VOBs -> VCD direct with TMPGenc???

[newbie]

Hello all,
Does anyone know where I can find guides that show how to encode ripped VOB files to VCD without doing any frameserving business?

[poopyhead]

frameserving w/ dvd2avi isn't that complicated...i think it's given in great detail in sefy's guides

[wulf109]

Rip the DVD as one large file.Most rippers have this option.
Smartripper 2.41 has it.
Rip in stream mode and select only the video stream and the
primary audio stream,this will keep the file to the smallest
size.The primary audio stream will normally be the
6-channel ac3 stream,but some movies also have a
2-channel ac3 stream also. Just be sure that it's a soundtrack.
Many movies use the 2-channel stream for Director's comments.
Using the 2-channel stream will trim another 200Mb's from the
final file size.
Now you want to determine if the vob file can be encoded directly
by Tmpeg or needs to be remuxed into an mpg file.
To do this start Tmpeg and go into Wizard mode.
Load the vob file into the wizard and click next
until you come to the screen that tells you the length of the
file in time. If it reports the length as the actual
known running time of the movie you can open and encode the vob
itself in Tmpeg. If it reports a shorter time then you need to
remux the vob into an mpg. Most movies will require remuxing
but many will not.
To remux the vob open Tmpeg and start Mpeg Tools.
It will open in simple remux mode,stay in that mode.
Click the browse button in the video input line and
select your vob file. Tmpeg will load the vob into the video
and audio input boxes,it will also load an mpg file in the output box.
Click Run and Tmpeg will create an mpg from the vob.
This mpg can be opened and encoded in Tmpeg and it will preserve
the video and audio quality of the vob file.
Load whatever template you prefer and encode the movie.
It does require addition hard disk space with this method
but it is only temporary.
The remuxing time will be longer than frame serving.
The benefits however are resolution,color saturation,and
contrast very close to the original DVD.
The improvement in color saturation and contrast is worth the
extra effort.

[newbie]

Thanks guys, especially wulf...
I've been frameserving for the past months and found no advantages whatsoever since I don't do any special editing, etc...

If VCDs can be encoded directly from VOB files then they're more suitable for me. That's why I asked.

wulf,
I'll give it a try ... thanks.

[adam]

The benefits however are resolution,color saturation,and contrast very close to the original DVD.
The improvement in color saturation and contrast is worth the
extra effort.

As always I have to correct wulf's misleading assertions. Perhaps loading the vobs directly into TMPGenc is easier for some users so in this case it is a viable method, even if it does take much longer. However, there is absolutely no difference in quality whatsoever. Frameserving doesn't change anything, its still the exact same vobs being loaded in the exact same way, the frameserving process just makes it easier.

Newbie if you are an ntsc user then you are actually losing about %20 of your quality by using this method because you are forced to encode at 29.97fps. If you used dvd2avi and forced film and encoded at 23.976fps then you would see a dramatic increase in quality, especially for vcds.

[newbie]

Thanks adam,
I'm a PAL user. Do you see any advantages for me to encode the VOBs directly to VCDs?

What I've found so far (from wulf's instructions) is that it would be quicker to encode VOBs to VCDs directly IF AND ONLY IF the remux step is skipped. Otherwise, it would take longer than frameserving.

What I'm looking here is the quickest way to get to VCDs from VOBS ... no more no less.

[adam]

If you are a pal user and encoding with TMPGenc then there is really no quality benefit either way, its essentially the same.

If you have to remultiplex then it is definitely going to take much longer than frameserving. If you don't have to remultiplex than I suppose encoding the vob directly might be a little bit of a shortcut, if you have the hard drive space. What problems are you having with frameserving though that would make you want to skip the process? If you don't process the audio, which you shouldnt, then it takes only a couple of minutes to produce the d2v file. It is actually less steps to create the d2v file than it is to remultiplex and its certainly much faster.