The Best Template Out There for TMPGEnc?

[kwag]

So, I tried the KVCD templates and on the older model, as I had assumed, it gagged with a "disk error" and "disk is dirty" error. I tried a few others and it didn't like them either. The older model didn't like the templates.

That's not a template (VBR,etc.) problem. That's a media detection problem. I have a Sony NS-300, and it's very picky with CD-R brands. Try a regular VCD template with that same media, and you'll see that you'll get the same disk error.

-kwag

[draganong]

I loaded the template in tmpgenc 2.53 standard. The closed GOP comes on by default as checked, also output YUV data as Basic YCbCr. Should those be off for an interlaced movie ?

[draganong]

Looking at this template: http://www.kvcd.net/KDVD-720x480-Full-D1-_NTSC_.mcf

I see:

MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = True

Should it not be False ????

[FoxGarrison]

That's not a template (VBR,etc.) problem. That's a media detection problem. I have a Sony NS-300, and it's very picky with CD-R brands. Try a regular VCD template with that same media, and you'll see that you'll get the same disk error.

-kwag

I think I implied that the older model took CD-RWs only with the standard VCD template distributed with TMPGEnc--I may have been unclear--my apologies. As I had mentioned though, I had converted with a KVCD template and the machine didn't like it at all.

[kwag]

Looking at this template: http://www.kvcd.net/KDVD-720x480-Full-D1-_NTSC_.mcf

I see:

MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = True

Should it not be False ????

Yes. You're looking at the old settings. The new KDVD templates haven't been uploaded yet. They will be later today.

-kwag

[kwag]

I think I implied that the older model took CD-RWs only with the standard VCD template distributed with TMPGEnc--I may have been unclear--my apologies. As I had mentioned though, I had converted with a KVCD template and the machine didn't like it at all.

Don't worry, you should see some of the stuff I write when I'm just out of bed half asleep and I start to post .
I really like Sony, but I hate their pickiness on CD-R media.

-kwag

[FoxGarrison]

I really like Sony, but I hate their pickiness on CD-R media.

I'm in 100% agreement with you there!

[draganong]

draganong wrote:
Looking at this template: http://www.kvcd.net/KDVD-720x480-Full-D1-_NTSC_.mcf

I see:

MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = True

Should it not be False ????


Yes. You're looking at the old settings. The new KDVD templates haven't been uploaded yet. They will be later today.


*** Dragan anxiously waiting ***

[kwag]

*** Dragan anxiously waiting ***

Go get'em
http://www.kvcd.net/dvd-models

Remember to use file prediction so you can target your movies precisely

Edit: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2320

-kwag

[draganong]

Thanks !

But... The full D1 DVD template is missing the Sound tab... Is that intended ?

Is the GOP 1,5823,2,1,18 OK for an interlaced movie ?

Thanks !

[kwag]

Thanks !

But... The full D1 DVD template is missing the Sound tab... Is that intended ?

Yes it is! Encode your audio with an external audio encoder like HeadAC3he or BeSweet. Don't use TMPEG's internal audio encoder, it sucks

Is the GOP 1,5823,2,1,18 OK for an interlaced movie ?

Thanks !

"5823" = KVCD's signature Just ignore it. The last value, 18, is what defines the size of the GOP.

-kwag

[draganong]

I will give it a try.
Thanks !

[energy80s]

Thanks !

But... The full D1 DVD template is missing the Sound tab... Is that intended ?

Yes it is! Encode your audio with an external audio encoder like HeadAC3he or BeSweet. Don't use TMPEG's internal audio encoder, it sucks

-kwag

Kwag, the TMPG internal audio codec is fine for all but the most demanding of audio applications. If you think it's bad, you should hear Xing!

[kwag]

Kwag, the TMPG internal audio codec is fine for all but the most demanding of audio applications. If you think it's bad, you should hear Xing!

Never heard Xing's audio , but I do know TMPEG's audio at 128Kbps sounds crappy on my Dolby Prologic receiver. HeadAC3he's audio, even encoded at 112Kbps, sounds excelent

-kwag

[energy80s]

Ahh, I would never encode MP2 audio below 192k as it sounds shite at the best of times. 128k MP2 is the equavilent of 96k MP3. I couldn't listen to that at all - not even through PC speakers!! And 128k MP2 is being sold as DAB digital radio in the UK offering CD Quality audio!! Trust me it sounds dreadful.

[kwag]

Ahh, I would never encode MP2 audio below 192k as it sounds shite at the best of times.

Try HeadAC3he at 112Kbps with surround 2. You'll be surprised at the sound. There's are "zero" high frequency metallic pitch artifacts, as there are with TMPEG's audio encoder at 160Kbps

-kwag

[energy80s]

I have to say that I have never heard TMPG introduce any "metallic" sounding effects into the audio - even at low bitrates or changing sampling from 44.1 to 48k or 48k to 44.1. However I do know that others have experienced this and you may be one of them. As for bitrates, I don't even like listening to LAME encoded MP3s at 160kbps (equivalent to at least 192k MP2's).

[SansGrip]

Ahh, I would never encode MP2 audio below 192k as it sounds shite at the best of times.

Try HeadAC3he with 112/44.1 or 128/48, preferably with AC3 source and Surround 2 downmixing. It's exceptionally good considering the bitrate.

Regards,
SansGrip

[energy80s]

I assume that's using a DVD source. Virtually all of my encodes are from TV captures, so AC3 audio doesn't even enter the equation!

[Super Warrior]

I was recently looking through some posts here on vcdhelp.com and I found a reply to a question about MVCD. It said that KVCD was better. So I decided to check it out. The website is www.kvcd.net and it seems to be able to walk the walk as well as talk the talk. It lets you burn up to 180 minutes of video & audio onto one cd-r. The quality is great too, the MPEG1 120 minute template gave me near DVD Quality.

The only problem i could find on the site was where to download, so i just clicked on the link and the code for the template came up which i copied and pasted into notepad and saved as a .mcf file in my tmpgenc directory.

I guess all I'm really trying to say is, what do you think? I'm wondering about how other people like it. The site again is http://www.kvcd.net
. So answer the poll and feel free to reply with suggestions, other templates that may be better, things like that.
^*~~Peace ~~*^

Wow 120 minutes of video on 1 CD-R,without it looking like garbage? and near-DVD quality at that? Sounds a little unbelieveable.

[kwag]

Wow 120 minutes of video on 1 CD-R,without it looking like garbage? and near-DVD quality at that? Sounds a little unbelieveable.

Well, welcome to reality :

(1) http://www.jungleweb.net/~sansgrip/samples/signs-cq73-sample.mpg
(2) http://www.kvcd.net/kvcdx3-v2-sample.mpg

Grab a 5 gallon coffee jar, and sit and read here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2073&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Enjoy!,
-kwag

[johneboy]

Wow 120 minutes of video on 1 CD-R,without it looking like garbage? and near-DVD quality at that? Sounds a little unbelieveable.

Only one way to find out Star Warrior...
http://www.kvcd.net

Quality is too subjective, so the only way you will find out for sure, is to try it yourself

[Super Warrior]

Okay guys,i went and got the KVCD PLUS Ver 2.0 template-352x240 120 minute.

I then ripped just vob files from a dvd with Easy VCD,which i think uses Vstrip to do it.Then i started TMPGEnc,loaded the KVCD template and clicked to start encodeing.

Does that sound right to you guys?

[kwag]

Okay guys,i went and got the KVCD PLUS Ver 2.0 template-352x240 120 minute.

I then ripped just vob files from a dvd with Easy VCD,which i think uses Vstrip to do it.Then i started TMPGEnc,loaded the KVCD template and clicked to start encodeing.

Does that sound right to you guys?

Hi Star Warrior,
Almost . Try this procedure. It's much better: http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kvcdguide.htm

-kwag

[Super Warrior]

Geez thats a lot of stuff.And most of the pictures in the guide just won't load either

[smokedvw]

hey kwag
do you have the new svcd template made yet,
I tried to use the other one and do the changes but it will not allow me to resize (auto resize to fit a 80min cdr)
and when i went unlock then save it changed a bunch of options

[kwag]

hey kwag
do you have the new svcd template made yet,

All templates are in sync. Just udated the SKVCD, KVCDx3 MPEG-2, and the PocketPC templates. http://www.kvcd.net/dvd-models

-kwag

[andybno1]

I don't know if kwag or anyone else has mentioned this as I have only browsed through this thread, but kwag has just released a ultra-low bitrate template which allows 360mins onto a 80min cd. Granted its not high quality but I would say its close to vcd quality.

[johneboy]

I don't know if kwag or anyone else has mentioned this as I have only browsed through this thread, but kwag has just released a ultra-low bitrate template which allows 360mins onto a 80min cd. Granted its not high quality but I would say its close to vcd quality.

holy funk... i cant wait to try this out!

[kwag]

Before the flames and the NAH show up , let me make clear that the purpose of those templates is for small and portable devices 8)
Yes, on a 13" TV or a portable DVD player ( 6" or so ) it looks just like a VCD. The announcement was made here, with specific instructions on how to do it. And a sample of course
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2372

Enjoy!,
-kwag