The definative solution to our sync problems...

[KaiCherry]

Kai and Bile:

I have a few questions for you...

If so , could a "standard vcd" option be present as well? [1150 kbps mpeg-1 video, 224 kbps mp2 audio] for just me if nobody else?

Absolutely

(See? Told ya', B-)

Will you be releasing the source for this project?

Nope.

-K

[qshartle]

Im soo excited that someone(s) has finally fixed the sync issue.
Can you post a certain time you think the program will be done?
I really wanna start cranking out some DivX and SVCD's.




Qsharle


P.S.
Does this program also utilize Altivec for both DivX and SVCD?

[KaiCherry]

Can you post a certain time you think the program will be done?

Standard reply:
"When its ready."

Blame Bilestyle for any delays at this point

No really...we are working on it...diligently

The intial release will be in English and Japanese.

-K

[DVdudeman]

Kai & Bile...

You guys are burning the midnight oil on this one -- can I send over coffee & doughnuts?

I have been following the part of this discussion related to DVD-5 downsampling very closely (for myself, I prefer to rip to DVD for several reasons). I know that I'm not alone. In fact, many Mac users have likely given up doing this on the Mac because (apparently up until now) it has been a royal pain in the arse. If you can include this option in the gui, I think many Mac videophiles would be extremely thankful. I know I would.

I hear you on extensive CPU time. Perhaps improvements can be made shorten the lengthy downsampling process later on. Something is better than nothing for DVD.

I'm assuming that Jaguar will be required to run the new gui?


This is a lot of fun to watch guys.

DVDM 8)

[KaiCherry]

Kai & Bile...

You guys are burning the midnight oil on this one -- can I send over coffee & doughnuts?

Don't wink...nothin' like a lil Paypal to grease the wheels of industry, lol.

In fact, many Mac users have likely given up doing this on the Mac because (apparently up until now) it has been a royal pain in the arse. If you can include this option in the gui, I think many Mac videophiles would be extremely thankful. I know I would.

I don't blame them Its been a mess, a total wash. Hang on a bit longer...we are working as fast as real life will let us

Your DVD option is in, BTW. I keep telling B- that folks want Click n' Go, done right. I guess I was right

Personally, if the main feature will fit on a DVD-R, I just use dvdbackup from the unix DVD-Create project to pull dat Billy off the DVD and be done with it, myself. Builds a Version of the DVD with the Main feature, but also leaves the menus in intact.

I'm assuming that Jaguar will be required to run the new gui?


This is a lot of fun to watch guys.

DVDM 8)

With the exception of a couple of bumps, its been pretty fun to do. I hope it works as well out in the wild as it does in the labs.

So far, it hasn't dissappointed anyone (else) who has had the opportunity to use the core code.

-K

[rockinsage]

Hey Bilestyle and KaiCherry,

Check out this thread if you haven't seen it:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135370

SCB and I have both had major headaches (and never success) with converting X-Men. Think you can test this one?

::::rockinsage

[qshartle]

We*sniff* Need it


Can you put out a small basic gui that we can try?

I am in desperate need of it

Can you

pweeeeese?

[SCB]

Yeah guys, just whip up a GUI real quick. No biggie, right?

What's the rush qs, those movies due at Blockbuster soon?

[Flip Flop Frog]

What's the rush qs, those movies due at Blockbuster soon?

LOL .... Hehehe... that's funny as hell....

[qshartle]

NO!
I need to convert them for a friend
I said they be done 2 weeks ago

[bilestyle]

well for an update, coding of the GUI is underway (but not done yet so don't hold your breathe )

the divx process (as it has been for a little while) appears to be flawless, and the svcd/vcd/dvd process is getting further along as well.

just thought i'd give an update that the GUI was at LEAST started

more updates will come as they are available.

[wookstar]

Hey B & K,
You know what would be a great option to add to the new Gui?
A Deinterlacing feature. Many DVDs turn out absolutally terrible cause of interlacing. You get those horrible horizontle lines in high motion sections of video. Afropic was the only APP so far that has fixed this problem for me. So if you could add in a de-interlacing option like in afropic that would be awesome. I know I'm not alone on this problem as well, other people I'm sure would be equally gratefull.

[bilestyle]

actually the program is going to deinterlace automatically (same deinterlace feature used in afropic) so no worries - we are working tirelessly to get this app workin in a flawless fashion. The key word i stress again is, patience

[wookstar]

Good to hear
The way I look at it is the longer you guys work at it, the better the quality of the finished product.

[Macnewbie]

I'd just like to say that I appreciate what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work.

[rockinsage]

Bilestyle,

actually the program is going to deinterlace automatically (same deinterlace feature used in afropic)

That's cool, but what if we want the video to stay interlaced, for instance if the source is interlaced and the end product will only be viewed on TV (not on a computer monitor)?

:: rockinsage ::

[qshartle]

Cant..................Wait....................Much ...................Longer!

Need....................Synced.................Di. .........vX...........!

Must.................Have...................

The Preciouses...........Youve takes it aways from us. You dirty little forum

peoples. Youve taken the Preciouses! The Preciouses. OH! The Preciouses.

Must gets the Preciouses, Yes we must.




Qshartle
(and yes i am very anxious )

[KaiCherry]

so it seems...lol. Too much lotr, man.

That being noted...here is where we stand.

I think all the work on the engines is finally done. Its really nice.

We are putting together the gui and making changes to make sure its crystal clear, even if you are as dumb as a brick.

Here's an overview of converting a DVD to an SVCD:

1. Launch app.
2. Select DivX or VCD/SVCD/DVD (In this case, SVCD)
3. Drag DVD icon from the Finder to the app window
4. Select "Standard SVCD"
5. Optionally, Select Subtitling, DVD Title to Convert and Audio Language
6. Click "Begin"; Select name of final output, save location, scratch disk

The software will then analyse the DVD and determine the proper framerate, sync audio and scaling options for you. It will then create a 1minute sample clip from somewhere before then end of the DVD and play it back with mplayer so that you can see *how it looks*; mplayer will most likely *not* play it in sync as its not optimized at all for osx's SDL output.

A copy of this test file will be saved to your home dir as testwhateveryoucalledit.mpg. The software will then commence conversion.

View the test clip in QT6 or vlc and note the fantastic quality and perfect sync. Your end result will be the same...an mpeg stream in sync from end to end, looking as good as it possibly can.

Use whatever tools you want to split, burn, etc.

Now, if you are doing DVD-9 to DVD-R the process is the same, *but* there are some really nice touches. The audio will be AC3, in the format it was in on the DVD...2 channel or 5+1. The bitrate therefore will be nice and high for the best possible quality we can get, be cause we have more room for video.

You'll need vlc to view this test clip; no ac3 in QT6 and mplayer is toooo slow for this quality, even on 800+ Mhz G4s.

Even better, your *aspect ratio* will be preserved! If you have a WideScreen TV, you will appreciate the value of this. Full anamorphic scaling is preserved if its present.

VCD and Divx are just as easy and in sync.

There you have it. Thats what we have.

We are testing, testing testing this. I've put a lot of hours into it and I want it to be right

Oh yeah...No silly term windows popping up either...and progress updates in the GUI. Forgot about that part.

We *may* actually have this out in the wild this weekend. BUT...there is ONE POTENTIAL PROBLEM.

There is some decss-ish code invovled. We need to figure out this piece of the distribution puzzle

-K

[rockinsage]

KaiCherry,

A few questions:

1 - Will we be able to not deinterlace the source video (particularly for SVCD)

2 - Will be be able to select a non-standard (or X)SVCD? For instance in cases where selecting standard SVCD would produce a file that would span 3 CD's, where in actuality I'd want it to span 2 CD's. Will this be possible?

Thanks ::
:: rockinsage

[tazmania]

KaiCherry, Bilestyle,
You are doing the mac community a great service in developing this software, and I think your "keep it simple" approach is exactly what is needed- if people want every option under the sun there are ways thay can go about it using lots of different software, (although most of the request for additions in this thread have been very good additions to your software).

Do you have any sort of rough speed benchmarks from start to finish & and what machines - just out of interest really


Taz

[jchansen]

Is it possible to keep the DeCSS-like code separate as a binary that must be placed with the app, and then you won't have to distribute it?

[KaiCherry]

KaiCherry,

A few questions:

1 - Will we be able to not deinterlace the source video (particularly for SVCD)

No.

2 - Will be be able to select a non-standard (or X)SVCD? For instance in cases where selecting standard SVCD would produce a file that would span 3 CD's, where in actuality I'd want it to span 2 CD's. Will this be possible?

Yes. There is a "user" bitrate option for each encoding style. I have not tested it, nor do I think anyone else has either, lol.

It is there, however. I'll test it later today.

-K

[KaiCherry]

Is it possible to keep the DeCSS-like code separate as a binary that must be placed with the app, and then you won't have to distribute it?

Yeaaaahhh...see, that would be great, 'cept for one thing: as of today, as far as I know, it doesn't exist anywhere else, in quite this configuration.

I think I have it worked out tho.

-K

[jbcandkc]

KaiCherry & Bilestyle:

Can you give us an approx. time to do, for example, a 90 min movie?

Thanks for all your hard work on this one!

jbcandkc

[KaiCherry]

divx...like 6 hours
DVD...forever
VCD et al...not sure

Really, I haven't been timing it, been too busy squashing little bugs and adding more intellegence.

God...DVD's liiieeee their silver little asses off

I Know everyone is all concerned with the mpeg1/2 stuff, but in all honesty I'm a HiBitRate DiVX man, myself. I have a standalone DivX player so I don't really fool with SVCDs anymore.

-K

[qshartle]

YOU have a standalaone DivX player!!

Can you give me the plans?!

I am dying to have one, i have many anime episodes ive downloaded that I want to play on my tv.

Hope you finish the program soon!


I am very gratefull


Qshartle

[KaiCherry]

http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de

Changed my life. For ~$200, it plays whatever I throw at it...no hours and hours of conversion, etc.

Works great for me, is updated regularly. I know personally 5 *mac* folks that bought when they say what it did, connected to my TV, in highdef

-K

[qshartle]

Kai,

Where do i download it?
I see no links under the downloads section?

I can finally play my divx on my friends xbox(i have a gamecube)
Yay


Please Help


Q

[Flip Flop Frog]

Preripped VOB files?

Can we feed it these files?

I've got a few movies kicking around on my HDD that are in VOB format that I've been tinkering with for ages in hopes to make SVCDs out of them.

Is it possible to feed this software package a VOB file rather than the actual DVD?

Thanks,

Flip

[bilestyle]

well not to be totally rude, but kai already answered this question, the dvd and ONLY the dvd can be fed into this program, no vobs, no mpeg, no movs, nothing but dvd. so if there are troublesome vobs gathering dust on your hard drive, sorry this isnt the program for u.

the progress has come quite far.. user vcd/svcd/dvd rates are workin well now so things are going very well that overall department. I'll continue to thoroughly test it till we decide it's ready for release.