Dark secrets of vaccinations exposed

[tenders]

I bet they were the bastards who killed Kennedy. That way they have one less person that needs to be killed through the poison that is vaccination. Of course everyone knows that vaccines were brought by the aliens who crashed at Roswell and has been enhanced by MIB scientists. All this of course is being funded by the secret dark global government who also funded September 11, started both World Wars and control the UN.

Yeh......... right

ROTFLMAO :P

[pacmania_2001]

I bet they were the bastards who killed Kennedy. That way they have one less person that needs to be killed through the poison that is vaccination. Of course everyone knows that vaccines were brought by the aliens who crashed at Roswell and has been enhanced by MIB scientists. All this of course is being funded by the secret dark global government who also funded September 11, started both World Wars and control the UN.

Yeh......... right

ROTFLMAO :P

Dont forget that they are also responsible for Osama Bin Laden / Sadam Hussien who are actually left over robots from the Star Wars films

[rhegedus]

10000 people a week in the USA and cancer is on the rise.

Wrong again (a habit of yours.....)!!!!

Cancer death in the US have been falling steadily since 1990.

http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/F&F2001.pdf

Rob

[rcc]

rhegedus: I don't trust any mainstream media out;lets, including scientific and medical journals, they are all controled by powerful interests.

[rhegedus]

rhegedus: I don't trust any mainstream media out;lets, including scientific and medical journals, they are all controled by powerful interests.

But Alex Jones and Len Horowitz are OK, even though they are both in the business of writing for money....

Alex Jones has gone corporate by using Yahoo to exclusively sell his wares, and the fake doctor Len Horowitz has a fully stocked on-line store selling: books (including the 'Complete Jewish Bible' and Christianity Unmasked: exposing pagan religious doctrines currently deceiving the Judeo-Christian world - obviously you will only be 'healed' if you are Jewish!), audio tapes, videos, nutritional products (more on this later), music and waterfilters!

Amongst some of the witch doctor stuff he sells is: oxygen in a drink form (had he even the slightest notion about physiology, he'd know that the lungs are the organ of gas exchange, not the stomach! ) and Alkalife - Neutralizes excess acid in the body (this is no more than bicarb of soda, which might just help a dodgy stomach for $19.25 a go, but will be pissed out by the kidneys quicker than you can say FRAUD! )

Incidentally here's his disclaimer:

Disclaimer—The information contained in Dr. Horowitz’s book, audiotapes, videotapes and Internet websites is intended for educational and spiritual healing purposes only. It is not provided in order to diagnose or treat any medical condition (physical or psychological) since the entire medical field is rife with fraud and based on arbitrary, if not totally unscientific, tenets that neglect the most powerful source of balance and Divine regulation—God and His Frequency Delivery Algorithms.

WARNING: See appropriate healthcare professionals and/or advice as soon as possible for pain relief or disease treatments.

DO YOU NOT SEE THESE PEOPLE FOR THE FRAUDS THAT THEY ARE???

Rob

[rcc]

I think he put the disclaimer only to avoid possible lawsuits from FDA. I don't see him as a fraud and I'll continue to spread his message and by doing so saving people's lives.

[pacmania_2001]

Are you sure it wasnt the doctor dropping you on your head, not the vaccines that made you the way you were?

[Craig Tucker]

rhegedus: I don't trust any mainstream media out;lets, including scientific and medical journals, they are all controled by powerful interests.

Do you still think the world is flat, and that the earth is the centre of the universe ?

[rhegedus]

I think he put the disclaimer only to avoid possible lawsuits from FDA. I don't see him as a fraud and I'll continue to spread his message and by doing so saving people's lives.

So do you think that his therapies all work? If so, kindly tell me where's the proof?

i.e. how does the oxygen cross the gastrointestinal mucosa and what receptors it binds to, and how Alkalife interferes with the body's homeostatic mechanisms to alter plasma pH?

Rob

[rcc]

WEll, I'm not into his therapies so I can't tell you. All I know, I trust him on the issue of vaccines. I think he is for real. PLus he presents facts to back his claims up and also I've seen many other sources against vaccines. All these people cannot be wrong. It's obvious that pharmaceuticals are making billions off of human saffering, so they'll do anything to keep people sick. Are you trying to tell me that all these medical deities would want to lose their jobs ?That's what would happen if people became more healthy. I think doctors are good for certain things like broken bones, emergencies, etc.., even certain deseases. But I certainly wouldn't go to a doctor to cure cancer.

[rhegedus]

PLus he presents facts to back his claims up and also I've seen many other sources against vaccines. All these people cannot be wrong.

Where are his facts? All these people cannot be wrong - why not? There are more scientists out there who think otherwise. If it's a battle of numbers, you lose! If it's a battle of facts, you lose!

In summary: You lose!

As for the pharmaceutical companies making money, isn't that what the witch doctor you love is doing? Why doesn't he allow you to download his books in pdf for free? Or tell you that some bicarb of soda for 1$ will probably be better for you than his Alkalife for $19.25.

Rob

[tgpo]

http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?

I've never been much to believe rumors. I believe that If I get a vaccine and get sick that they are bad, but I've gotten them before with no problems. And to be honest I trust myself more than I trust some internet doctor or a poster on a internet forum.

[pacmania_2001]

Taken from Yahoo/CNN Story on Vaccines:

The vaccine has risks of its own. Based on studies from the 1960s, experts estimate that 15 out of every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time will face life-threatening complications, and one or two will die. Reactions are less common for those being revaccinated.

Seems much better odds than getting the actual virus.

[vitualis]

It amazes me how somebody would trust government instead of common sense.

It amazes me that you would instead trust a scam artist.

For all you sceptical conspiracy theorists out there, apply the same level of scepticism to EVERYTHING. Don't arbitrary disbelieve some stuff and willingly be lead by the nose by others.

If you don't believe the "government" then read some independent research yourself. Truly independent research will not call itself "independent" and definitely won't call itself "anti-government". It shouldn't have to. Furthermore, it will declare any potentital conflicts of interest (e.g., funding).

I suggest that you read the BMJ articles that were linked to before. From all the best evidence that we have now (and there was some fairly significant epidemiological studies recently published, the MMR vaccine does not cause autism.

Before you go into another tirade that "you don't believe", please actually READ the article and furthermore, look up all the references. Unlike the authors who you would like to believe, who is doing no more than generating controversy and playing at public fears for commercial gain, those studies were actually designed rigorously to ask and answer the question, "does MMR increase the risk of autism". The answer from these studies is "no".

But I doubt very much I'm going to convince you. No more than it was possible to convince all those (IMHO) nuts that planes were not going to fall out of the sky on 1/1/2000 and that building a bunker in the middle of a forest was a pretty stupid thing to do...

Regards.

[ofbarea]

Good material for x-files...

[pacmania_2001]

But I doubt very much I'm going to convince you. No more than it was possible to convince all those (IMHO) nuts that planes were not going to fall out of the sky on 1/1/2000 and that building a bunker in the middle of a forest was a pretty stupid thing to do...

I remember seeing on TV some nut who sold up all his stuff, bought a property in the middle of the Australian desert. He then built this fortress type bunker with enough supplies to last like 10 years. Bet he looked stupid on the 1st of 2000

[loveturtleozark]

My dad is a doctor
he says that some vaccines are good while others are completely unsafe.
He says that it was a great invention that got carried to the extreme by the morons in charge.
The morons in charge think that just because cowpox makes you develop an immunity to smallpox means that there is a vaccine for every ill under the sun.
A wise man would not beleive such nonsense.
I got very ill after being stuck with the needle.

[rhegedus]

What exactly is your dad's field? Is it anything to do with molecular medicine or immunology?

Get him to read all the posts on this topic and point out what exactly he does not agree with.

A wise man would not beleive such nonsense.
I got very ill after being stuck with the needle.

Yeah....it really messed up your grammar

[loveturtleozark]

so I made a mistake in spelling(who doesn't on the internet),does that dispell the validity of my argument?I never really care if someone's spelling is correct or not unless it is truly horrid it does not matter-it is not like we get paid to post
my dad's field is really none of your business,but no but he did read all the time about the stuff
you seem pretty worked up about this,seriously take a chill pill or 2
try not to take it so personally that someone might have a different viewpoint than you
doctors certainly don't know everything no matter what their field is or how long they have been at it

[rhegedus]

With respect, if you are going to write about someone else's opinions on the subject, then the least you can do is write a little more about how they came to this opinion and on what ground they stand when they make it. Otherwise, the hallucinations of the local crack head would count as much as those of an expert in the field, which is hardly the way it should be.

My comment about grammar was clearly meant as a joke - if you're upset for the purpose of distracting attention from the lack of substance in your argument, then tough.

It is true that doctors don't know everything, but that was a rather silly comment to make - no one does!

But then we have spent about 15-20 years just to get where we are, so you can understand the dislike of some crack-pot theory that undermines not just what has been learned but, more importantly the health of those that cannot decide for themselves i.e. children.

Regards,

Rob

[Ducatti20]

I bet they were the bastards who killed Kennedy. That way they have one less person that needs to be killed through the poison that is vaccination. Of course everyone knows that vaccines were brought by the aliens who crashed at Roswell and has been enhanced by MIB scientists. All this of course is being funded by the secret dark global government who also funded September 11, started both World Wars and control the UN.

Yeh......... right

ROTFLMAO :P

Dont forget that they are also responsible for Osama Bin Laden / Sadam Hussien who are actually left over robots from the Star Wars films

I thought they were left overs from battlestar glactica??

[vitualis]

This is moving towards becoming a stupid thread so it is being locked.

In summary, the vast majority of vaccines that are commonly used (i.e., your regular childhood ones) are safe. In fact, they are very safe. You are much more likely to die from drowning or a motor vehicle accident as a child than having a life-threating/severe reaction from vaccination.

No one, to my knowledge, is suggesting we should ban backyard pools or motor cars.

The MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) triple vaccine has been at the centre of some controversy about it's supposed link to autism. There are some interesting correlations but all the large studies recently published have been pretty clear -- MMR does not increase the risk of autism.

And for all you conspiracy fanatics, some food for thought. Correlation does not equal causation.

There is a pretty strong positive correlation world wide between the use of toothpaste (i.e., brushing your teeth) and obesity. Does that mean that brushing your teeth makes you become fat?

It just indicates underlying confounding factors (in this case, Western lifestyle).

Regards.