Elitist?

[HateUFags]

Just wanted to make a quick point. I've been in the hobby of making VCD/SVCD's for about a year now. Thats the great thing about the internet, there's alot of great hobbies to get involved with where you can find a great community of people willing to help bring people on board. It's good fun.
I almost hate to say it, (almost) but I've never found that kind of community with movies. I (almost) hate to say it, but this is actually the most elitist bunch of bastards I've ever found. I'm pretty much self taught, reading tutorials from doom, and scanning through tons of forum posts until I FINALLY find one that got answered, since most don't. It's just sad. These kind of communities grow when people help the newbies.
If your response is 'people should read and learn', I agree. But there's a point where you've sifted through enough information, and you have to ask. People shouldn't be treated like dogs for doing it.
Just scan down through the forums, and look how many people have viewed posts (sometimes simple as hell), and how many lazy bastards actually responded. It's pitiful.
Anyways, I'll quick ranting. I just think they need to either make another site for the better class of people, or do two forums. One for the sad ass elitist bastards, and one for the few good people in this community to help it and make it grow. I have a feeling the elitist bastard forum wouldn't have many topics.

[Morloc]

I don't know how long you've been lurking on this site before unleashing your tirade in your first and only post, but I have been a member for several months now, and I don't share your opinion at all. Sure there are a few smart asses whose responses have an elitist attitude - but they are very much in the minority. In any representative slice of the population, you're bound to hit a few idiots. I'm a relative newbie myself and have received a lot of help and no attitude with it. Maybe it depends a lot on your own attitude and your expectations.

And by the way, I find your screen name offensive. What's with that?

Morloc

[Bondiablo]

Uh huh, but I expect someone who uses a name like HateUFags would consider the patrons of professional wrestling and monster truck shows elitist as well.

[donpedro]

Sure there are a few smart asses whose responses have an elitist attitude - but they are very much in the minority.

I agree with this and ... should this be in "Off-Topic"

HateUFags, maybe you will get better response if you explain why are you so angry ?

[snowmoon]

Since it's related to the website I moved it to feedback.

The only time I respond with RTFHT's is when it's obvious that the person in question has skimmed over the tutorials and gone right to posting with the first problem they encounter. Even then I try to be courtious.

Your anger is quite mis-directed. The community might be calased due to the large influx of newbies, but that hardly makes us a$$holes. Most of us do the best we can to keep things running smoothly and in the right direction without too much crap.

Overall I have found this board to be quite informative and friendly. Those that are junking up the site are quickly culled from posting by the active moderators. If you are having problems getting your question answered you are probably falling victim to one of the following problems...

You are being argumentitive ( just mabye? )

Your question lacks depth

Your question is way too specific for anyone to answer

Your subject is poor and gets passed over for better worded posts

Cheers.

[vitualis]

I think any reasonable person can see this through...

First post, derogatory user name, rant on why this board is "crap"... Frankly, you can go bugger off.

It has been posted here: http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78182 on how to get your questions answered and why any one thread MAY NOT get an answer. There are anywhere up to a thousand new posts per day. I certainly can't read them all... no one can. Of the ones I do read, there is probably only a small proportion that I feel I can answer adequately or I have something to add. Luckily this site isn't dependent on the moderators or the experienced members to answer questions. There is a great atmosphere of members helping each other out. Generally, most threads will get answered, and if they don't, there is usually a problem with it (as per the previous link).

If you have a problem with the "elitism" of this board, then please by all means don't grace us with your presence again.

Regards.

[mdm]

I'm guessing the original poster (the one with the rude name) must have posted one (or more) of those "how do I do such-and-such from A to Z" questions. Since I've been lurking around here, I have seen an increase of these "hey, I just got broadband so how do I do all of this stuff" posts where it is quite obvious they haven't put forth any effort to learn anything about what they wish to do. When I started getting into VCDs and DVDs, I found about 80% of what I needed to know simply by reading as much as I could on this site (plus following provided links). The rest I learned by trial and error :P . I haven't noticed an "elitist" attitude (IMO), just a likely bit of frustration towards people who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I have noticed that when a poster asks detailed questions, shows an attempt at figuring it out themselves, or at least clearly admits their ignorance on the subject, they will get reasonable responses to their questions.

[Oracle]

@Hateufags & Others

I have to say some of your points are valid, and its not just some of the users on this site, some of the MODS on this site are behaving like elitest B_stards.

My solution to this would be to use Real names(maybe just the first) + use real e-mail adresses (not just the free ones). Then I think you would get a more helpful & friendly board.

My 2 cents

[q1aqza]

I am guilty - if guilty is the right word - of occasionally telling newbies to go search a guide or the forum if it is obvious that they have made no effort searching for the answer. I do not consider this elitist in anyway as it does in fact steer them in to the correct use of forums and stop the overload of repetitive posts that can cloud new or unanswered problems from being easily viewed on the forum. If it is obvious that they have made some effort then, if I know the right answer, I will help if I can.

I personally always search for an answer first, if I can't find the right answer I will submit a post. However if someone replies with a URL link or text saying go and look at such and such site or forum thread then that can be just as useful as somone writing an answer - I don't get p*ssed off by it.

I have learned approx 80-90% of my digital video knowledge from this valuable site and I do try to put something back by answering genuine, not lazy, posts.

[mdm]

Another reason there appears to be an increase in these "help me do everything" posts is because they are coming from USENET. I have seen a number of USENET posts in the past month directing people to this site.

Normally this would be a *good* thing, but if you've ever spent any time in some of the newsgroups, you know what some of the people there can be like

[tenders]

HateUFags

seems to me that you are the elitist. how many people have you helped with your 1 and only post? since you have been hanging around for a year!!

[vitualis]

My solution to this would be to use Real names(maybe just the first) + use real e-mail adresses (not just the free ones). Then I think you would get a more helpful & friendly board.

My 2 cents

Not a bad idea. Of course, it would hold a lot more weight if your name was actually "Oracle" and you didn't have a hotmail e-mail address.

Regards.

[tgpo]

My solution to this would be to use Real names(maybe just the first) + use real e-mail adresses (not just the free ones). Then I think you would get a more helpful & friendly board.

My 2 cents

I enjoy using sns here. I feel it makes the board no so corporate and more laid back. Plus I don't really see how using our real names would make any difference. If people are snobs then penning a name to the identity wouldn't accomplish much.

Besides, CraigTucker is already doing this.

[miketree]

A year? - It says he joined 3 December 2002. That's today!
(s)he's obviously very observant if (s)he can make such a conclusion in such a short time.

It took me much longer to come to the exact opposite conclusion.

As it's been said above - If you don't like it here, piss off and leave us in peace!!!

[Nelson37]

First, the user name is offensive and combative.

Second, you seem to assume that there is some requirement that you be helped. Obviously a product of the Welfare State. This is NOT a taxpayer-funded organization, no one is paid to wipe your nose.

Third, this board is one of the most friendly, helpful, informative, and useful sites on the internet. There is a genuine sense of Community here.

You may learn when you become an adult that you are essentially on your own in life, you may rant all you want but no one is compelled to listen. Showing a willingness to actually work for what you want rather than just demanding like a baby will get much better results.

While you are free to choose any login name you wish, I would suggest you show some maturity, not to mention common sense, and choose one that does not clearly indicate you are a stupid, lazy, ignorant redneck bigot. I choose not to associate with or assist such people.

[miketree]

.... A round of applause can be heard in the distance ...

[q1aqza]

It could be that (s)he chose the name because (s)he is an anti-smoker !!!

UK members might appreciate that piece of British terminology more than our American colleagues !!

Perhaps a moderator should stop this thread and not give this R Sole any more 'air time' ?

[rhuala2]

A year? - It says he joined 3 December 2002. That's today!
(s)he's obviously very observant if (s)he can make such a conclusion in such a short time.

Maybe, just maybe, the person has another alias and they are too cowardly to use it so they grabbed a new name so they could rant behind a vail...

If someone checked the IP address then did a search I'm sure another username with pop up under the same IP address...

rhuala

[donpedro]

Perhaps a moderator should stop this thread and not give this R Sole any more 'air time' ?

I agree. My was locked and I only asked question that was answered before (am I right snowmoon ?) . So many moderators and no action ? Somebody sent this post and now he or she is watching and laughing how rest of us reacting.

I can imagine that somebody who didn't get any answer posted this and he/she is counting how many replys will this stupid post have. My was 19th.

[Truman]

I wont close a thread just because I disagree with the opinion of a poster. I don't think, that he has broken the forum rules, it is just his personal opinion.
Anyway, there is no need to close a thread if you would let it die. Ignore it.
Rest in peace, HateUFags.

[Will Hay]

First, the user name is offensive and combative...While you are free to choose any login name you wish, I would suggest you show some maturity, not to mention common sense, and choose one that does not clearly indicate you are a stupid, lazy, ignorant redneck bigot. I choose not to associate with or assist such people.

Whilst I concurr it's unlikely, the first thing I thought of when reading the username was indeed a reference to tobacco.
Clearly there's some balance required here.
All you are doing with such a response is the same bigoted opinion you think the original poster shares.
Once again I agree it's quite unlikely, but if I'd tried and failed to stop smoking (I've never smoked) and wanted to reflect this in a somewhat starnge username then so be it.
Please, think first and don't assume the worst in people.
Will Hay
--
UK
Fanny doesn't mean the same over here either

[Will Hay]

Can I raise a point I always seem to see on Usenet, which pisses me off no end and flies in the face of everything forums are supposed to stand for...
..."please e-mail me directly, I don't visit the group/board much".
What the hell is that?
No offence intended as the person I'm about to comment on has helped both me and the forum immensly, but isn't there a moderator who has a similar comment in his signature?
Of course I'm sure the user posts his comments both directly to the forum as well as sends it to the original poster
Will

[rhegedus]

I am guilty - if guilty is the right word - of occasionally telling newbies to go search a guide or the forum if it is obvious that they have made no effort searching for the answer. I do not consider this elitist in anyway as it does in fact steer them in to the correct use of forums and stop the overload of repetitive posts that can cloud new or unanswered problems from being easily viewed on the forum. If it is obvious that they have made some effort then, if I know the right answer, I will help if I can.

I personally always search for an answer first, if I can't find the right answer I will submit a post. However if someone replies with a URL link or text saying go and look at such and such site or forum thread then that can be just as useful as somone writing an answer - I don't get p*ssed off by it.

I have learned approx 80-90% of my digital video knowledge from this valuable site and I do try to put something back by answering genuine, not lazy, posts.

This hits the nail on the head!

I started making vcds etc in about May of this year and have always found help and useful suggestions on this site - not once have I been treated discourteously as a results of my own ignorance, but then maybe that's been because I posted topics only after I couldn't find the answer in the forums.

Just look at the wealth of FREE information in the HOW TO guides and in the reviews of hardware - where else do you get this?

I suspect that your post is based on your own inadequacies rather than the replies which you have recieved from her.

This forum is better off without you.

Rob

[Will Hay]

All very good points, and whilst not trying to defend the idiot who started this thread I have noticed some more experienced users almong us tend to assume you haven't searched the forums, and respond accordingly.
Will

[Oracle]

@vitualis

Dont worry M8 I was not pointing the finger at you

you wrote

Not a bad idea. Of course, it would hold a lot more weight if your name was actually "Oracle" and you didn't have a hotmail e-mail address.

I never use my real name or my home or business email adress on an anoymous site.
Made the mistake many times of using my home Email address for registering software & on forums, not anymore as the email addresses become unusable(had to get another) i.e. every day they fill up with junk mail

I still think the original poster had a point

[vitualis]

Fair enough...

I've found (so far at least) that my "anti-spam" technique for my e-mail address (i.e., vitualis(at)michaeltam.com ) has worked quite well... I haven't gotten an spam as yet.

Regards.

[donpedro]

BTW .... Search does not always return what you would think that it should. Somtimes I found it difficult to find my posts that I know that I was using some words, but result is 0.

[Baldrick]

donpedro: the phpbb search is not the best and I have disabled some search features to make the site a bit faster. I'm trying to get google to index the forum so you can search from here www.vcdhelp.com/search but it don't want to google the posts only everything else.