Is it normal for DVD players to not support MPEG2 sound?

[CommanderXJL]

I just want to verify a point before I make a decision. Is it normal for DVD players to not support MPEG2 sound? So if someone is using Ulead DVD or DVDit! or Spruceup and they use MPEG2 files then there DVD will have no sound on playback? I would like to use Ulead DVD workshop since it has so many nice menus and buttons and it's so fast, but the DVD's I make with it only play back on my Apex but no sound on my Pioneer. How do people use Ulead and then author DVD's that they know will play if they give them away as gifts? I'm at a loss on this one

[BJ_M]

yes -- this is common , many players in N. America do not support mpeg audio on dvd's ..

[Faceman101]

That's odd how software companies do that (also equally odd is how DVD players wouldn't support it). I guess b.c AC3 encoders aren't cheap.

Does your Pioneer play SVCD or VCDs?

[rsuave5]

i find this problem rare. ive sold over 200 dvd-rs and this has happened twice. but in both instances it would play in a different player (computer) most people or rarther alot of people can play the mpeg-2 audio.

[Feuerwehr]

Although it is true that there are desktops players that won't recognize mpeg2 audio, most do!

[CommanderXJL]

My Pioneer will play VCD, SVCD, XVCD, but not DVD authored with MPEG2. Are you guys saying most standalone DVD players will play them? If not, how do people use Ulead DVD workshop? It only authors to MPEG2 and nothing else, it doesn't give the option to convert audio to pcm, at least not that i can find

[Lamont Cranston]

yes -- this is common , many players in N. America do not support mpeg audio on dvd's ..

Could you name a few stand-alone DVD players that do not support mpeg 1 layer 2 audio? I have heard this before but I have never been able to find one one.

CommanderXJL
Which model Pioneer would not play the mpeg 1 layer 2 audio? Was the audio 48KHz?

The NTSC DVD spec at the left states mpeg 1 layer 2 audio is supported but one track has to be ac3 or lpcm. I don't believe stand-alone DVD players are intended to enforce the DVD specs and would not play the DVD mpeg 1 layer 2 track if the ac3 or LPCM track was not present. If the DVD player can play VCDs or SVCDs it can play mpeg 1 layer 2 audio. I would like to know if using mpeg 1 layer 2 is a real problem. It was reported on another thread that a stand-alone DVD player would not play DVDEdit Pro ac3. Nothing is easy.

If you want to make a NTSC DVD that meets spec with DVDWS you could mpeg encode your video with TMPGEnc... with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio. Import the video and create your menus with background music... On finish select Make disk using LPCM audio but check do not convert video files. You will have a video with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio and menus with LPCM audio. Does that meet the DVD spec of one LPCM track and one mpeg 1 layer 2 track?

BTW The ac3 license can't be too costly when the $50 editing/authoring software at http://www.mediostream.com/ supports ac3.[/b]

[Feuerwehr]

The newest 1.3 patch available for Ulead Workshop does now offer the the addition of LPCM audio.

[Lamont Cranston]

The newest 1.3 patch available for Ulead Workshop does now offer the the addition of LPCM audio.

The 1.2 patch also supported LPCM audio. Support for elemental streams was new in 1.3. LPCM audio robs you of disk space and limits your vidoe data rate to 8000 kbps max (lpcm requires ~1600 kbps)

[BJ_M]

all dvd players have to support ac3 audio .. that 59$ neodvd program is 2ch ac3 .. though a pretty good bargin (dont know about the rest of it) ..

some models of dvd that dont play all mpeg audio -> pioneer 343, 434 7200, 7400 , panasonic combo LD/dvd player , Delphi car player (dont know model) ...

[Lamont Cranston]

some models of dvd that dont play all mpeg audio -> pioneer 343, 434 7200, 7400 , panasonic combo LD/dvd player , Delphi car player (dont know model) ...

I looked up the Pioneer 343 and 434 on the left and both, according to the data, play VCDs and SVCDs. What is going on that the player can play VCDs and SVCDs with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio and it won't play mpeg 1 layer 2 audio on a DVD. Very strange.

[CommanderXJL]

Don't know my model right off hand, but it's a 5 disk changer. I am encoding my captured AVI's with TMPG with the DVD template audio is 48khz

[Lamont Cranston]

Don't know my model right off hand, but it's a 5 disk changer. I am encoding my captured AVI's with TMPG with the DVD template audio is 48khz

Will your DVD player play VCDs or SVCDs?

I would recommend you use BeSweet to transcode your wave to ac3 using the procedure outlined http://vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129419&highlight= but some people have reported problems. Personally I have had no problems using BeSweet. I suspect that some of the problems may be caused by the user not selecting the correct audio sampling rate (48KHz). Still an unknown.

[BJ_M]

some models of dvd that dont play all mpeg audio -> pioneer 343, 434 7200, 7400 , panasonic combo LD/dvd player , Delphi car player (dont know model) ...

I looked up the Pioneer 343 and 434 on the left and both, according to the data, play VCDs and SVCDs. What is going on that the player can play VCDs and SVCDs with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio and it won't play mpeg 1 layer 2 audio on a DVD. Very strange.

yea -- it is strange .. they play svcd perfect, even xvcd 720 x 480 48khz audio @ 2500

[Lamont Cranston]

all dvd players have to support ac3 audio .. that 59$ neodvd program is 2ch ac3 .. though a pretty good bargin (dont know about the rest of it) ..

I have had zip experience with the software and only mentioned it as a price point.

As it stands I will most likely continue to use BeSweet until Ulead releases MSPro 7 in March.

[CommanderXJL]

when I convert to ac3 with besweet or soft encode then author in any program the picture freezes in my pioneer but not my Apex. This player has no problem with vcd, xvcd, svcd, but god I'm going crazy trying to just use mpeg2 files or converted ac3 files. I may just have to use spruceup or maestro and go with PCM files. Nice how Ulead won't let you update the trial of workshop to 1.3

[mp3superfreak]

when I convert to ac3 with besweet or soft encode then author in any program the picture freezes in my pioneer but not my Apex. This player has no problem with vcd, xvcd, svcd, but god I'm going crazy trying to just use mpeg2 files or converted ac3 files.

Amen, brother. I however, do not have any problems with the SoftEncode AC3 file playing on my Pioneer, but it DOES NOT like BeSweet's for some reason. I knew it was too good to be true.

[Bodysurf]

I just want to verify a point before I make a decision. Is it normal for DVD players to not support MPEG2 sound?

No. Most DVD players do support MPEG-2 audio.

However, it is not mandatory for NTSC players to do so -- it is OPTIONAL. If you want maximum NTSC compatibility, then encode your audio in Dolby-Digital (AC-3) which is REQUIRED to be supported.

[Lamont Cranston]

Don't know my model right off hand, but it's a 5 disk changer. I am encoding my captured AVI's with TMPG with the DVD template audio is 48khz

When you used BeSweet to transcode the wave to ac3 you did select an audio sampling rate of 48khz? Did you use TMPGEnc to mux your ac3 and mpv?

[CommanderXJL]

well I'm an idiot, the reason my Pioneer wasn't playing the mpeg2 sound was I needed to go into the setup menu and tell it too. For some reason on vcd or svcd it does it by default, but on DVD you have to go in and set it up Let this be a lesson to anyone else, check your setup menu if you have sound trouble

[Greg12]

many players support mp2 audio, but only when it is accompanied by AC3 or PCM.

[Lamont Cranston]

many players support mp2 audio, but only when it is accompanied by AC3 or PCM.

Can you name a make and model of the DVD player(s) that will only play a DVD mp2 audio track when an ac3 or mp2 track is detected. Is the mp2/ac3/pcm option a setup and/or a runtime option? This is a first for me.

[AsimL8]

I seem to be having the same problem. I capture home movies using the PVR-250 card, which only allows me to capture audio in mpeg 1 layer 2 format. If I author the dvd using Unlead movie factory, my set top player (Toshiba SD4700) only plays video without sound. If I take the same capture and author with Sonic MyDvd (which converts audio to PCM), it plays just fine.

The downside to using MyDvd is that the audio eats up so much room on the DVD. Anyone know of any way around it? Can I convert audio from my captured mpeg to ac3 and re-multiplex it / author it with Unlead? how?

thanks.

[Lamont Cranston]

I seem to be having the same problem. I capture home movies using the PVR-250 card, which only allows me to capture audio in mpeg 1 layer 2 format. If I author the dvd using Unlead movie factory, my set top player (Toshiba SD4700) only plays video without sound. If I take the same capture and author with Sonic MyDvd (which converts audio to PCM), it plays just fine.

The downside to using MyDvd is that the audio eats up so much room on the DVD. Anyone know of any way around it? Can I convert audio from my captured mpeg to ac3 and re-multiplex it / author it with Unlead? how?

thanks.

First, according to the DVD Players info on the left your Toshiba will play VCDs and SVCDs which menas the player can play mpeg 1 layer 2 audio. Do you run setup on your Toshiba and see if there is an option to turn play mpeg layer 2 audio on DVDs?

To answer your last question you can transcode mpeg 1 layer 2 to AC3 but that is very lossy. You can mux ac3 and video with TMPGEnc but Ulead DVD Movie Factory does not support AC3. Lastly, the question of the of BeSweet's ac3 file structure compatibility remains open.

[AsimL8]

I seem to be having the same problem. I capture home movies using the PVR-250 card, which only allows me to capture audio in mpeg 1 layer 2 format. If I author the dvd using Unlead movie factory, my set top player (Toshiba SD4700) only plays video without sound. If I take the same capture and author with Sonic MyDvd (which converts audio to PCM), it plays just fine.

The downside to using MyDvd is that the audio eats up so much room on the DVD. Anyone know of any way around it? Can I convert audio from my captured mpeg to ac3 and re-multiplex it / author it with Unlead? how?

thanks.

First, according to the DVD Players info on the left your Toshiba will play VCDs and SVCDs which menas the player can play mpeg 1 layer 2 audio. Do you run setup on your Toshiba and see if there is an option to turn play mpeg layer 2 audio on DVDs?

To answer your last question you can transcode mpeg 1 layer 2 to AC3 but that is very lossy. You can mux ac3 and video with TMPGEnc but Ulead DVD Movie Factory does not support AC3. Lastly, the question of the of BeSweet's ac3 file structure compatibility remains open.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, the Toshiba DOES play VCDs, and while I am playing my dvd authored and burned with the Movie Factory, if I press the audio button on the player's remote, it displays "MPEG 2CH Bitstream". However, no sound is heard! I did look in the setup as well, but did not see any obvious place in the audio setup that seemed to be related.