Ripping DVD's from a stand alone DVD player

[CRAIGARR]

I am thinking of buying a stand alone DVD player because I havent had too much luck with the DVD players in the computer.
They were older models(2 years ago ) and I am not impressed with the results of the processing and the picture , ect.
I think way too much depends on the CPU, Video card you have.I am assuming the newer models have improved , but I am not willing to pay the 150 dollars to find out.
So I was just going to buy a stand alone DVD player.
My question is , If a stand alone player can hook directly up to the tv to let me view a DVD, Is it possible to put the jacks into my video capture card instead of directly to a TV? Will I be able to capture a DVD video that way?
Instead of the 10-15 hours of ripping the vob files and converting them to a SVCD?
The DVD is converted from digital to analog so my TV can "see" it so why wouldn't it be possible to re-convert that analog signal back into a digital signal so I can convert it to a SVCD without having to wait 15 hours for processing..

I am new to ripping, I have only done VHS video tapes so far and I get very good results making VCDs from them..

The thought of taking 15 hours and using 4 different programs to ripp a DVD does not sound very appealing especially when you can usually buy the DVD for 20 dollars.

Any help will be appreciated,

Thanx
Cr@ig

[karter74]

I'm also new to this, but using logical thinking and about ripping stuff from stand alone electronics, you must play the movie through the stand alone and have it hooked up to the input of the computer, thus having to play the movie minute by minute while recording, so however long the movie is, thats how long it would take to rip. Now I don't know about any programs like this (maybe WinDVR, email me if you want it) so I don't know what kind of format you would be able to rip it with.

[CRAIGARR]

Well I am thinking I could just ripp the DVD movie just like I ripp a VHS movie..
My Vid cap card captures with an .AVI Mjpeg Codec and then I process it to any format I want.(Divx .avi , Mpeg 1 or 2 (VCD and SVCD ), .asf , .rm, and even Quicktime.
I use a vid Cap card made by Matrox , I have the Rainbow Runner add on to my Matrox video card and it works great when I ripp Videos from my VCR.
(video out on the VCR to video in on my Capture card)
I assume that a stand alone DVD player has the same video out RCA jacks that a VCR has.

And yeah, the idea of ripping the DVD in "real" time as apposed to ripping the DVD to VOB files with one program and then processing doesnt sound very appealing , specially if it takes 15 hours ..

So to ripp a 90 minute VHS tape and then to process it to a smaller video using a CODEC takes about half the time that it does to do the initial RIPP..

So in the matter of 2 1/4 hours I have a fully funtional Divx Movie ripped from a 90 minute VHS Tape.

I am wondering if this would be possible ,hooking the Video out of the DVD player to the video in of my capture card and capture the DVD in "real" time as a mjpeg .avi and then processing it to a compressed video using a codec,like I do with VHS tapes using my VCR.

Thanks for the reply karter74

Cr@ig




On 2001-08-26 12:10:38, karter74 wrote:
I'm also new to this, but using logical thinking and about ripping stuff from stand alone electronics, you must play the movie through the stand alone and have it hooked up to the input of the computer, thus having to play the movie minute by minute while recording, so however long the movie is, thats how long it would take to rip. Now I don't know about any programs like this (maybe WinDVR, email me if you want it) so I don't know what kind of format you would be able to rip it with.
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Well sure it's possible. And very very common. The entire Capture Forum on this site is devoted to it.

[KingJohn]

Make sure you by a DVD player that has been "Changed" slightly A lot of DVD disks come with Macrovision.

Take a look here http://www.techtronics.com/ and read up on the chip they do. I have one installed, works great

[flaninacupboard]

15 hours to rip and "process" a DVD?? you must be Loveing joking! taking the files off the disc takes 20-25 minutes, and DVD2AVI takes about 10. then the encoding time in TMPGEnc, shouldn't be vastly different from that using captured material! only us capturing as a last reosrt, ripping will give -much- better quality, especially when talking of makng SVCD's.

[menaz]

How fast/slow is your computer craigarr?

[Hotskillz]

youre going to judge the DVD players of two years ago and make them the basis of your purchase? are you crazy?!
that is ancient history!!! be smart and put it into your comp and also have a stand alone. Capturing and formatting a DVD will take countless hours. The DVD players of 2 years ago were 2X and 4X, today you can get a 10X for $31 I know this because I have one in my comp and have used to to make many sucessful DVD rips. I have a 1 GHz 512 of DDR ATi Radeon and an Afreey 10X DVD player and thats total overkill for DVDs so you should have no problem as long as you have a decent computer. Do not bother capturing from a stand alone that is a huge waste of time.

[CRAIGARR]

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On 2001-08-26 16:53:37, menaz wrote:
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I have a P3/1000

[CRAIGARR]

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Well from all that I have seen on the net about ripping DVD's it looks like a lot of work compared to capturing a VHS tape from my VCR.. I was just thinking that if it was anything like I have heard from "help" on the internet , I figured capturing would be a less lenghthy process..
And yep you are correct I purchased a CREATIVE Pc-dvd player for my computer 2 years ago and it was one of the first ones out, and yea it was a 2X.
Cost isnt really a factor here , the DVD players you can get for the PC are just about the same price you can get for a stand alone. I was more thinking about time and how long my PC would be down ripping a DVD. And from what I have read in forums like this , it adds up to 10 - 15 hours and using 4 different programs to get there. I just figured there had to be an easier way.And having a capture card, well I thought that if a DVD plays into a TV why couldn't I capture that signal the same way I capture the signal from a vcr.
I have a p3/1000 with 384 meg ram and considering how fast it is , I didn't know how long it would really take ripping a DVD with my PC but I figured that the people writing the "how to" manuals would be using a fast computer as well.
So just how long would it take for me to ripp a DVD using the programs suggested in the "how to DVD RIP " to the left?
If the movie was 90 minutes, how long would it take for me to get a fully processed VCD using my p3/1000?

Thanks to everyone for the informative responces!

Cr@ig






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On 2001-08-26 16:55:06, Hotskillz wrote:
youre going to judge the DVD players of two years ago and make them the basis of your purchase? are you crazy?!
that is ancient history!!! be smart and put it into your comp and also have a stand alone. Capturing and formatting a DVD will take countless hours. The DVD players of 2 years ago were 2X and 4X, today you can get a 10X for $31 I know this because I have one in my comp and have used to to make many sucessful DVD rips. I have a 1 GHz 512 of DDR ATi Radeon and an Afreey 10X DVD player and thats total overkill for DVDs so you should have no problem as long as you have a decent computer. Do not bother capturing from a stand alone that is a huge waste of time.

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[iant]

Craigarr,
Yep, it can be done but you will need the appropriate macrovision dection disabling hack for the Matrox capture drivers. I'll assume you have this from the way you dicuss copying VHS tapes.
I've got a Matrox G400 Marvel and this technique is exactly what I have done as I don't have an internal DVD drive and the DVD player came as part of a package deal with a video camera.
Timewise, you'll be up for the running time of the film to do a capture followed by the encoding time to MPEG and that's about it unless you want to do an edit into two AVI's of 73 minutes or less before you encode.
One of the biggest advantages to this method is that, if you want to, you can have whatever set of subtitles, commentary, etcetera running and that is what you will get. There seem to be lots of posts on this site from rippers who are going nuts trying to get subtitles included or excluded
Good Luck,
Ian

[KingJohn]

With Macrovision switched off there is nothing being fed to the capture card.

1, press play on stand alone DVD player
2, press record on PC tv card
3, convert Capture to VCD.mpg
4, Burn VCD

You can even stop the film half way, and start it again for capture 2, then you dont need to split any files.

Ripping might bew better quality, but nothing wrong with the quality from a DVD AVI signal, and a whole lots less time to do it...

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Better yet simply capture to mpeg1 or mpeg2.

[CRAIGARR]

Great link letmeinforgodsake , Thanks!
So you sent away for your Stand alone DVD player?
Or just the chip?
I am from the U.S. and wonders if there are other companies
closer that will "do" the same thing, or will sell that kind of chip, It would not only work great for ripping but making copies onto VHS tapes as well (even though they are kind of a dying breed)
Thanks for taking the time to reply letmeinforgodsake
Cr@ig









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On 2001-08-26 12:36:09, letmeinforgodsake wrote:
Make sure you by a DVD player that has been "Changed" slightly A lot of DVD disks come with Macrovision.

Take a look here http://www.techtronics.com/ and read up on the chip they do. I have one installed, works great
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[CRAIGARR]

Well fortunately I haven't had to use the patch that I got from the M.U.R.C. sight , The videos I have been capturing have been Mac. free, I am running win98 and not sure if those patches will work anyway. Unfortunately last night while installing a 16X cd burner my hard drive decided it had enough abuse of the 4 , 2 gig files I put on it when capturing a video and decided to die on me (wont even show in bios , totally fried, but thats another forum entirely, LOL) Fortunately there is another Puter show coming up and that will resolve that problem, Un fortunately that was going to be the money for the Stand alone DVD player,hehe
No biggie , those DVDs will still be waitn for me.Thanks for your advice iant , atleast I know when I can get a Stand alone DVD player , that the capture card process will work .

Cr@ig

[kinneera]

Your video signal isn't going to look as good if you run it through analog and then back to digital. That is why most people prefer ripping, as well as the much faster speed.

[iant]

Regarding the macrovision patches for the Matrox, they work fine on 98. That's what I'm using them on.

Unless you can get a DVD that disables macrovision itself, you're likely to be stuck with using the patch. ( Basically, they're a couple of one byte patches to two capture DLLs. Very simple. They just turn the detection off and that's all. )

[CRAIGARR]

PERFECT!
There were a couple of vids that didnt have any Macrovision on them I am sure, but they were a little rough and Matrox just wouldnt capture them..
I will have to try them!!
Thanks!

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On 2001-08-27 21:16:03, iant wrote:
Regarding the macrovision patches for the Matrox, they work fine on 98. That's what I'm using them on.

Unless you can get a DVD that disables macrovision itself, you're likely to be stuck with using the patch. ( Basically, they're a couple of one byte patches to two capture DLLs. Very simple. They just turn the detection off and that's all. )
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[KingJohn]

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On 2001-08-27 19:59:51, CRAIGARR wrote:
Great link letmeinforgodsake , Thanks!
So you sent away for your Stand alone DVD player?
Or just the chip?
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Well I bought it with the chip fitted, but the good news is you can buy the chip in a self install kit, and they except orders from international countries (Including Nasa )

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On 2001-08-27 21:10:00, kinneera wrote:
Your video signal isn't going to look as good if you run it through analog and then back to digital. That is why most people prefer ripping, as well as the much faster speed.
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That's not true, I've done both. Your options are not as good when you encode real time analog to digital but the final product is still excellent.

I don't understand the "most people prefer ripping and the much faster speed" comment. Are you referring to capturing to AVI? Well I guess that's all you could mean. But if you capture directly to mpeg the capture method is real time and there is no way for it to be faster.

[VideoGuy]

You can only "rip" from a DVD drive in your computer.. Duh... If you have a cap card and plug a settop DVD player into it, your CAPTUREING a DVD movie, not "ripping".

HTH

("ripping" implies pure digital, digital extraction from DVD to digital MPEG1/2 final file. If analog is anywhere near the setup, its not "ripping" :cool" )