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yea -- not very much distrubuted at this point as mentioned (the KISS dvd/divx player) but they just upgraded thier firmware (on the 450) (they are upgradable) ...and i re-print thier FAQ
here - the 500 is supposed to get a major firmware update in about 3-4 weeks
KiSS DVD Player DP-450 FAQ
Q: What video codecs are supported by KiSS DP-450 ?
A: All video codecs that comply with the specifications of ISO-MPEG4 Advanced, Simple Profile, are supported by the DP-450. DivX 4.x and 5.x comply with this standard, exept DivX 5.02 features- GMC (Global Motion Compensation) and QP (Quarter Pexel) which are Advanced, Advanced Profile features.
Xvid 2.10 and Sigma's RPM4(RealMagic MPEG4) also complies with the supported standard.
Q: like to know if your DVD player DP 450 is region free and/or macrovision free ?
A: No, most certainly not. KiSS DVD-Players are not without Macrovision protection and are always region locked to a specific region. KiSS Technology A/S
Q: DP-450 is able to play DivX 4.x and 5.x, but what will happen when a new version of DivX is released? Is it possible to upgrade the software to support newer codecs ?
A: If a newer DivX codec is released, e.g. DivX 6.x, DP-450 will be able to play it if the codec is ISO-MPEG4 ; Advanced, Simple Profile compliant. A codec needs to be made from the principles and specifications of ISO-MPEG4 Advanced, Simple Profile to function properly on the DP-450.
Q: What recordable media are supported by KiSS DP-450 ?
A: CD-R (74 min + 80 min), CD-RW (74 min + 80 min), DVD-R , DVD-RW are supported by DP-450. This means that DVD+R and DVD+RW are not supported.
Q: Where can I get more detailed information about the player. I've already downloaded your PDF file, but it doesn't tell much ?
A: You will for now be able to get much more detailed information by reading this FAQ. You can also get extensive information by visiting http://www.kissdvd.com
Q: Does your player fully support SVCD movies (mainly subtitles)? What kind of subtitles does it supports in DivX files? Is it upgradable?
A: The initial release of DP-450 will not support any subtitles on either SVCD or DivX. This feature will most likely be implemented in a later software release for the player.
Q: The "Repeat Playback" function - will it allow a DVD, JPEG CD, etc. to repeatedly replay?
A: There are features on the DP-450 which enables Repeat mode on all of the above content.
Q: Is it possible to FF / FR (Fast Forward / Fast Reverse) through DivX films ?
A: No, but we have implemented a timesearch function, which allows you to jump to a specific place in the film.
Q: In JPEG mode can it show the pictures in full screen mode ?
A: Yes, it does that automatically and digital zoom function is also available with JPEG
Q: Does DP450 also support Mp3PRO?
A: No, MP3Pro is at this time not supported by DP-450.
Q: How do the discs have to be recorded for the player to play ?
A: All DivX and MP3 content should just be burned as a standard ISO9660 Data CD. (Closed Disc)
Q: Does DP-450 play DivX with MP3 audio?
A: Yes it does.
Q: Does DP-450 play media with multiple video / audio files ?
A: Yes it does. This also goes for multiple DivX files on DVD-R and DVD-RW. Remember not to mix different kinds of files though. Use only one type of file per disc.
Q: What dimensions does it play? like screens of 350 X 240, 720 X 640, etc ?
A: DP450 plays resolution up to PAL and NTSC standards upto 3 Mbit/s.
Q: Does DP-450 support MP3 with variable bitrate?
A: Yes, VBR MP3 is now supported.
Q: Which video outputs supports progressive scan ?
A: Component Scart (YpbPr) supports Progressive Scan in resolutions up NTSC standard.
Q: Is it possible to upgrade DP-450 software ?
A: Yes, software updates will be released on a regular basis on our website. Updates will contain latest Bug-fixes and possibly extra features.
Q: Does DP-450 have a built-in AC3 decoder ?
A: Yes, for AC3 to stereo downmix
Q: Does DP-450 support ID3 tags ?
A: Yes.
Q: How do I know what codec my films are encoded in.
A: Use the setup button to display the version of DivX the film has been encoded with.
Q: Is it possible to Fast Forward and Fast Reverse MP3 files ?
A: No, but it will be implemented in a later release.
Q: How do I make the update CD-R with newer firmware to update my DP-450 ?
A: You need burning software thats supports .ISO files. This could be Nero Burning ROM v5.5+ or Easy CD Creator v4.0+. When burning the image please make sure that the option "Disc at Once" is set and ensure that the disc is closed after writing. Please refer to your burning software manual on this matter. Follow the standard guidelines for making an .ISO recording. More help can be found on:
http://www.roxio.com
http://www.nero.com
Q: Which video file extensions are supported by the player ?
A: .MPG, .MPEG, .AVI, .VOB
Q: Which audio file extensions are supported by the player ?
A: .mp3 .ogg and soon .wav
WEBTECH DP500 FAQ
Q: What codecs are supported by WEBTECH DP500 ?
A: All codecs that comply with the specifications of ISO-MPEG4 – Advanced, Simple Profile, are supported by the DP500. DivX 4.x and 5.x comply with this standard, exept DivX 5.02 features- GMC (Global Motion Compensation) and QP (Quarter Pexel) which are Advanced, Advanced Profile features.
Xvid 2.10 and Sigma's RPM4 also complies with the supported standard.
Q: I’d like to know if your DVD player DP500 is region free and/or macrovision free ?
A: No, most certainly not. WEBTECH DVD-Players are not without Macrovision protection and are always region locked to a specific region.
Q: DP500 is able to play DivX 4.x and 5.x, but what will happen when a new version of DivX is released? Is it possible to upgrade the software to support newer codecs ?
A: If a newer DivX codec is released, e.g. DivX 6.x, DP500 will be able to play it if the codec is ISO-MPEG4 – Advanced, Simple Profile compliant. A codec needs to be made from the principles and specifications of ISO-MPEG4 Advanced, Simple Profile to function properly on the DP500.
Q: What recordable media’s are supported by DP500 ?
A: CD-R (74 min + 80 min), CD-RW (74 min + 80 min), DVD-R , DVD-RW are supported by DP500. This means that DVD+R and DVD+RW are not supported.
Q: Where can I get more detailed information about the player. I've already downloaded your PDF file, but it doesn't tell much ?
A: You will for now be able to get much more detailed information by reading this FAQ. You can also get extensive information by visiting http://www.kissdvd.com
Q: Does your player fully support SVCD movies (mainly subtitles)? What kind of subtitles does it supports in DivX files? Is it upgradable?
A: The initial release of DP500 will not support any subtitles on either SVCD or DivX. This feature will most likely be implemented in a later software release for the player.
Q: The "Repeat Playback" function - will it allow a DVD, JPEG CD, etc. to repeatedly replay?
A: There are features on the DP500 which enables Repeat mode on all of the above content.
Q: Is it possible to FF / FR (Fast Forward / Fast Reverse) through DivX films ?
A: No, but we have implemented a timesearch function, which allows you to jump to a specific place in the film.
Q: In JPEG mode can it show the pictures in full screen mode ?
A: Yes, it does that automatically and digital zoom function is also available with JPEG’s.
Q: Does DP500 also support Mp3PRO?
A: No, MP3Pro is at this time not supported by DP500.
Q: How do the discs have to be recorded for the player to play ?
A: All DivX and MP3 content should just be burned as a standard ISO9660 Data CD. (Closed Disc)
Q: Does DP500 play DivX with MP3 audio?
A: Yes it does.
Q: Does DP500 play media’s with multiple DivX files ?
A: Yes it does. This also goes for multiple DivX files on DVD-R and DVD-RW.
Q: What dimensions does it play? like screens of 350 X 240, 720 X 640, etc ?
A: DP500 plays resolution up to PAL and NTSC standards upto 3 Mbit/s.
Q: Does DP500 support MP3’s with variable bitrate?
A: Yes, VBR MP3 is now supported.
Q: Which video outputs supports progressive scan ?
A: Component Scart (YpbPr) supports Progressive Scan in resolutions up to NTSC standard.
Q: Is it possible to upgrade DP500 software ?
A: Yes, software updates will be released on a regular basis on our website. Updates will contain latest Bug-fixes and possibly extra features.
Q: Does DP500 have a built-in AC3 decoder ?
A: Yes, for AC3 to stereo downmix
Q: Does DP-500 support ID3 tags ?
A: Yes.
Q: How do I know what codec my films are encoded in.
A: Use the setup button to display the version of DivX the film has been encoded with.
Q: Is it possible to Fast Forward and Fast Reverse MP3 files ?
A: No, but it will be implemented in a later release.
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well hey everyone keeps saying budding out vcd and i think it can have good quality. maybe you dont know how to get vcds highest quality. the only way to get vcd to its highest picture quality at the same bitrate of 1394 is by ripping a dvd into divx format. once you have the dvd in divx format you open up tmpeg and you close the wizard. Then on the bottom it says load then go to the extras folder and select vcd ntsc. this will change the regular bitrate of vcd video of 1150 to 1246. and the audio of 224 to 128. I have been ripping my movies like this and they look pretty good. yes i know that the result would be much better in svcd and xvcd. But svcd is bad enough that sometimes you need 4 cds per movie and xsvcds is even worst because you will have to use higher bitrates than vcd inorder for it too be xsvcd which will cause you to use more cds. I would rather stick to 2 cds in vcd format and in good quality.Originally Posted by vitualisCecilio
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.Originally Posted by Cecilio_87
unbelievable !
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I think this is one of the most common misconceptions about SVCD. In order to even make a compliant SVCD on 4 cds your movie would have to be at least 2 hrs and 40 mins long and that's only with the completely impractical CBR encoding. If you used VBR, which you always should with SVCD, than your movie would need to be at least 3 hrs before that 4th disk were needed. There just aren't that many 3 hrs movies out there and for the ones that are, it would require 3 cds in VCD format so no matter how you look at it, a SVCD will at the most only be 1 extra disk compared to VCD. The vast majority of theatrically released movies will actually fit quite nicely on 2 cdrs in SVCD format.Originally Posted by Cecilio_87
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Cecilio_87: maybe YOU like VCD quality. Good for you
Converting to divx bevore converting to VCD is just not a good idea at all though. I have yet to see a movie that does look good on a CD unless it's really short anyhow, so the 2CD issue is nil. SVCD does look MUCH better, but of course, you have to use the right bitrates... -
Well i know all about bitrates the bitrate for a proper svcd is 2,520 wowOriginally Posted by crahakCecilio_87: maybe YOU like VCD quality. Good for you
Converting to divx bevore converting to VCD is just not a good idea at all though. I have yet to see a movie that does look good on a CD unless it's really short anyhow, so the 2CD issue is nil. SVCD does look MUCH better, but of course, you have to use the right bitrates...
but why would you say converting from divx to vcd isnt a good idea maybe its cause you have tried it and you got a sync problem well i made my own guide and i could fix this but with the divx files i make i have no problem converting to vcd. here is my guide
the first step to making a perfect conversion of a divx dvd rip to an mpeg-1 vcd format is
1) open up divfix and put strip index and rebuild index ok and that’s it.
2) Now open up tmpeg and close the wizard. Then where it says audio source put browse and put the movie there. Then you to go file and put out put to file wave.
3) Now once you have the audio its gonna be like 900 mb
4) Now open up virtual-Dub and drag the regular movie in there. Then put direct stream copy and in audio it says wave audio. Click on it and you enter the wave audio that you made with tmpeg. Then you put file save as then you name it.
5) Once you do that you will have the movie combined with the wave audio. The size should be like 1.5 gb or something. Then when you have the full thing you can split it with virtual dub or tmpeg. But I would do it with virtual dub cause I haven’t done it with tmpeg and it might come out wrong in tmpeg.
6) Ok now that the files are split with virtual dub you delete the whole one, the wave audio and if you want to the divx rip but if I were you I would burn that shit first.
7) Now that you have the split files make them to vcd with tmpeg like I showed you and that’s it.Cecilio -
Don't need your guides thanks. IF I needed one, I'd look at the guides section... Converting to VCD is easy, that's not what we're saying, we're saying VCD is not good, that's all.
Converting to DivX is NOT a good idea. Converting straight from the VOBs will always give better results for obvious reasons. No, no sync issues here, and we can all make guides. Before posting guides like that (if you want to be taken seriously) try not to convert to divx first.... DOH.
Also, I'd highly avoid "perfect conversion"...
I really feel good to have learned about perfect conversion to VCD now. After all, it wasn't that VCDs don't look good. -
i got lucky with my last rip, (i use DVDx at the moment) -- the output gives me 3 mpeg files, 789 MB, 789 MB and one of 31 MB.
That one of 31 MB was a part of the end of the titling (that part where the cast and other ones scroll over your screen) of the movie.
So i got just 2 SVCD.
I'm yet a newbie in SVCD. What are the exact rules for SVCD/VCD
like:
- VCD (cdr 700MB-80min) : MAX 80 min video?
- SVCD (cdr 700MB-80min) : MAX ??
[and i think the KISS DVD Player is good compatible, especially divx. damn, i just bought a Philips DVD player!§è#é]
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@ Cecilio_87: Yes, I am one of the decreasing few (I believe Sefy is still with me
) who thinks that you can get quite pleasing results with VCD. I certainly do most of my conversion to standard VCD. If done well, the quality is approx. the same as VHS. That still looks okay to me.
Obviously, there are people with more discerning eyes who like better quality and SVCD or one of the X-variants will be the obvious choices (or DVD!)
As for your method, I hope you realise that TMPGEnc template with the slightly higher video bitrate and the audio bitrate at 128 kbit/s actually makes a non-standard disc. You are not making a standard VCD -- but a marginally XVCD variant. IMHO, if you going to make an XVCD, you might as well do it with a little bit more impact... I'm still confused as to why TMPGEnc still ships with that misleading template.
Also, as people have mentioned many times before, conversion to DivX first is not a good idea. You are not the first person to have noted that they got "better results". The only reason for this is because you've lost some of the detail from the original video and hence the video is smoother.
If your eyes view this as higher quality, then you can achieve the same results with some simple video filters (indeed, try some of the filters included in TMPGEnc). Encoding to DivX first is at best inefficient.
@ crashbyte: for a standard VCD, you can fit just under 80 min of video (around 79min 45sec) onto a disc as a maximum without any overburning. If you do overburn, you typically get about 1-2 minutes extra depending on your drive and media. Remember, any additional stuff like menu screens and files reduce your disc capacity.
For standard SVCD, you will have to recall that SVCD can use variable bitrate or VBR encoding. At the maximum possible bitrate, you get just under 40 min of video onto an 80min/700MB disc per disc. However, since there is no "minimum" bitrate as such, you can fit much more video on the disc if you lower the average bitrate.
There "may" (I cannot be sure, if you want to know definitely, contact hvr or buy the SVCD specs) be a maximum video limit of 100 minutes (related to timecode referencing in the PBC or something) but few players actually care. In any case, the average bitrate for 100 min of video as compliant SVCD MPEG will be much too low for acceptable video quality.
Realistically, you can probably get about 50-60 minutes of video onto a SVCD with reasonable quality -- probably a bit more if you compromise.
Regards.Michael Tam
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The Old One
- Aug 2000
- Hellas (Greece), E.U.
xCVD and xSVCD (352X288 mpeg 2 VBR average 1400) are the best solutions for anything except DVD IMO.
xCVD looks like a pro SVHS and xSVCD looks like a VHS tape. For Pal this is not bad, but for NTSC it might be.
DiVX, XviD and mpeg 4 overall are good archive solutions. They are very popular today, expecially in US, probably because you have fast internet there. The quality is OK. It looks better visualy most SVCD/CVDs, if you watch them from your PC monitor or your progressive HDTV.
On a typical interlace PAL TV, they look exactly like a CVD with an average of 2300kb/s, 3 pass VBR with CCE.
The way I see it, If I was in US, had a HTPC and had a HDTV, I should use DiVX for now. But I live in Europe, and with PAL, I don't have a TV screen to see the quality difference between a good xCVD and a good mpeg 4
In the matter of fact, with PAL it is really hard to see the difference between a VCD and a SVCD/CVD. You understand a blurness only, because of the interlace nature of TV. If you encode to xSVCD (like sefy's SxVCD), you need more of the average screen to understand the difference with CVD/SVCD! That explains why some people don't see the difference. Myself I can't see the difference from a VHS source for example!
But to the subject:
It is not the only time the last 7 years which a PC based format used for arciving material from home video enthusiasts. Once upon a time, Mjpeg was the king of the castle. With compressed audio, a 1/2 D1 resolution and quality about 16 - 17, you can fit an hour or so on a 650MB CD. The quality is better IMO any CVD/SVCD I made. you can use those files the same way you use mpeg 4.
But I forget, it is not tredy anymore...
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"DiVX, XviD and mpeg 4 overall are good archive solutions. They are very popular today, expecially in US, probably because you have fast internet there. The quality is OK. It looks better visualy most SVCD/CVDs, if you watch them from your PC monitor or your progressive HDTV. "
This i dont understand at all.. Imo all formats(divx/xvid, svcd, vcd) looks better on my paltv than on my monitor. Mpeg stuff takes most advantage of this due to the hardware..but even xvid/divx gets better, what could be percived as alittle blurry on the pc becomes sharp an vibrant on tv and most artifacts dissaper.
Ofcourse an progressive dvd player and an hd tv is ultimate, but im not sure neither svcd nor an normal divx would benefit from it..an interlaced pal tv and dvd/propper tvout is probably the best solution for these type of files. hd/monitor tv reveals to much imo.
"with PAL it is really hard to see the difference between a VCD and a SVCD/CVD. "
Huh?! The diffrence on my 32inch is huge..What type of tv do you have? Its like saying you cant tell a vhs and an dvd apart due the low tv standard..i mean come on.. -
Vitualis:
As for your method, I hope you realise that TMPGEnc template with the slightly higher video bitrate and the audio bitrate at 128 kbit/s actually makes a non-standard disc. You are not making a standard VCD -- but a marginally XVCD variant. IMHO, if you going to make an XVCD, you might as well do it with a little bit more impact... I'm still confused as to why TMPGEnc still ships with that misleading template.
Regards.[/quote] well i have a comment about the not standard part this is because while doing this in Tmpeg you have to go to where it says system and then it says Mpeg 1 Video Cd and you cant select anything so on the left side where it says Stream type click unlock and then change it to Mpeg-1 Video Cd(Non-Standard) then when you do this you will be able to burn it as a vcd.
And i dont know about converting to vcd from the vob files because the tmpeg version i have doesnt accept vobs and i have DVDx and when you make a vcd from a vob there they come out lousy. but if you can tell me how to get a very high conversion from a vob to a vcd then tell me plz.Cecilio -
The Old One
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- Hellas (Greece), E.U.
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@ donnie.s
I own a philips 36'' pixel plus TV. (that means 800 vertical lines!)
I think you didn't fully understand what I posted: From analogue sources, like VHS/SVHS, it is hard to see the difference between a VCD and SVCD/CVD. You can see some difference if your source comes from DVD.
Did you ever convert from VHS? Or you simply "back up" DVDs?
Test a bit and you gonna see that there is not a huge difference if the source is VHS! Of course this is my opinion!
That is not the same with NTSC. I recently worked with NTSC VHS and I learn a lot of things about it. With NTSC VHS there is a noticable difference between VCD and SVCD/CVD. But with PAL VHS there is a noticable difference between SVCD and VCD only on big (>25'') screens. Scart's RGB output and S-Video helps even more for this.
Of course, that conclusion of mine is based to the fact that I am able to create really great VCDs/xSVCDs/CVDs now. My first xSVCDs/VCDs was really bad compared to what I can do today (with the same hardware). As I posted elsewhere in this forum, I spent many time testing and testing all over again. It is my hobby
A question: Since you watch your mpeg 4 material from TV, then I supposed your files are interlaced. Because if they are progressive, on an Interlace screen gonna look a kind of blurry compared SVCD/CVD/DVD/xSVCD.
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Oh you where talking about converting from vhs. Im so sorry, i guess i got caught by the selective reading bug
.. again sorry 
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All my mpeg4 stuff is non interlaced..the tv out interlaces it, it looks great though imo. Strangely enough alot sharper in general than on my monitor and more vibrant, yet it takes away most artifacts, really cool imo. -
I'm not too sure what you mean, but this template definitely is off-spec. The muxing part doesn't really need to be changed as the combined AV bitrate is still the same as a standard VCD. However, standard VCD dictates that the video is 1150 and audio is 224.Originally Posted by Cecilio_87
Try some of the DVD ripping guides at http://www.doom9.org Your goal (if you are using TMPGEnc) to to frameserve the original VOB files to TMPGEnc.And i dont know about converting to vcd from the vob files because the tmpeg version i have doesnt accept vobs and i have DVDx and when you make a vcd from a vob there they come out lousy. but if you can tell me how to get a very high conversion from a vob to a vcd then tell me plz.
Regards.Michael Tam
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I have a Stuttering SVCD! I backed up a DVD to VCD, using smartripper, DVDx and nero 5.5 with no problems. As a VCD, it stretched into 3 CDs so I thought I might as well do an SVCD on 4 CDs. I also reduced the audio bitrate to 112 for smaller file size. The burned disk however, plays fine on my PC but pauses briefly every 5 seconds or so in my DVD player. Other SVCDs I have made worked fine, but I cant remember what was different. Any ideas whats up?
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The choice is where I want to view the movie.
On my computer screen: DivX
On my TV: XVCD
Even if I find the picture quality better on the computer screen, I don't have my fav sofa in front of it, so my over all viewing experience is better with VCD. If I had a player that would play my DivX movies now and in the forseeable future (the life span of the player) on my TV with the same ease as it is to pop in a VCD, I'd rather use DivX, but as I don't own such a device, and I doubt there exists one (I really doubt that Kiss can play any DivX - I'm pretty sure there will be some reencoding required if I didn't encode it myself according to the Kiss specs) I'll stick with XVCD for a while.
If I really, really want a great experience - WTF - I go out and buy the damned DVD (or buy a DVD writer), which will kick any other video formats ass on my player/TV.
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sorry folks. I was off topic. I'll leave you to carry on discussing the relative merits of different ripping formats and have posted on the "playback" forum instead!
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You don't have to buy DVD writer, and yes, the KISS player stinks. How can always use a homemade divx player/htpc if you want too, it's not everyone's solution, but for some it can be. A DVD burner here with say, 100 good quality blanks here in canada would set me back quite a lot. Playing divx costs me almost nothing. Building my player/htpc costs me like 125$, and it will do a lot more than that KISS player. But if you can live with VCD quality, by all meansOriginally Posted by mats.hogberg (I don't mind SVCDs though)
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I don't create my own videos, but I download DivX, VCD, and SVCD from newsgroups.
I love DivX vids and have tons of them on CD (Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Stargate SG-1), but if I have a choice of versions to download, I will grab SVCD every time. If only VCD and DivX are available, I download them both and keep the one that looks best. I can always use TmpgEnc to convert DivX to VCD later if the DivX file looks better/ has higher resolution.
Why do I choose SVCD? Because SVCD looks excellent, and it will play in my standalone JVC. If I want to play DivX on my TV, I have to hook up my laptop and there is no remote control. My computer room is on the opposite end of the house from my television (living room), so even if I invest in a videocard with TV out for my desktop machine, I still have to get the signal from one end of the house to the other (another investment - and STILL no remote control). VCD/SVCD is just simpler to get onto my TV.
I have both the Spiderman DVD and an SVCD DVD Rip. I can't tell the difference between the two visually. I assume the DVD would have audio superiority if I had a 5.1 surround system to listen to
My wife downloads Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes in VCD and SVCD format (Cable & Satellite caps), but the Buffy newsgroup prohibits posting of episodes that are already out on DVD. So she bought the Season 2 Box set. I walked in on her playing a season 2 episode on the TV and commented that that episode must be in VCD format. After all the beautiful SVCD Satellite caps I've seen...her store bought DVD episodes looked to be of poorer quality.
That said, I do intend to build a small PC one day (probably one of the mini Shuttles) that can stay on my entertainment center and be used to play ALL formats on my TV. IBM has a wireless keyboard/mouse combo that looks pretty good. Still not a remote control, but at least I could control the thing from my couch
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Well, VCD conversions from downloaded divx are only worse, VCD being VHS'ish at best.
If you really intend to build a machine to play it all, have a look at my site http://divx.reallybites.com
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"Well, VCD conversions from downloaded divx are only worse, VCD being VHS'ish at best."
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Of course, I think VHS looks pretty good at SP speed. I personally think that VCD's look pretty good if they are created from a good quality source. SVCD looks better of course, but I have lots of VCD's that I think look great.
Cartoons can look excellent in VCD format. I have the entire first season of Justice League in VCD format (captured from satellite), and they look incredible. The guy who made/posted them even made animated intro screens with episode clips where you can choose which episode to play with the remote.
They look so damn good that a friend of mine had me copy the set - he gave the set to his wife for Christmas. -
I'm new to this also and would appreciate replies... I would like to make more Divx movies but when I make them they come out at 352x240 image size. I have seen other peoples work and have seen some at 640x352 image size which is ok to watch a movie on my PC screen, but the 352x240 is too small.... how can I make my movies larger (so far I have used VirtualDUB...maybe I need another program.... thanks
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I Guess it's about time I joined in on the fun too, don't you think vitualis ?
Although i'm pretty hurt you never direct people to my guides, you don't
like my guides ?
Anyway, i'm doing all my movies as Video-CD's, and I recently even got to
test a few on a Sony (puke puke) Trinitron 36" TV, and I was rather
surprised that the quality of the movie was still VERY good! better then
VHS even!
Here are the reasons I prefer and always will prefer VCD over DivX/SVCD
1. More compatible - You can play it on ANYTHING, you even got Portable
CD Players that can play VCD (any for DivX ? :P )
2. Great Quality for File Size - I've done Dinosaur (Disney) and it came out
so good, that when I played it first time, no one noticed it wasn't the DVD!
3. Easy to Make - Takes me REALTIME to encode a DVD to VCD! no need
to know any "special" tweaking like with SVCD's VBR, and quite frankly I
couldn't figure out how to make a DivX! TOO COMPLICATED
4. Plays Everywhere! - Even on a 233mhz PC with a 2mb PCI VGA card I
was able to play a VCD, for "some" reason, DivX and SVCD didn't work
so well, I wonder why!
5. No Need for Special Software! - DivX required you install a specific type
of Codec for that movie, and god knows how many versions are out there!
there is no standard! and SVCD required MPEG2, which isn't free yet
For Conclusions
VCD - Good Quality! Portable, Plays Everywhere, Easy to Make, Small Size
DivX - Has Great Quality, but is NOT playable on everything, it is NOT very
portable, and only about 3 or 5 DVD Players can play it, and NOT all of the
formats either! and COMPLICATED to make!
SVCD - Also Great Quality (atleast SOME people say!), but is not as easy
to make as VCD, requires MPEG2 encoding which isn't free () and it
takes atleast 2 discs per movie, and is not as Compatible as VCD.Email me for faster replies!
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Sefy Levy,
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- Seattle, WA
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Well just to stroke the fires.
1) DVDx is not that great a program. I would encode x(S)VCDs w/ CCE.
2) Also 1500kbit/s is a really low bitrate, well below the SVCD standard of 2520kbit/s.
3) One format was meant to be watched on the PC the other on the TV. MPEG4 gives MUCH better compression than MPEG1/2, that means you can use lower bitrates to get good quaility MPEG4 encodes. But there's no way to play a DivX on a TV.
4) What were your settings? Did you rip a DVD to a 320x240 DivX at 1500kbit/s? If so that will look great compared to a 480x480 1500kbit/s SVCD.
5) I've made xSVCDs w/ CCE (2x 80min CDRs per movie) that looked as good as the source DVD (IMHO) and now I have a DVDR for backups. I prefer DVDR for backups even thou DivX files are smaller, because I can watch DVD on TV or PC, but DivX only on TV (which is not always easy on the back or fun if you have people over). -
i think there is no way that VCD could be better or even the same then SVCD.
..and if there is a way, plz tell me your secret
Why would there be even SVCD if VCD looks very good ??
VCD looks pretty good when there's no action in the scene. the same with SVCD. But when it gets pretty hard in the action scenes, you can see pixelating or blokky images.
i use SVCD with no more then 2cd/movie or +- max 60minutes/cd.
==> but i also did a fine backup with the K(S)VCD format with 90 minutes on 1 cd. and guess what............very good picture : much better then VHS, lower then DVD ( i think like SVCD). -
If divx is .sooo good why does nobody (NOBODY!) encode their dvd movies at the original resolution? it appears that people try for a 650-700mb solution so they can back up their film to a single CD. I would love to see a divx film at std DVD resolution but I expect the file would be around 1-1.5gbs. IMHO I think svcd beats divx but .I will put things onto vcd simply because of the ease and simplicity and time saving and bcuz the source is not very good.
N.B. i bought wireless mouse to control divx from sofa
but active distance about two feet (66cm?) .
Corned beef is now made to a higher standard than at any time in history.
The electronic components of the power part adopted a lot of Rubycons. -
Full D1 resolution divx can play choppy on even some high end pc's, thats one major reason for lower resolutions. The main reason, though, is just because divx is intended to be viewed on a pc monitor, which for most people is not going to be bigger than 21" at the absolute most. With such a small viewable window you can get away with lower resolution, and since divx is so heavily compressed you really need a lower res. I think someone nailed it on the head already, it all really depends on where you want to view the material. At the same bitrate and resolution divx will look better than SVCD if viewed on a pc monitor, but will look worse if played through tv out on even a moderately sized television.
Sefy bbmpeg is a very high quality mpeg2 encoder and is completely free, albeit very slow. All the other tools are the same. It does not cost any more to make a SVCD than it does to make a VCD. VCD, SVCD, and DVD can all be made completely with freeware tools.
If you are ok with 3 cdrs than making a SVCD is literally the exact same process as making VCD, you just load the SVCD template instead of the VCD one. You only even need to bother with VBR if your movie is very long or you need to fit the movie on 2 cdrs, in which case you just punch in the # of mins into the bitrate calculator and input this in the AVG bitrate spot, this only takes about 10 seconds to do.
If the movie is less than 2hrs and more than 80 mins than the SVCD and VCD will be the same size, 2 cdrs. That's more than twice the resolution and twice the bitrate in the same space. If the movie is 80 mins or less or over 2hrs than SVCD will require 1 more cdr than VCD.
SVCD takes longer to encode, but isn't really any more difficult to make, its far less compatible, and it may require a maximum of 1 more cdr over VCD but all this comes at a dramatic increase in quality. Both formats can be good archiving solutions depending on what your priorities are. -
For my SVCD i go for 1 rule only : no more then 2 cdr for a movie.
When you need 3 ore more cds for a movie, i find it stupid and unconfurtable to view it and to store it.
if you really want to fit 1 cd, use the KVCD templates (the latest one goes for 3 hours VHS-quality on 1 cdr!)
2 RabiDog : i made a divx with quality that you never seen before (high action scenes in DVD-quality). The file is 1.4 GByte and fits on 2 cdr.
and when u watch it on tv, the quality only gets better.
For compatible reasons i go for SVCD now in stead off DivX.
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Don't they also find themselves getting up ever 40 minutes to changes CDs?Originally Posted by Physick
but i agree SVCD is the way to go, i back all my movies to SVCD, find some good 99minute CDs you'd be set with 2 CD max for any movies
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