Should we use/get an optional ID as NTSC or PAL member?

[SingSing]

NTSC actually means more or less US, Canada, Mexico, Japan ( we made them ), Tawian ( we help these Chinese against other Chinese).

PAL means the rest of the world expect SECAM countries like France.

These two neo types are very different in these outlook and issues on VCD/DVD/video/.., from a U.S. and a good NTSC person :

Goods : We buy stuff and refer prices from Walmart , Compusa, Fry, BB, CC ( Bestbuy, and circuit city ), OM, staples, which is competing ridigulosly on every Sunday. They do not reflect real cost on media and goods in the real world ( I means PAL ).

Culture : To us, Every movie is about what Hollywood export, or make for US, like Disney, to Harry Portter. That is sick. There are many good movies, no, GREAT movies out there, like those we saw on AirFrance.

War : Unproportionaly, most of the consumer wars is in U.S. : Beta vs VHS, Intel vs AMD, Kodak vs Fuji, Napster vs record companies.. The world watch in horror and then figured out the next wave.

VCD : There are very little commerical NTSC VCDs presses or sold. Our nearly sole purpose is to rip DVD, for viewing on laptop or in minivan/boat, or family room.

Equipment : The DVD players make for US/NTSC can have very different capability, features. Even when their model number are nearly indentical. See those conflicting info in DVD player section.

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On occassion, that I post information and then figured out it make no sense for the PAL people. I think this happened with others too ( that's mean you ).

Will an optional "NTSC" or "PAL" tag for the members help us to determine and understand those "less than brith to death precision question/discussion" on this site ?

[vitualis]

A "where are you from?" tag would serve the same purpose and probably much less confusing for a beginner.

That, and it already exists under your existing Profile.

Also, there is no stark NTSC/PAL divide anymore in many parts of the world (US seems to be an exception). In most PAL countries (and SECAM is very similar to PAL), the AV equipment (though defaults to PAL for obvious reasons) are usually multisystems compatible. That is, both PAL and NTSC material usually plays without issues.

In Australia (and we are fairly backward in terms of new technologies), most DVD players sold can play both PAL and NTSC and convert between the two. If you were so unfortunately to have gotten one that cannot convert to PAL, it usually doesn't matter because the majority of TVs here have been multisystems for years.

For example, there have been cases where region 4 (Australia) DVD releases have actually been in NTSC rather than the native PAL (obviously the DVD masters where too lazy to actually do the proper conversion). Although definitely an outrage, it actually made very little difference to the public because very few people actually had a setup that WOULD NOT play NTSC discs. I don't envisage that a similar situation could possibly occur in the US.

Regards.

[SingSing]

US seems to be an exception.

People is either like or hate stuff from US. We are some what guilty of exporting culture and live style.

People are sitting infront of a PC/MAC (US invention) and argue about it over internet (US invention) with a glass of Coke/Pepsi (US invention).

Sigh..

[miketree]

US seems to be an exception.

People is either like or hate stuff from US. We are some what guilty of exporting culture and live style.

People are sitting infront of a PC/MAC (US invention) and argue about it over internet (US invention) with a glass of Coke/Pepsi (US invention).

Sigh..

... talking complete crap! (another US invention?)

[SingSing]

Count 1.

I do know the subject is "not political correct"( US invention ).

[ChrisX]

To tag someone as PAL or NTSC member won't work. I for one use both TV systems - PAL or NTSC. Why this option and for what purpose?

I have a collection of movies in both formats and I own a multi-region and multi-system DVD player as well as having multi-system VHS VCR and a LD player. I can also capture videos from both PAL and NTSC sources.

[energy80s]

Perhaps it would be better for individuals to state that their method is only suitable for PAL or for NTSC. I would imagine that most users are on the PAL (or SECAM derivative) TV standard as NTSC is really only used in north America and Japan.

It really annoys me to see all these guides talk about "inverse telecine" when it doesn't apply to most people!

[SingSing]

I think you are right. For those of us, know that NTSC/PAL can be an issue, should just make a brief statement to identify which TV system we are refering to.

[Thorn]

Perhaps it would be better for individuals to state that their method is only suitable for PAL or for NTSC. I would imagine that most users are on the PAL (or SECAM derivative) TV standard

Guides that are specific to a particular system should absolutely identify the system clearly. I guess too many people assume their standard is the only one used on the board.

On the other hand, I was under the impression that there were more NTSC users here, just by the frequency of mention of 29.97fps in video and that mpeg audio isn't allowed for DVD (etc). Considering that media and other equipment can be relatively much more expensive outside of the US, it's quite possible that even with more people on the PAL system, there could be more people burning NTSC discs. Not that it really matters which system most people are on as long as system-specific info is labeled as such.

[SingSing]

You really can't tell by the frame rate people are refering to. At least in these cases :

1. They download movies from the "other side" and try to convert and/or play.
2. They bough or got VCD or DVD from the "other" side and want to convert, and/or play it.
3. They watch the movies on Computer/laptop, and thus any format, FPS will do.
4. They assume what they have because the disc, or movie isn't labeled.
5. The equipment is multi-format and/or multi-syn.

The list go on.. That is why I think there is a need.

[Craig Tucker]

On the other hand, I was under the impression that there were more NTSC users here, just by the frequency of mention of 29.97fps in video and that mpeg audio isn't allowed for DVD (etc).

Mpeg1 layer2 audio can be used for NTSC DVD's, authoring programs such as DVD workshop give a warning that it may not be supported because some early NTSC DVD players did not support it.

[Craig Tucker]

I think you are right. For those of us, know that NTSC/PAL can be an issue, should just make a brief statement to identify which TV system we are refering to.

Glad to see you finally took that on board SingSing

[tgpo]

People are sitting infront of a PC/MAC (US invention) and argue about it over internet (US invention) with a glass of Coke/Pepsi (US invention).

America, what a nation.

[Thorn]

Mpeg1 layer2 audio ... some early NTSC DVD players did not support it.

So most modern NTSC DVD players should allow mpeg1 layer2 audio in DVD's? I hadn't heard that. (I'm guessing it's the same thing as MP3 support: it's not in the specs but has been added in).

[Craig Tucker]

Mpeg1 layer2 audio ... some early NTSC DVD players did not support it.

So most modern NTSC DVD players should allow mpeg1 layer2 audio in DVD's? I hadn't heard that. (I'm guessing it's the same thing as MP3 support: it's not in the specs but has been added in).

I am in the UK so I don't know it from first hand experience, but from what I have read I believe it to be true.

[SingSing]

If a particular software, makes a statement, or has an option, it does not reflect how the majority or recent DVD players are designed with.

It is easy to rev/fix information in software, than millions of players in consumer's hands.

[tenders]

[quote="SingSing"]

People are sitting infront of a PC/MAC (US invention) and argue about it over internet (US invention) with a glass of Coke/Pepsi (US invention).

Sigh..

we have a few of those too: http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

[SingSing]

Glad to see you finally took that on board SingSing

I don't think people want to see "less than adequate" behavior in a semi-technical topics like this.

Members can see missed labled ( and once hidden ) topics for reference : PAL vs NTSC format debate

at : http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127698&highlight=

[SingSing]

we have a few of those too: http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

We feel particularly bad about exporting culture and life style. We know these stuff make our kids insensitive, TV/Movie driven....Grown up wants the latest you know what at low low price ( that's means me too ). Whatever it takes to get there ( type Enron on Yahoo )....

[yg1968]

So most modern NTSC DVD players should allow mpeg1 layer2 audio in DVD's? I hadn't heard that. (I'm guessing it's the same thing as MP3 support: it's not in the specs but has been added in).

That has been my experience. The PS-2 can play mpeg1, layer 2 audio. The Prima-1500, Apex-1500, Lenoxx 2002, Philipps DVD-724 can all play mpeg 1, layer 2 audio. However these players (except the PS-2) are versatile players that can play VCDs, mp3s, etc. So it would be dangerous to generalize to all players. I get the impression that a player that can play mp3s can normally play mpeg-1, layer 2 audio.