so when similar movies come along we can use CCE instead. It's a bit of a no brainer really.

I also notice that the person who posted the images didn't offer a similar set for an average 90 minute film for comparison. Talk about stacking the odds!

[Frenetic24]

I have a questions as well

What if the selected movie and audio track is still not bigger not 4.3 gig, will it still rencode? or will it simply rip and create the proper .ifo files ready to burn??

thanks

it is pretty futile to argue whether DVD2one or CCE provide demonstrably better results. The test material is critical and so is the test method. The arguments on each side will likely have no end. Basically, this is a very good thing. What it means is that DVD2one is an outstanding method that so far appears to compete with the very best possible encoding techniques. Beyond that it starts to become a moot point.

My use of a particular software method will be based on:

1. My ability to achieve the desired goal of 1 DVD for 1 movie (in most cases). I already know how to split movies to 2 DVDs but in general I do not like this approach because it is disruptive to the viewing experience. I will process to 2 DVDs only when absolutely necessary to maintain quality ... see next issue.
2. Quality is citical. Here I want a result that is very nearly indistinquishable from the original. Nearly indistinquishable means something very specific to me. My decision will be based on an actual experiment or at least my conjecture on the result of a double blind experiment. It goes like this. If I am given two DVDs and I don't know which is the original and which is the encoded one and I play this for my audience and we can not reach a concensus as to which is the original then I am satisfied with the quality of the copy. In such an experiment I do not freeze frames for inspection.
3. Assuming I have met my quality standard then I will choose the method which is most convenient.

[dun4cheap]

Frenetic24, from my tests if the actual original dvd will be less than the 4.3gig when the streams you don't wish to keep are extracted it seems to leave the video portion alone. As many of people have found problems with ifoedit, it seems to make fully cliable ifo files. Matter of fact I have had problems with just IFO files in the past using ifoedit with a curtis mathis dvd player. This program has created working ifo files. It has worked in every player I have tried, curtis mathis, apex 5131,1200,1201,1100,RCA, my laptop, personal computer. Hope that answers your questions.


I am begining to sound like a sales person. Its not to often I find a program that is not only worth the money its being sold for but it does a really acceptable job. Kind of like my sony DRU500a getting a free upgrade to 4x DVD+R burning...

[Faceman101]

All this tells us is that it won't do as good a job as the best encoder currently available on a movie 170 minutes long which is probably the hardest film to encode, full of high action complex scenes. So what!! This type of movie is the exception not the rule and so when similar movies come along we can use CCE instead. It's a bit of a no brainer really.

I also notice that the person who posted the images didn't offer a similar set for an average 90 minute film for comparison. Talk about stacking the odds!

You basically missed the point of my postings. For T2, LOTR, Gangs of NY, SPR, etc this would not be the method to go. I could also encode SPR with TMPGEnc at the CCE settings and have the same quality as the CCE clip. I am saying this program is great for smaller movies. Not the big ones. Check the link I posted for LOTR screenshots, a movie that is just as long with not many of your "full of high action complex scenes...". Also "hardest movie to encode"? That screenshot is from a pretty still scene minus the water moving. The contents of the movie have nothing to do with it. The length and original file size do. This program just compresses MPG2, it does not re-encode. So for larger movies I hope no one suggests to others to use this, but like I said in my posts for movies that just go over the limit (alot of them b.c of audio tracks) this program is great.

@Frenetic24
If you select the main movie and only one audio track and it comes out under 4.3gigs the program will not compress the video.

[wizzy]

DVD2ONE support Dual CPU?
I have download and try the demo and the remaining time was 80Min on Dual System!!
i cant buy it if it not support dual cpu, or someone can tell me why it show me 80min remaining?

[IvIark]

Faceman101 wrote

You basically missed the point of my postings. For T2, LOTR, Gangs of NY, SPR, etc this would not be the method to go. I could also encode SPR with TMPGEnc at the CCE settings and have the same quality as the CCE clip. I am saying this program is great for smaller movies. Not the big ones. Check the link I posted for LOTR screenshots, a movie that is just as long with not many of your "full of high action complex scenes...". Also "hardest movie to encode"? That screenshot is from a pretty still scene minus the water moving. The contents of the movie have nothing to do with it. The length and original file size do. This program just compresses MPG2, it does not re-encode. So for larger movies I hope no one suggests to others to use this, but like I said in my posts for movies that just go over the limit (alot of them b.c of audio tracks) this program is great.

I didn't miss the point of your posting at all, I'm just pointing out that the person who put together the images used the worst possible case scenario and for all the movies I've done it's been a damn site closer than the SPR images would suggest and it shouldn't be much of a surprise considering the complexity of that film.

I've just done Salem's Lot and the results are fantastic and that film is 182 minutes. I'll scan through it shortly and find a complex frame to do a compare.

[Frenetic24]

@dun4cheap

Thank you for the info!!!!

I only need to know one last thing before I purchase this amazing software.

How does it handle dvd's that have mutliple episodes on them? for instace I have a dvd with 6 - 25 mins episodes. How can I make it take them all? Or it cant, can only select 1 episode, and thats it...?

thanks
ps: it says ont the website you can split a dvd into 2, I dont see that happening since you can only choose one stream it seems.

thanks

[VidGuy]

DVD2ONE support Dual CPU?
I have download and try the demo and the remaining time was 80Min on Dual System!!
i cant buy it if it not support dual cpu, or someone can tell me why it show me 80min remaining?

It works on a dual CPU machine - it does not seem to take advantage of the second CPU.

However, reencoding spiderman on a dual 1800 athlon took about 18 minutes. So, who care if it uses the 2nd cpu - that's faster than anything else I encode with, and the quality's not bad....

How does it handle dvd's that have mutliple episodes on them? for instace I have a dvd with 6 - 25 mins episodes. How can I make it take them all? Or it cant, can only select 1 episode, and thats it...?

DVD2one can't handle that yet. Here's how I do it. I join different VOBs as described in http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/joinclip.html
This goes fairly fast and is a simple process (just a few steps).
Now run DVD2one on these joined VOBs.

Now when you are playing this DVD there is no menu, so just go chapter by chapter to get to your individual episodes.

[rhuala2]

All I would like to know is how does a longer movie (over 140mins) look played back on a decent big screen TV. That way I'll know how it does at transcoding. If you play back on a PC screen a 180min movie transcoded at 2500 would look great on a PC but crap on a 60" TV. You really need to see it blown up to see the changes...

rhuala

[dun4cheap]

Frenetic24, from what I see on the web page is dvd splitting and full dvd processing including menus is planned on future versions. So I don't think in its current state it can handle multiple episodes. But it should be able to in the future.

[Frenetic24]

robw-> once again you are the king thank you for that link, it does not seem all that bad to join vob files! thanks again

Dun4cheap. you are correct, I look forward to seing newer version of this fine product!

thanks

Ps: things are looking up for me! subtitles are a must, this software is GOLD.

[Scarpad]

I'll Download this and give it a try tonight. What's the limitation of the demo? What I'll do is try ripping anout an 1:45 min movie that's probably an average time. Then I can try something Over 2 Hrs maybe 2:15. I have a 65" Widescreen and I can compare the output. I'll also try to do something that has some faster motion where you'll see compression artifacts.

[wizzy]

ok i have bought it and now i am give it a shot, but there is few bugs!!
first the blue bar that filing every time is in the end from the begining, the % is going "crazy" 6005 than 4578%...weird....
than the remaining time is 556Hr!!
its the 17min right now and still proccesing...
anyone have this kind of "bugs" to?

If the Author of this program is reading please pay attention to this!


and another thing:

i choose a "save" dir on my HDD (80GB) and he say its not enough!


ok after 28min the result:

good quality in 4.3gb
movie run good and smooth , but in the end he gut freezed!!
I think that i just wasted 40$ for free....
i was stisfied from the result untill i saw the freezing...

[defense]

LOTR and a few other movies are the exceptions. These are long movies and are full 9 gig DVD's. Encoding these type of movies is not worth it not even with CCE splitting the movie is a better option.

The normal movies say 98% or so will fit comfortably onto 1 dvd eliminating unwanted audio tracks with very little compression. So DVD2One is the best option for most movies.

IMHO

@ nyplayer, I'm just curious as to why you don't think it is worth it to reencode a movie such as LOTR for 1 DVD-R? I don't want two seperate DVD-R's, so I have never experienced with splitting. I have about 10 SVCD's which are on two CDR's, but I don't want to do that with DVD-R's. I'm just curious though why you would say that you don't think it would be a good idea to reencode a movie that is that big to fit onto 1 DVD-R? I have done movies using CCE's 1 Pass VBR or 2 pass VBR and the quality looks just like the original DVD. I am watching the movies on either a 27' Sony, or a 36' Sony television. The quality looks even BETTER on my 36' Sony, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a good idea. I've also done the same to movies like Castaway, Gladiator, Remember the Titans, and the longest time-wise movie I have, "TITANIC." All of which seem to play exactly like the original, which is even harder for me to believe, but it is true. The only thing I can think of is that because the actual movie is so big you are saying that too much quality is lost in the whole encoding process. That probably is true "technically" but there is no way you can notice a difference between ANY of the original movies I've mentioned or the Reencoded ones. Please let me know what you think when you get a chance. Thanks

[big_hed]

The site is down or getting hammered, any mirrors out there?

[NYPlayer]

defense,

No particular reason except that a movie like LOTR which is 3 hrs and one of my favorites. I would prefer splitting. This is just one of the few movies out there that I would split to maintain full DVD quality.

[rhegedus]

ok i have bought it and now i am give it a shot, but there is few bugs!!
first the blue bar that filing every time is in the end from the begining, the % is going "crazy" 6005 than 4578%...weird....
than the remaining time is 556Hr!!
its the 17min right now and still proccesing...
anyone have this kind of "bugs" to?

Nope

Works like a dream - are you sure your PC os OK?

Regards,

Rob

[wizzy]

my PC is more than Ok...i am giving it one more try


ok i give it a shot again the result:

now its working!! but wait the finale size is 4.6GB!!
how can i fit it to 1 DVD-R?


Mmmm...Email from Erwin van den Berg :

> Hi
> I have bought DVD2ONE the results are good, but in my case (first time using)
> i had some issues:
> 1)DVD2ONE complain on low disk space on my 80GB HD (now i know the trick)
> 2) the blue bar that show the progress was already in the end and the % was act "crazy"
> 3)the movie played fine until 20min from the end he got freezed and i could not play it or resume play it, i needed to stop playing.

Sounds like cheap media ... Princo is known for this kind of problems. (???) did i mention that i play it on my standalone DVD player? N O ! !


Best regards,
Erwin van den Berg

what is that bulshit?

[rhegedus]

my PC is more than Ok...i am giving it one more try

Think again - no one else has reported this problem. Can you try it on another PC?

Regards,

Rob

[herbapou]

Wizzy your problem is related to your PC or your OS or something in your environnement. Also, try with another movie. Did you rip the movie in filemode before starting?

BTW looks like DVD2one website is down.

One problem I found with this software is some strange pulsating/shifting of pixels. Its very annoying. But its doesnt happen with animation movies.

So, anyone other than me notice that pulsating effect? I am doing NTSC region 1 DVD's.