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  1. Lol..the Simpson's one was fun...but a good lesson in why other methodologies tend to fail, eh B?

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  2. So you guys mean to tell me I can finally ditch that damn PC!?

    I've had lots of aggravating and painful attempts at creating a very simple SVCD from one of my own DVDs.

    Now, I've tried MMT, and Quicktime, and FFMpegX, and all sorts of other things. I've demuxed, remuxed, encoded, reauthored, and still no success... I must have tried over 10 different tutorials, many of which they claim to make perfect SVCDs. It's very annoying since I really do love every other aspect of my Mac, except the fact that I can't successfully make an SVCD.

    I like FFMpegX just because it is so easy to use. I feed it a VOB file, select the VOB to SVCD preset, tell it the frame rate, calculate the compression, and pretty much hit ENCODE. In about 2 - 3 hour later I've got the whole thing encoded. But as you guessed, the sync is off.

    Now if I take that same VOB file over to my friends PC, DVD2AVI it to get a D2V file and a WAV file, drop that into TMPEGEnc, set my source range properly, tell it the ratio of the movie, and hit start, about 12 hours later I have a perfectly synched movie... There was only once where it was just a smidgen off... and it wasn't really enough to bother me. And I must have done 15 SVCD or more with the PC without fail...

    I still haven't yet got a working SVCD on my Mac.

    Now please forgive me if I'm skeptical... and hesitant to believe it... But I would like to see this wild thing you've got going here.... I'm sure a whole lot of other folks would to.

    So, how long are we look at until we can get our grubby little hands on this thing?



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  3. Hmm...the magical solution seems to be svcd/divx oriented. Does this mean it won't produce VCD's that are in sync? I tried ffmpeg yesterday for the heck of it to try and turn a divx file into a vcd file and while the qulity was good the audio was off by what appeared to be hours So what I did was take the muxed file that ffmpeg produced and extracted the audio. I then used vpc to extract the audio to a wave file from the original divx file and then muxed them back together using TMPGEnc and the movie was perfectly in sync. Don't the Mac methods sync audio to video by matching up frames? Th eproblem doesn't seem to be getting VCD video with a Mac as long as you don't mind silent movies

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    Originally Posted by Flip Flop Frog


    So you guys mean to tell me I can finally ditch that damn PC!?
    yes This method is "new" but VERY promising, even though I had sync issues squashed via other processes (mostly involving use of QT in SOME way) I believe this one will prove to be superior.

    Originally Posted by Flip Flop Frog

    Now, I've tried MMT, and Quicktime, and FFMpegX, and all sorts of other things. I've demuxed, remuxed, encoded, reauthored, and still no success... I must have tried over 10 different tutorials, many of which they claim to make perfect SVCDs. It's very annoying since I really do love every other aspect of my Mac, except the fact that I can't successfully make an SVCD.
    well a problem with ALOT of those guides is the fact that they function on the idea that if it worked with ONE problematic dvd that it will work with all, and unfortunately a lot of the people writing tutorials didnt take time to research the problem at hand and thought it was solved since it worked once or a few times. I can vouch for many of the processes that i have outlined on my page, but unfortunately i've been too busy to update it so its kind of dated.

    Originally Posted by Flip Flop Frog

    I like FFMpegX just because it is so easy to use. I feed it a VOB file, select the VOB to SVCD preset, tell it the frame rate, calculate the compression, and pretty much hit ENCODE. In about 2 - 3 hour later I've got the whole thing encoded. But as you guessed, the sync is off.
    well keep in the mindset of ease of use because that is one of our top priorities. - we are also testing the process thouroughly to make sure that its not just a one/few hit wonder.


    Originally Posted by Flip Flop Frog

    Now if I take that same VOB file over to my friends PC, DVD2AVI it to get a D2V file and a WAV file, drop that into TMPEGEnc, set my source range properly, tell it the ratio of the movie, and hit start, about 12 hours later I have a perfectly synched movie... There was only once where it was just a smidgen off... and it wasn't really enough to bother me. And I must have done 15 SVCD or more with the PC without fail...
    there is a reason for that, and HOPEFULLY soon you will find out why


    Originally Posted by Flip Flop Frog
    Now please forgive me if I'm skeptical... and hesitant to believe it... But I would like to see this wild thing you've got going here.... I'm sure a whole lot of other folks would to.

    So, how long are we look at until we can get our grubby little hands on this thing?
    i understand the skepticism and all i can tell you is that with the tools we have been presented on the mac there is one way they have meant to be used, and we haven't been usin em right... till now (we hope ).

    in regards to the quote on how long, i can't tell you that because i honestly don't know. But what i CAN tell you, is our top priorities are ease of use, and a process that WORKS, so since this is something that we are just starting to test, it may take some extensive testing before we get it down pat- thats all i can say for now , other than... patience.
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    Originally Posted by pmcd
    I tried ffmpeg yesterday for the heck of it to try and turn a divx file into a vcd file and while the qulity was good the audio was off by what appeared to be hours
    philip
    To go from divx to vcd, it would be easier to use Toast's Quicktime -> VCD conversion.

    To Bile and Kai: Thanks for all the hard work. This is something that's been sorely needed by Mac video junkies the world over!
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    When is it going to be posted?
    So what if ur testin dvd's, why cant we try it ourselves, then post our results?




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    Originally Posted by KaiCherry
    Now, it would really be super-nice if I could back up a DVD's main title on my Mac, with the menus and everything, with out downsampling, since on over 90% of the dvd's out there the Main feature is only 4GB anyway...

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    I've found that by ripping DVDs' VIDEO_TS folder to HD w/ DVD Backup, and replacing the extra .vob files from the bonus features with dummy files with the same name, I can then burn to DVD and keep original menus, fomatting etc. The problem is if the dummy files aren't valid vob files, some ripping software might get confused by that DVD, but players will have no problem. Since by that time the DVD is unencrypted, it can be ripped by simply copying the files to HD, and burning to a new DVD-R (or doing DVD-DVD copy if you have 2 dvd drives).
    On a side note, I've been going through hell in the past five days trying to rip Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend to either DVD-5 or divx. Either way, I come out with a short video track. The VOB plays perfectly with VLC, but if I transcode to divx, or just demux the VOB and import the m2v into DVD Studio Pro, the video comes up short (about 80% of total length, like about 24/29.97 of the audio track's length, you think it could be lying to me about the video framerate?). It still doesn't match up when I add the video track to the audio track (of the divx rips) scaled in QT. If your solution can overcome the Overfiend, then it will truly rule!
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    This sounds great!! And thanks for time and effort you guys put into it

    One question, does this apply to DVD -> VCD as well? Keep us posted!
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    Since u probly arent goin to post the directions, i have a dvd thatll be a pain in the ass.
    Try:
    Cowboy Bebop Session 1
    Star Wars Episode 2
    Hellsing : Impure Souls


    These DVD's have put me through hell.
    Please help.


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    Well, I managed to split Urotsukidoji onto 2 dvd-r disks by extracting each of the 2 chapters separately as m2v and ac3 streams, and then mastering two new dvds with DVD Studio Pro. So, this movie is no longer a problem for me; however I am unable to make a divx rip of the original disk. It seems there were a few warning screens with special timing scripts at the begining of the main video track that threw off the timing when I tried to rip the entire track. Extracting just the main chapters of the movie w/o the initial warning screen fixed the timing issue. I used DVD Extractor 0.9b for OS 9 to rip the streams.
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  11. Ok, Ok...lol

    Its really simple, actually, to do this with divx. That's my bag, really. Bilestyle is working on the SVCD end of things.

    As for our "tool", its more of a "process" that we want to GUI-fy. As Bilestyle pointed out, we want to make it as much like DVD2AVI/SVCD as possible, without all of the switches to flip.

    It is largely based on the properties of the .avi container, and how mplayer works with it.

    As Bilestyle also pointed out, the problem has never really been the tools (well, except for maybe ffmpeg [no not major's GUI...that is a Godsend]) but the way they have been used.

    We could post, I suppose, some sort of guide that would allow one to do get perfect rips to DivX, as it only entails one piece of software.

    The SVCD's on the other hand are a bit more...involved on the backend.

    What I am charged with is scripting the process in such a way that it does the thinking for you.

    I've actually walked I think 2 or 3 people from here thru it already, so there is still more independent confirmation that it works, and I expect others to post results soon. its not that big of a secret

    The issue is, however, *support* because its *all* term based at this point. I expect by the end of the week I will have the logic worked out within the shell that will allow me to tell a script what dvd to rip, and walk away, knowing that when it emails me (I'm sick this way ;D) that its done, its done right...every single time.

    For the last 1.5 weeks, we've been getting the logic correct, correcting errors and weighing options, all the while analysing out dvd collects, as well as our friends, lol.

    Like I said, the divx stuff is a done deal. Since svcd (or vcd or even cvd..it doesn't really matter) involves more steps, we need to test it more.

    Then we can gui-fy it in such a way that it literally works itself.

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  12. is this gonna solve sync problems from dvd9 to dvd5 as well? i'm referring to the problem with qt exporting to m2v with large files.
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    another notorious sync bites the dust with MINIMAL effort .. princess bride done and done-- any others? all the others mentioned on this thread are not dvd's i own so i cant run tests on them.. for now since i dont see anything else to test that i own im going to try ninja scroll with japanese audio and english subs (cuz i can i guess )
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    just to make some things clear if they aren't for what is to come--

    1. yes subtitles DO work (so say u want anime with jap audio and english subs, - its do-able) in divx (easiest) svcd, vcd or even just downsampled dvd.

    2. this process does NOT involve quicktime, so anymore questions even remotely aimed towards or involving quicktime, the likely answer is no.

    3. even though this isnt a frequently asked question, ill throw it out as a advanced warning, if you own a superdrive the ripping process involved WILL be HORRIBLY slow, even on a fast speed computer- i just thought i'd offer that out as an advanced notice, (i.e. if you notice slow ripping speed with osex, it will be even slower now)
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    It's good to see that our prayers might finally be answered.
    Much thanks go out to Kai cherry, bilestyle, Major and others that have been trying their best to make up for the mac's video editing short comings.
    I've tryed numerous methods of converting DVD to SVCD, and while one method might work for one movie, on another you could get a 10 second sync delay. I pretty much have given up on the SVCDs now since I got a Pioneer 105 DVD Burner. So my question is Will the new GUI based APP be able to do the downsampling of DVD9 to DVD5??
    I tried the quicktime method, but it went out of sync.
    If this feature was present in the new APP that would be great!! I wouldn't even care about the slow ripping time. Please post a link to the new program ASAP when finished.

    KaiCherry or Bilestyle,
    Could either of you possible send me an email or post directions for this process? I would love to do some testing on my own, at least until you get the Gui finished. If it's not to much trouble email me at:

    bootlegcrazy@aol.com

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  16. Originally Posted by WiseWeasel
    To go from divx to vcd, it would be easier to use Toast's Quicktime -> VCD conversion.
    This is true and I have done this but it doesn't always work. Sometimes Quicktime won't recognize that there is a video component when you go to export. I have no idea why but it has happened a lot.

    In any case this off-beat video stuff on the Mac has been truly hit and miss. Let's hope this will end soon...

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    Ninja Scroll JAP audio english subtitles SVCD test done, and what a surprise, perfect sync again its lookin very good.
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    For the divX setting, does it use DivX 5 or 6?




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    Originally Posted by qshartle
    For the divX setting, does it use DivX 5 or 6?
    I assume you meant Divx 4 or 5. All it reports is MPEG4 [.AVI] either ffmpeg or mencoder. This is usually based on OpenDivx 4.
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  20. this sounds great guys! can't wait to see it for myself!
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  21. Ok B & K, I got one for ya...

    I've encountered the first DVD that I haven't been able to successfully backup with any method or software I've tried in the past. I tried backing up my copy of The X-Men (the remake from a few years ago) with AfroPic, MediaPipe, MMT, and the good ol' QT method, but I cannot get sync. If you have this DVD, give it a whirl...

    Forgot to mention -- I'm trying to backup as XSVCD
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  22. Kudos (in advance) to kai, bile, major & company. Your efforts are obviously appreciated, and we all anxiously await the new gui.

    I have been working (yet again) on backing up The Matrix (NTSC) to DVD-5. I have obtained my best results yet, using the old QT tools & procedure formerly championed by Bile. The only problem that remains is the small "GOP" synch related issue that occurs as a result of joining the two transcoded .m2v's using mpgtx (I believe mpgtx creates 15 frames of blackness at the join location).

    This is a minor synch issue -- with it's root cause tied to the black 720x404 pic file imported into QT (which, of course, allows for MPEG-2 encoding). Nevertheless, it throws off the audio on the last 20 min. of the movie (Mr. Anderson's triumph over Bill Gates and his brothers) by about 15 frames. It also resets the timecode for the second .m2v to ZERO (preventing the use of chapter markers in DVDSP).

    The Matrix has proven to be a difficult DVD-5 backup for me. Have you tried using the new procedure to tackle this movie yet?

    Bile -- I know you downsample NTSC DVD-9 to DVD-5 from time to time. I'm somewhat confused by the comments in this thread pertaining specifically to this subject. Will the new procedure give us solutions to these types of headaches too? Please send along some good news...

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    okay.. well technnically using this process we could most certainly downsample dvd without the sync issues as well... (with this process it is 100% solved no question in any way shape or form at this point)

    only problem really, is speed. Unfortunately the software necessary for all this to work is not as fast as it could be, so if your willing to be patient (especially for those of you that only have g3s, or older slow g4s) this process could very well downsample a dvd as well with 0 sync issues. Two notrious dvds didnt even give the slightest bit of fuss (princess bride and minority report) not to mention hard to sync anime (ninja scroll and simpsons eps) were no match as well . And i believe kai has done successful attempts with the matrix as well.
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  24. Yeah...I did the matrix

    Here is where we are:

    The unix layer of the dvd2avi engine is done. "Unix Layer?" you say?

    Ya. I've written software that runs in the cli that takes care of what needs to be done to insure proper syncing and feeds the encoder.

    Bilestyle will be sending me the logic for VCD/SVCD/XVCD today sometime to be worked on.

    I'll be codin' it all up, adding some (lol) error checking, compiling and *testing* some more (because there is nothing more frustrating than untested software) and then comes the pretty wrapper.

    We've decided (after much back and forth...heheh..Bilestyle is a FUNNY guy) to go more in the direction of a DivXray type of app (well, this works properly) moreso than AfroPic or ffmegX's style and here is why:

    We've tested this to death, and while the "tweakers" amongst you might want to flip this and click that, I think the point of it all is to have something that you *know* will give fantastic quality and be in sync 99.99% of the time.

    Literally, this is what I do to make a DivX rip:

    1. Put in dvd
    2. Run dvdivxer (yes...I know the name is uninspired)
    3. Choose NearDVD Quality(MPEG4/AC3)
    4. Impress DixV haters like BileStyle with the results
    5. Laugh at how simple it has become.

    Oh...I forgot a step: Give in to Bilestyle and add subtitle and dvd title selection options

    On my TiBook800, the whole thing takes about 5 hours on average. No its not 2-Pass (maybe next version) due to diminishing returns. Repeated (you would not believe) testing has pretty much shown (me) that at the proper bitrate it makes no difference unless you are doing really low bitrate stuff.
    The encoder authors know this as well; after a certain point its mental masterbation and placebo

    And before you ask, no, I'm sorry..I don't think I'll be releasing the cli tool before the gui (even tho it is the most stupid simple cli tool I could write to do this) because in all honesty, I'm not confident that someone won't just slap something around it and say it was their own

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  25. Hey K & B,

    Will we be able to control where the split occurs if we use your new tool to create DVD-->SVCD onto 2 CD's?

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  26. I don't know...

    Shouldn't this occur at the logical size of a disk?

    I think BileStyle is using some other tool to do this.

    Again...

    This is *not* intended, or being designed for, folks that want to get all into every aspect of doing this; if that's where you are you can probably use the terminal.

    This is a "Point and Shoot, Click and Go" solution. Maybe in the next version. I personally don't really care about all of that; all I want to do, and have targeted for, is put a DVD in the drive, select it and make a divx or set of set of (SX)VCDs that are in sync and look great.

    If you want "more" than that (but what more is there? A million options that don't work aren't worth much IMHO, ya' know) then this is probably not going to blow your skirt up.

    Like I said, maybe next version. "Feature creep" is something I'm not too keen on. I like simple tools that "just work"...must be the Mac Guy in me

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  27. KaiCherry,

    I agree with where you're coming from. The reason I asked is that it's not very elegant when the split occurs in the middle of a sentence of dialog or something like that. I always like to put the split between scenes, or at some other logical point.

    For those who may want to do something like this, will it be possible to use your tool from the terminal?
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    KaiCherry,
    For those who may want to do something like this, will it be possible to use your tool from the terminal?
    I suppose. But it doesn't offer that feature anyway, and in all honesty, I'm looking into ways to *avoid* this

    You know as well as I do that someone is gonna purloin and re-wrap if they possibly can.

    Thanks for the reminder. Let take care of that right now

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  29. About DVD Downsampling:

    I believe we decided last night/this morning (it all runs together, man) to allow for bitrate changes to the mpeg2 output, so I suppose one could in fact do this.

    It would probably make more sense to just have a "Downsample for DVD-R (MPEG2/AC-3) option to simplify the world, since you can do like 6000 and fit on to a DVD-R easy with AC3.

    Perhaps. Bilestyle sleeps reeealy late, so we'll see

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  30. Kai and Bile:

    I have a few questions for you...

    I am not so much into SVCD encoding as i am standard VCD. This is due to the fact that i shelled out damn near $600 for a high end player that does NOT play SVCDs. Will this implement mpeg2enc for the SVCD conversion? If so , could a "standard vcd" option be present as well? [1150 kbps mpeg-1 video, 224 kbps mp2 audio] for just me if nobody else? If this will not implement mpeg2enc for SVCD, what component will it be using and is standard VCD an option?

    Will you be releasing the source for this project?
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