DVD "format" but on CD-R disk - is this possible?

[gordwait]

My DVD player can not show SVCD files, and I don't like the VCD format.
Can I somehow encode short videos into a DVD compression format,
but burn them onto a CD Rom disk, and hope to view it on my
Toshiba SD1800 dvd player?
I know the video file would have to be small, but I'm talking home videos, (5 min or less)
not full length features..

I also am not ready to buy a DVD -R disk for my PC yet...
(or pay for the disks!)
GWait

[magomago]

Thats actually a pretty good idea....

I wonder how many minutes one could fit on a 800 megabyte disc? Ya think it'll push 25-30 (even if it it isn't 100% quality...) minutes a disc?

[ghoster]

ya you can do this. they are called mini dvds. have guides on this site that tell you how to do it but not many dvd players can play them. so before you waste your time looking for a how to guide. look up your dvd player and see if it can play mini dvds. by clicking dvd players & compatiblity.....

[Craig Tucker]

You are talking about miniDVD. You can burn DVD quality clips onto a CDR. However these discs will not be playable in the vast majority of players.

http://www.vcdhelp.com/minidvd.htm

[CaseyComb]

This is possible yes, in theory DVD Players play Mpeg2 so if the player states that it will play SVCD format it should play an mpeg2 encoded at 720x480 burned as an SVCD...in theory. I have tried this, it did work on my SAMPO dvd player, but it did not work on my APEX dvd player(or was it the other way around, I can't remember). So All I can say is give it a shot if the mpeg 2 file is smaller than 700 mb it should work (again in theory) It does however depend on the player. I would suggest using nero and ignore the compliance message when it appears (VCDeasy may give you mpeg2 compliance problems). So all in all give it a shot It just might work.

Good Luck

[CaseyComb]

...And no this isn't the miniDVD or cDVD method.

[Craig Tucker]

The problem is many DVD players have a SVCD bitrate limit which is much lower than that of DVD. Typically 2.5mb/s compared to 9.8mb/s for DVD. And the original poster already stated his player can't play SVCD

[BrindA17-Kevin]

Now if only CD-RW burners could burn DVD-R's, that'd be awesome. 4.7 gigabytes on a disc, that is tempting.

OR!: if CD-R's got up 1.0 gb or higher, that'd be great too (and MUCH more possible). I hope CD-R's don't eventually die out.

[Roy2001]

I just did it. I use spruceup to burn 20min DVD video to CDR with very good quality. I set bitrate to 5M/sec. But you need a miniDVD capable DVD player.

[gordwait]

Ok, sounds like a couple options,
- a mini DVD (aka cDVD)
or
- a VCD with a header trick to fool the dvd player..

No idea if my Toshiba SD1800 can work with any of these ideas, so I'll jest
have to try them out.
Thanks all!
and keep the ideas coming!
Cheers,
Gord Wait

[vitualis]

Now if only CD-RW burners could burn DVD-R's, that'd be awesome. 4.7 gigabytes on a disc, that is tempting.

Oddly enough, they are called DVD-R/W burners...

OR!: if CD-R's got up 1.0 gb or higher, that'd be great too (and MUCH more possible). I hope CD-R's don't eventually die out.

How is this much more possible? A drive that burns DVDs already exists. By definition, they are called DVD-R/W (or DVD+R/W) drives. If you mean you want a drive that costs as much as a CD-RW drive now, then you will have to wait a bit.

1.0 Gb CD-Rs are not possible. You have the original Red Book limitations getting in the way... You could of course make discs using CD-R technology of much high capacities (e.g., DD-CD). However, since you can't record or read them on any other CD drive, it makes them kind of pointless...

As others have said, a DVD image on a CD-R disc is called miniDVD or cDVD. If you've just thought of it, don't pat yourself on the back yet... Many of dreamt of the same thing -- indeed YEARS before you. As for all the musing on theories why it might work, just do a bit of searching. They do not work on the vast majority of DVD players.

Apart from hardware limitations, there are also firmware limitations on why this is so.

As for making non-standard SVCDs (or XSVCDs) -- as my esteemed fellow moderator has already implied, you can't making working XSVCDs if your player can't even play standard SVCDs.

Regards.

[BrindA17-Kevin]

I just did it. I use spruceup to burn 20min DVD video to CDR with very good quality. I set bitrate to 5M/sec. But you need a miniDVD capable DVD player.

20 minutes? Man, that sucks. My DVD player is capable of miniDVD, but just 20 minutes? Damn. I think the slight quality sacrafice is worth it (still better than VHS ).

[Nelson37]

I'm gonna suggest what no one else has. XVCD. Try increasing bitrate and/or resolution, even using MPEG-2 burnt as a VCD. Some variation of this is much more likely to work in your player. The Toshibas I have experimented with wouldn't accept bitrates much over 1250, however.

Also try SVCD with the header trick, you may also want to investigate firmware updates for your player.

[joe444455555]

QUOTE
Ok, sounds like a couple options,
- a mini DVD (aka cDVD)
or
- a VCD with a header trick to fool the dvd player..
END QUOTE

Well, actually mini DVD is 720x480 at really high bitrates (technically even up to 9.8 Mbits) that are on CD-rom, so the player must spin the the cd-r at somewhere between 7 and 9 x (9x CD-r = 1x DVD-r), not many can do this and those that can (the discontinued apexs mostly) often heat up and fail when they are subjected to this (though they are also capeable of the other resolutions at really high bitrates on cd-r).

A CVD on the other hand is kind of like svcd, but the resolution is 352x480/576 (vertical resolution is more important on dvd playback than horisontal since the horisontal resolution is not fully used) making it a valid dvd resolution. Also, it's bitrate is same as svcd (but U can go Xcvd, as U can go Xsvcd). It will play smoother than an svcd, since it's bitrate is not used as much on the extra pixels (73 1/3 percent as many pixels), and can help avoid artifacts. Also, the quality is easy to guess, think close to DVD clarity, and bitrate equal to double from a dvd:
352x480/576 @ 2500 kb/s is just as clearly represented (not resolution, but freedom from artifacts) as a 750x480/576 @ 5000 kb/s
352x480/576 is also called 1/2 D1 resolution.
I love it as an alternative to svcd, and the header trick mentioned by: gordwait works on my friends vcd only player (he just loves the qualityand compatibility of the CVDs)
BTW, they look a LOT better on the TV from your DVD-player than the computer.

[CHAOS]

1.0 Gb CD-Rs are not possible.

Hmmmm..... i don't know if this is entirely correct, i have routinely burned whole movie's that i have ripped from dvd's & converted them to mpeg1, vcd's, that were 950mb & larger to 99min. cd-r's & they played back fine right to the end. i might have to try a 1gig file just to see

[minchjp]

One think you've all forgot, 5.1 Surround Sound. I make all my backups on miniDVD, using a low brite (same or lower that 2.5MBs) and add surround sound!!

[vitualis]

1.0 Gb CD-Rs are not possible.

Hmmmm..... i don't know if this is entirely correct, i have routinely burned whole movie's that i have ripped from dvd's & converted them to mpeg1, vcd's, that were 950mb & larger to 99min. cd-r's & they played back fine right to the end. i might have to try a 1gig file just to see

You have to read the original post in context...

You probably can fit just over 1 Gb onto a 99min CD-R with overburning -- but the original poster was suggesting 1 Gb and over standard capacities.

Even getting 1 Gb onto a CD-R is going way off spec with regards to Red Book though it may still work on some players. There are technical reasons why such a thing will not become a "standard" and that was what I was referring to...

Best regards.

[CHAOS]

Now if only CD-RW burners could burn DVD-R's, that'd be awesome. 4.7 gigabytes on a disc, that is tempting.

OR!: if CD-R's got up 1.0 gb or higher, that'd be great too (and MUCH more possible). I hope CD-R's don't eventually die out.

Even getting 1 Gb onto a CD-R is going way off spec with regards to Red Book though it may still work on some players. There are technical reasons why such a thing will not become a "standard" and that was what I was referring to...

You have to read the original post in context...

You probably can fit just over 1 Gb onto a 99min CD-R with overburning -- but the original poster was suggesting 1 Gb and over standard capacities.

True True
& i know it's to the edge, so to speak, 8)
& take it in context kind of like the

Oddly enough, they are called DVD-R/W burners...

just messin with ya dude
be cool :P

[vitualis]

Not a problem...

Regards.

[wulf109]

You might want to try DVD2ONE for createing minDVD. I've used it to create 45 min. miniDVD from TV episodes and the results were surprising good. 45 minutes is probably pushing the limit but with DVD2ONE it is certainly possible to put more then 20 minute.

[Xoanon]

I just did it. I use spruceup to burn 20min DVD video to CDR with very good quality. I set bitrate to 5M/sec. But you need a miniDVD capable DVD player.

Is there a demo of SpruceUp available and can I make a cDVD with Nero?

[marcelr]

No header trick needed. I encoded avi to SVCD.
Use NERO to burn VCD and switch OFF the standard VCD compliancy. This way you have a higher resolution than the standard VCD and you will be able to use your DVD player viewing SVCD.