Getting The Matrix On 1 700 MB CD-R

[timstumbo]

If anyone could help me with this by not bringing down the quality to much that would be great! Thanks for the help !

[flaninacupboard]

if your DVD supports Variable bitrate, you might just (just!) be able to do it. but the matrix is over 2 hours long, and really should be on 2 discs. or three if you're using SVCD.

[timstumbo]

Well 2 disc if fine really. So if anyone could explain how to do it that would be nice!

[flaninacupboard]

for god's sake!

stop asking stupid questions.

follow the guides, experiment, ask specific questions if you're totally stuck, and finally, learn the terminoligy! what the heck is a split screen DVD? and no, wide screen DVDs don't fill the screen, and cut screen isn't letterboxing!

[condone]

ummm i ripped Matrix as a DivX AVI in 1024kbps (1Mbps)FastMotion DivX video with 128kbps MP3 audio and the whole thing was like 620mb. I was shocked at first b/c the filesize seemed small, but quality was great, and i used a higher bitrate than the groups that did official releases. =) so unless u were using a REALLY high bitrate, i dunno what the problem was.

[homerpez]

You should be able to fit this movie on one disc IF you use 2-pass VBR (I would not use CQ_VBR, sinc eyou need a specific file size), AND "Sharpen Edge" in TMPGEnc, AND "Soften Block". I'm assuming you're knocking down the audio bitrate to at least 128k or 112k... if you're using 224k audio bitrate, forget it.

On a movie like the Matrix, though... and VCD... I actually would go to 2 CD's, put an hour on each one. Or even make an off-spec SVCD if your standalone can handle that... either way you should use 2-Pass, it's really the only way to get an exact (or close to exact) figure when fitting precisely to a disc. Use a calculator.

I personally always try to get 1 movie to 1 CD, always. But, with a movie with that degree of detailed action, I would recommend 2 discs on this one.

[MicoMan]

I plan to rip my Copy of The Matrix to SVCD tonight using DVDx and have a few questions.

1. There are five files with the total time of 2.16.13, Is it the first?

2. The frame rate seems to be 23.976 instead of the usual 29.97 for NTSC, Why?

3. Are they any other problems when riping this DVD I should know about?

All Help appreciated

[Hotskillz]

micoman DVDs are 23.976 FPS just like film. And use DVD 2 AVI and it will make a file that will link all of the files together

[neomaine]

Micoman,

Use smartripper to grab the movie first, it'll grab the right stuff for you (and save your dvd drive from DVDx). Then just use DVDx to create your SVCD from the rip. Already did this for for VCD and SVCD. Wicked simple.

Have a good one...

[MicoMan]

DVDx tells me the film is 23.976 but the extras are 29.97??

I did make an SVCD from a 5 min sample rip I did and an SVCD compliant file must be 29.97 with Nero? I turned off the compliance and it still played on my Mico DVD.

I prefer to rip direct from my drive than have all the DVD files on my computer.

[homerpez]

I would forget that, and RIP THE DVD TO YOUR COMPUTER!

After all, it's only temporary.

The reason the "Extras" are NTSC 29.97 is probably because they were produced at a TV studio instead, on equipment meant for TV output (NTSC). The movie itself is FILM rate, 23.976 frames.

If you rip to the hard drive, it allows you to get rid of VERY troublesome things, like the encription signal! Prevents lots of troubles down the line, let me tell you.

[Kdiddy]

cmon in all honesty..isnt THE MATRIX at least one movie that you SHOULD actually have on DVD??..SVCD & VCD do not do a movie like that any justice...cmon man, save ya self the headache & time..go drop a 20 on DVD for real..LOL

[homerpez]

I would tend to agree.

[Vejita-sama]

TV is 29.97fps interlace. Film is 23.976fps progressive. The problem is your TV CAN NOT show a 23.976fps movie. So you have to apply a 'filer' to make is 29.97fps. This is know as telecine or '3:2 pulldown.'

So when you play or rip the movie you'll get a 29.97fps source. If you want to get the movie back to 23.976 you need to apply an inverse telecine filter (aka IVTC). This will generate a 23.976fps progressive source. Encode that, and you'll get a 23.976fps MPEG. Apply pulldown again (or load the NTSC film template in MPEG which does it automatically) and you'll generate a playable 29.97fps MPEG which you can burn/play on your standalone.

IVTC takes a LOT of time (for me it doubles the encode time). So why do it? Well, you get a higher bitrate/frame at 23.976fps then 29.97fps:

23.976fps @2500kbit/s = 104.3kbit/frame
29.97fps @2500kbit/s = 83.4kbit/frame

so it's like upping the bitrate 25% for free (it takes no more space on the CDR).

[Kdiddy]

ok now that you totally confused by the above..

GO BUY THE DVD!,or if you are copying it for someone

tell them to, GO BUY THE DVD!...this movie is worth the 20 bucks..LOL, Matrix on 1 CD, that's sacreligious

[SatStorm]

Believe or not, I managed to fit the matrix movie in a simply 80min CD, with very good quality results...
Ofcourse, as usual, I ripped it from a satellite feed first...
I used both SxVCD and SeVCD templates, by tweeking a bit the settings...
You see, The Matrix is a very good action movie, but it is based on comics. So, It includes a lot of still scenes! The 70% of the movie, is still images! By using 2 Pass VBR and calculate the bitrate with those beautiful programs VCDhelp offer us for free, you can get amazing good results. With SxVCD template you have also no macroblocks!
The audio of the movie is the hard part. Don't use below 160 Stereo. With 128K/Joint stereo, you loosing a lot in this movie...
You can use ofcource and CQ_VBR, but put it to 40! Also use the "no motion search....".

This movie worth to buy it as DVD, so go buy it.
The only reason I turn it to sxvcd, is because of the joy to fit it on a cd, without huge quality loss! It was an experiment, as I did also with StarWars episode 1 (that was a faulure....)

[homerpez]

Glad to hear this worked out...

I'm still wondering sometimes what standard people use for how their VCD's, SVCD's look. Probably computer screens, or 90" HDTV's pasted to their wall...

I know for me, I made an SVCD-res disc, MPEG-2, with only 1080 AVG bitrate, 3-passes (CCE Encode). It looked as good as the DVD when played on my TV! No joke.

NO BLOCKS. NO ARTIFACTS. YOU COULD NOT TELL IT WASN'T THE DVD!

I've also done tons of VCD-res stuff in MPEG-1, with strikingly low AVG bitrates. Where if I sit back, I don't even notice the blocks! (though if I use TMPGEnc, there are always some, especially in dark scenes).

I seriously think the people who bother to do off-spec SVCD, VCD and are taking up 2-3 discs per movie, should re-examine their effort. If it's being played on a normal TV, you'd be suprised at how low a bitrate you can use, with 2 or 3 pass VBR encoding!

On a computer monitor, I've even run across DVD's that look like garbage. So I wonder why people are doing 6000k-9000k XSVCD's... it doesn't make sense!

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[MicoMan]

I have got a region 1 copy of the Matrix which was the first DVD I bought even before I had a DVD player!!

I was going to make my first SVCD with it but when I saw it was going to take my computer over 18 hours I went for VCD instead.

I ripped it as 23.976 and burned using Nero and it plays fine on my Mico DVD.

[hitechjunkie]

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This movie worth to buy it as DVD, so go buy it.
The only reason I turn it to sxvcd, is because of the joy to fit it on a cd, without huge quality loss! It was an experiment, as I did also with StarWars episode 1 (that was a faulure....)</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

what do u mean by failure? i just re-encoded my Phantom Menace VCD (2 discs) to one 80min disc (VBR XVCD) and was real pleased with the results. the only problem i had was with the levels on the audio stream. they are extremely high on the original PAL VCD and i had to bring them down quite a bit (6db cut) to prevent clipping.

[AntnyMD]

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I seriously think the people who bother to do off-spec SVCD, VCD and are taking up 2-3 discs per movie, should re-examine their effort. If it's being played on a normal TV, you'd be suprised at how low a bitrate you can use, with 2 or 3 pass VBR encoding!

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The short answer is "encoding time." Multiple passes take up a lot of valuable computer time. I agree, encoding with multiple passes yields very near excellent results, but I'd rather be watching my pirated movies rather than waiting days for it to pass, pass, and pass again.

That, and I don't have the right version of CCE.

That, and I'm just so impatient. It's a trade-off.