editing software

[JamesB69]

I have a vcd compliant mpg and want to remove some frames from the video. Can anybody reccomend some software that can do this. I thougt about using a splitter and splitting before and after the frames and then merging. But i couldnt find any software that could do it by frame most only do it by time. I would prefer it be free, so give me what ya got.

[BJ_M]

free editors will only cut on a I frame , so it will not be only 1 or 2 frames ..

it will be everything between 2 I frames

you can use TMPGenc for this and there are guides for ti on the left ...

to only cut 1 or 2 frames requires re-encoding around the frame and programs such as m2 and vitec do this , and a few others ..

[JamesB69]

somebody should write a free one. can i do this with premiere?

[MickeyMouse]

James69: Get on it dude... write one. Do you need a C compiler? There's plenty out there that are free.

[donpedro]

Isn't that characteristic of mpeg that you can't cut on frame ? Only I-frame ?

[JamesB69]

Ok anybody that knows any software that will let me delete frames from a mpg please tell me. Preferably free but i would take any at this point

[MickeyMouse]

If you are talking mpeg1, you can use TMPGenc

If youa re talking mpeg2, you can "PURCHASE" Ulead Mediastudio 6.5 and you can cut frames out with it.

All else fails, try <edited - see rules -BJ_M>

[JamesB69]

Tmpg only lets you do it by time not by frame. It will only cut on an I frame. i want a frame accurate editor

[donpedro]

I am going to repeat this ....

Isn't that characteristic of mpeg that you can't cut on frame ? Only I-frame ?

Does anybody know if it is possible to do cut of mpeg on frame ? I believe that not.

[JamesB69]

repeat it all you want. they exist it somehow reencodes the gop around the i frame. i just cant seem to find one that works. i dont really know of any but i know they exist

[donpedro]

Thanks. Now I learned something new.

[BJ_M]

vitec pro can cut on any frame , I B or P frame and re-encodes around it as mentioned ... m2 also can do this ..

[Peka]

BJ_M, when say "m2" can do this, are you talking about "M2-Edit Pro V5" from http://www.mediaware.com.au/products.html ??

Eval is available - I think it only lets you do very short clips.

[JamesB69]

Wow that is a lot of$$$ for a piece of software. Do people actually buy this stuff?

[dcsos]

Please Check out a less costly solution
CINAX's -I film edit, which edits MPEG-1 wonderfully,
even frame by frame..

[BJ_M]

BJ_M, when say "m2" can do this, are you talking about "M2-Edit Pro V5" from http://www.mediaware.com.au/products.html ??

Eval is available - I think it only lets you do very short clips.

yes -- though i think ver 4 was better than version 5 ..

wooble is another one (soemtimes it works and sometimes it doesnt)

mpegcarver v2 is another one ..

[narked]

I'm not sure about this cos' I've never tried, but in TMPG go to settings GOP structure, force picture type settings then in settings force the frames that u want edited to I frames, re-encode that part then delete them?

[BJ_M]

I'm not sure about this cos' I've never tried, but in TMPG go to settings GOP structure, force picture type settings then in settings force the frames that u want edited to I frames, re-encode that part then delete them?

if you have to re-encode to edit it - you might as well re-encode the whole thing in a editor anyway like ulead or vegas while editing ..

[narked]

the lines I was thinking along was that if TMPG jumps to I frames in the merge and cut tools in MPEG Tools, then if u take say 1 second of the movie out (starting at that I frame, ending on another) and have the MPEGS cut before and after that section, then force all the frames for that second to I frames, reprocess that one second, delete the specific frame u want then remerge the 3 resulting MPEGs (tell me shut up if u want I've never tried this, just a thought.... )

[JamesB69]

<edited - see rules, "very on the line" post>

[jwhitlow]

Take a quick read of this link:
http://tangentsoft.net/video/mpeg/edit.html

Here are some MPEG editors that claim to be frame accurate:
http://www.mpegav.tv/html/_carverstandard.html
http://www.vitecmm.com/public/home/products/vcm2mod.html?sess=1041475290
http://www.mediaware.com.au/M2-edit.html
http://www.ulead.com/vs/features.htm

[JamesB69]

Got an editor thta will do it finally *sigh*, but when i multiplex the new video with the old audio, and play it in windows media player and drag to a part of the movie it acts paused but the clock ticks then after a minute or so, it will start playing. usually this is instantaneous, but not any more. The closer you move the slider to the end of the movie, the longer it takes. Any suggestions? perhaps ill start a new thread.

[JamesB69]

i think i got it could the audio and video being different lengths cause this

[BJ_M]

windows media player i believe doesnt work correctly (as in the slider) with both VBR and broken time code material ... you cant do much about the VBR but you could fix the timecode .. but really its a better option to just use powerdvd or windvd instead

[JamesB69]

Its a VCD mpg file, CBR as VBR is not possible for VCD

[BJ_M]

sorry -- didnt notice it was a mpeg1 file ..

[donpedro]

So what is final solution ? I am looking into cutting/triming mpeg2 files that will not re-encode whole video (possibly only few frames around cut). Is it possible ?