TMPGEnc Plus Question Setting For CVD

[hardwork12]

Trying to set up a template for myself to generate CVD encodings. This is what I have so far from help from many. I am not sure of any of this except it works but may not be set to give me the best quality for my effort. I am encoding captures from VirtualVCR the source is 8mm tapes (yes I know this is not great). I captured at 352x480 29.97FPS huffy 2.1.1 compression YUY2; no filters used.

VIDEO SETTINGS

Stream Type: MPEG2 Video

Size: 352x480

Rate Mode Control: 2-pass VBR(VBR) ; Ave Bitrate=2350; Max Bitrate=2520; Minimum Bitrate =1200; enable padding

VBV Buffer size: 40

Profile & level: Help alot of choices no idea what this does

Video Format: NTSC

Encode Mode: Non-Interlace

YUV format:4:2:0 (only choise)

DC component precision: No idea options 8/9/10 bits

Motion search precision: High Quality (slow)

Advanced:

Field order: Top Field first (field A)
Video arrange method: Full Screen
NO filters used

GOP Structure:

Used all defaults except set MAX number of frames in GOP to 18 (I think I read somewhere that this maintains DVD compatability)

SYSTEM:

MPEG-2(VBR) or MPEG-2 Super VideoCD (VBR) for CVD's

Any advice for settings or a good Template I can get somewhere tailored for CVD would be appreciated. I heighlighted a few items above that but actually i am not sure of any of the settings. I used the unlocked mode to set up the template.

THANKS ALL

[easydvd]

Look at these:

http://www.kvcd.net

[hardwork12]

I looked at the website and I can not find a template that looks like its tailored for a CVD. I want to make sure I maintain DVD compatibility.

Maybe one of those templates are what I need I just can't seem to find it.

Thanks

[hwoodwar]

Hardwork12:

There is one definite CVD template at KVCD.net and two that can easily be changed.

1. The SKVCD NTSCFilm is a CVD template. As it encodes at 352 x 480 in MPEG-2 format. The resolution change from 480 x 480 to 352 x 480 is the only real difference between the SVCD and CVD standard.

2. You could also try the KDVD Half D1, change the video bitrate and you would easily have another and possibly different (I haven't compared them) CVD template.

3. Lastly you could also try the KVCDX3 MPEG-2 template and change the resolution to 352 x 480.

Easydvd: I was here reading the thread and knew I could answer Hardwork12 easily, as the main format I use is CVD. Sorry, if I stole your "thunder".

[hardwork12]

I was playing with TMPGEnc plus and when you run the wizard there is a CVD encoding option at the bottom under other. I do not think this was there in the "FREE" non Plus version. The settings are similar to what I pieced together from many posts that i had shown above. The biggest difference is every post I read stated to De-interlace the encodeing but the TMPGEnc template for CVD interlaces.

I guess I don't know why one would interlace vs non-interlace. Most important to me is that I want to maintain DVD compatibility (for the future). In general I thought CVD, SVCD and DVD are interlaced. Any insight into this appreciated Interlace or not to interlace that is the question My objetive is for optimal TV viewing (My TV has a 480I capability) not PC viewing if that makes a difference.

These are the TMPGEnc setttings for CVD:
VIDEO SETTINGS

Stream Type: MPEG2 Video
Size: 352x480
Rate Mode Control: 2-pass VBR(VBR) ; Ave Bitrate=2350; Max Bitrate=2520; Minimum Bitrate =1200;
Enable padding
Max pass: 2 pass
P picture spoilage:0
B picture spoilage:20
VBV Buffer size: 40

Profile & level: Main Porfile & Main Level (MP@ML)

Video Format: NTSC

Encode Mode:INTERLACE

YUV format:4:2:0 (only choise)

DC component precision: 8 Bits

Motion search precision: High Quality (slow)

Advanced:

Field order: Top Field first (field A)
Video arrange method: Full Screen
NO filters used

GOP Structure (standard):
Number of I picture in GOP: 1
Number of P picture in GOP: 5
Number of B picture in GOP: 2
Output interval of sequence header: 1
MAX number of frames in a GOP: 18

Only thing checked is "Detect Scene Change"

SYSTEM:

MPEG-2Program (VBR)

[hwoodwar]

Hardwork12:

I agree with you on the interlaced thing. With the exception of a few posts in these forums, everyplace I have seen something on it says CVD and SVCD (I've never really looked into DVD as I don't plan on getting a DVD burner anytime soon) are interlaced. I use 2D Cleaner (in VirtualDub) from Jim Casaburi to clean up some of the video noise in my "avi's" before I send it to TMPGenc and I do check the interlaced video box.

Unfortunately, I do not really keep track of all the settings I use in TMPGenc as I have found that with a few modifications to Kwag's SKVCD template, I can produce what I consider a good quality CVD. After I have loaded the SKVCD template I: verify the deinterlace filter is off, set motion search precision to high or highest quality, change rate mode control to 2-pass VBR, then use 1000 minimum bitrate, 1700 to 2500 average (I adjust this to fill the CD and prefer to stay above 2000) and 3600 to 5000 (all 3 of my stand-alone DVD players work fine up to at least a 5500 video bitrate) for the maximum to try to get rid of any leftover macroblocks.

[adam]

Svcds, CVD, and Dvds support interlacing but do not require it. Since you are using a captured source your material is interlaced and there is probably no way to inverse telecine it back to 24fps progressive, which is ideal but unfortunately not possible with most captures.

So since your material is interlaced you want to set both the source and the output to interlaced for your SVCD, CVD, or DVD encodes.

[hardwork12]

hwoodwar

I will download the SKVCD template and compare to the TMPGEnc settings now I am curious. I will try the 2D cleaner and see what it does for me. Thanks for you continued input on many of my posts I am still new at this so some of my questions are dumb I am sure. Hope I can get to a point where I can help others. BTW: Do you use the Original version or the optimized version from the link I found for 2d cleaner http://shelob.mordor.net/dgraft/2dcleaner.html Also is the 0.6 version the latest it seems that was done back in 2000?

adam

I will interlace. Thanks

ALL

Will the CVD interlaced with the settings here be DVD compatible for a burn to DVD If I ever get a DVD burner (you know when the price is right). What I have learned in a month here would have been impossible without this forum..Tremendous effort by all and very much appreciated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: I compared the TMPEnc template for CVD and the SKVCD template. The differences are as follows. Would really like to know what these differences mean with regard to picture quality/smoothness of play and if I will maintain DVD compatibility.

Not Bold is TMPGEnc CVD and BOLD Is SKVCD template:

DC component precision: 8 Bits 10 bits
Rate Mode Control: 2-pass VBR(VBR) Automatic VBR (CQ_VBR) ; Ave Bitrate=2350 Does not apply; Max Bitrate=2520 2500; Minimum Bitrate =1200 300; Quality:35
VBV Buffer size: 40 112
Max pass: 2 pass does not seem to apply

GOP Structure (standard):
Number of I picture in GOP: 1 1
Number of P picture in GOP: 5 5828
Number of B picture in GOP: 2 3



Thanks again ALL!!!

[hardwork12]

This is Embarrassing but important to bring up so this thread does not confuse anyone

I was playing with TMPGEnc plus and when you run the wizard there is a CVD encoding option at the bottom under other. I do not think this was there in the "FREE" non Plus version. The settings are similar to what I pieced together from many posts that i had shown above

Well this quote, a statement I made, needs correction. I did not realize that when I saved a set of setting as a template in TMPGEnc this template shows up in the wizzard under other as a selection. So the CVD selection I said came with TMPGEnc was actually the one I piced together with the help of many of you.

So the real question then is which setting is best or at least what do the setting mean to the system:

DC component precision: 8 Bits or 10 bits

Rate Mode Control: 2-pass VBR(VBR) Ave Bitrate=2350; Max Bitrate=2520; Minimum Bitrate =1200 OR Automatic VBR (CQ_VBR) ;Max Bitrate=2500; Minimum Bitrate = 300; Quality:35

VBV Buffer size: 40 or 112 (I have no idea what a smaller vs a larger number means to the output)

GOP Structure (No idea what these mean to the output):
Number of I picture in GOP: 1 1 (same)
Number of P picture in GOP: 5 or 5828 (This is a big difference why so high?)
Number of B picture in GOP: 2 or 3

Unfortunately I can not play CVD or SCVD on my TV using my DVD player so since my CVD's are interlaced they will look horrible on the PC so I really don't know how they will look. I will try the video out on my geforce 2 GTS to a TV but the quality of this kind of playback may be bad no matter how good the encoded CVD is. The best I can do now is listen to experience.

Thanks all and sorry for the problems with my above posts

[kwag]

TNumber of P picture in GOP: 5 or 5828 (This is a big difference why so high?)

http://kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=643&highlight=signature&sid=797d64c4ce25ca02cf41ff3a6602cdf6

-kwag

[hardwork12]

kwag

OK now I have another question after reading through the link supplied and its "sub link".

The link states that:

It really can be any value above 12, because the MAX number of frames is restricted to 48 in the template.

When I look at the SKVCD template it has the MAX number of frames in a GOP set to 18 (not 48 ).

The reason this is important to me is that I want to maintain DVD compatibility with my CVD encodes. Just want to make sure.

Thanks