cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[goldfinger]

Hello all

I have a stupid question , but please help im still a newbie

what is the difference between Progressive & interlace movie ?
and how do i check it ?

and What is the best settings for each one ?

Hope anyone will help

Regards

Tom


Can anyone give us a good "guide" on this one?

Thanks


Anyway i love this program , please continue the great work chatwalker

a feature that could be nice in future versions , is a shut down function
like in dvd2svcd , it shut down the computer when it has ended the encoding process

Can anyone give us a quick "guide" on this one?

Thanks

[thxkid]

Ok if I don't use the Forcefilm pull down, some but not all DVD's come out fine, but if I use the Forcefilm mode my audio is off by about 10-15 seconds, I am sure thats because I don't do the 3:2 pulldown, can somebody tell me where I do the 3:2 pulldown from, I am useing infoedit and/or scenarists for arthoring.

[Frenetic24]

@klampe

Use bitrateviewer to view a ripped vob files to check if its progressive or interlaced

@thxkid

This has already been answered by Chatwalker, try searching for your question before answering it:

When you've used the 'ForceFilm'-Option you have to run pulldown.exe with the new encoded video to set the pulldownflags properly. Then your movie will have 110min instead of 91 min.
The commandline should look like this:

pulldown.exe Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v Pulldown.m2v

Now you can delete the file Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v and rename the file Pulldown.m2v to Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v. Complete the process with authoring.

In the future DVD2DVD-R will automate the complete process.

Regards
Chatwalker

P.S.: You will find Pulldown.exe in the Directory \DVD2DVDR\Pulldown

I prefer to do the pulldown within windows using a GUI interface. There are several available if you do a search with Google. One that I like is called GUI_Pulldown and can be found here

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/pulldown_gui.html

[goldfinger]

Should I use DC precision 8, 9 or 10?

If it is a progressive movie, should I then check: all 4 of them, upper, progressive, linear, zig zag ???

If it is a interlaced movie, should I only check: upper and linear ???

Is this correct?

Nice if someone could tell me what exactly to check "true" if it is a progressive and if it is a interlaced.

Thanks

Intra DC decision:

Specify the bit precision of the DC coefficient of the intra-block for the CCE encoder. You can choose: 8, 9 or 10 bits.

In general the optimum settings cannot be determined since changes depend on the details of the picture and movement intensity. For pictures with intensive movement and fine bumps, a low number of bits is appropriate. For smooth pictures with little movement, a higher number of bits is appropriate. A low number of bits should probably be specified if you are encoding a very long movie and are thus encoding with a relatively low average bitrate (say up to 4Mbps). To the contrary, and a high number of bits should be specified if you will be using a high high average bitrate.


CCE actually has an Auto option, but this doesn't appear to be implemented in DVD2DVD-R. If Chatwalker includes this later you can select it instead of specifying 8, 9 or 10 bits. With Auto, the precision varies according to quantization scale.

Hope this adds a little more to your knowledge on how to set DVD2DVD-R

Field order also known as Upper field first
Specify whether the upper field or the lower field is displayed first when the encoded stream is displayed on an NTSC monitor. This setting can be done in the video setting screen.

If Upper field first is selected, the upper field is displayed first.
Whether this should be selected depends on the configuration of the original file to be encoded, but if this is uncertain, select upper field. If this setting is incorrect, the movement of a encoded video will be jerky.

If you want to check whether DVD2DVD-R has set this correctly try using bitrateviewer.

Linearquantizer scale
There are two types of quantization scales: linear and non-linear. Linear quantization scale is a method used for MPEG, where the quantization scale is allocated linearly. To set the linear quantization scale, select Linear quantization scale in the video settings screen. However, the nonlinear quantization scale is recommended unless there is a special reason.

Zigzag scanning order
If Zigzag scanning order is selected in the video settings screen, zigzag scan is used when sequencing DCT coefficients. This is a scan pattern used for MPEG. For progressive images, zigzag scan may achieve high image quality.

Generally, for interlace pictures, alternate scan often achieves high image quality compared with zigzag scan.

Progressive frames
When an original picture to be encoded is a progressive image, select Progressive frames in the video settings screen. Again, you can trust DVD2DVD-R or if you wish check with bitrateviewer.

Some software decoders which run on PCs execute image output by progressive frames by executing interlace/progressive conversion. If Progressive frame is selected for the stream when the source is a progressive picture, some decoders do not execute the above conversion,
and will output high quality pictures at high-speed. For a combination of some DVD players and a corresponding monitor, a high quality image is output if the image output is displayed not by interlace but by progressive frame. Basically, if you start with progressive then re-encode with progressive.

Cheers

[dc91gt]

this software is absolutely great.

good job.

-d

[Revilo]

@robw

The problem with authoring a pulldown file in ifoedit is that ifoedit doesn't seem to recognize the pulldown flags. Ignoring these, you end up with a movie that plays 30 frames in the time it should play 24, hence your total movie time is .8 what it should be. The entire movie is there, but it is playing too fast, you just may not realize it unless you pay close attention. If you check the original ifo file vs the authored ifo file, you will see that the total frames for the authored file is .8 the total frames of the original. I have yet to find a way to fix this, except authoring with a different program. If anyone has an idea to fix this enlighten us please.

Revilo

The problem with IfoEdit looks more severe than I expected. I took a film tonight. First I ripped it, stripping some unneeded audio tracks and subtitles. Then authored this file with IfoEdit. To my suprise this file was much shorter than the original (1:06:44.21 versus 1:23:22.23). I took a look at the two ifo files: the original and the newly created one by IfoEdit. There too you could see the difference in file length. I next looked at the chapters to see if they were the same length. In fact they were the same length up to a point. IfoEdit had authored only 17 chapters while the original film was 21 chapters!

Next I took the same elementary streams (video and audio) and created chapter data with ChapterXtractor. I then authored the DVD in Maestro. It came out perfectly, 1 hour 23 minutes.

To be sure of this I would like to repeat everything again, but I think I went through this carefully. Looks like IfoEdit has some problems ...

[dc91gt]

Last night I ran dvd2dvdr on goldmember (austin powers)

no re-encode needed since movie + audio is less the 4 gb.

then i loaded the output files in IfoEdit .95 following the below steps
posted earlier in this thread:

1. start - IfoEdit 0.95

2. Select - 'DVD Author' -> 'Author new DVD'

3. in the field 'video' enter the path to the file 'Video_0xE0_NEW.M2V'

4. in the field 'Audio' the paths to the files 'Checked_Audio_0x.XX

5. in the field 'Scene Changes/Chapters' the path to the file 'CellTimes. txt'

6. in the field 'Destination' a path to a file 'VIDEO_TS', generated will should in that the DVD

7. Click 'OK'

8. click 'Save'

9. Close - IfoEdit

10. Start - IfoEdit

11. click 'Open' and select the new place file 'VTS_01_0.IFO'

12. click 'Get VTS Sectors'

The movie plays back fine if I just let it run --- however, if I Fast forward or chap advance it plays for like 3 seconds and then the video freezes.

I'd burned this on 3 different media types:

Ritek G3 (not the 7's, but the P's meritline has)
Princo VX
Lead Data (ata 100 sig ones)

Player is a Pioneer C503 (rated #3 or #4 on here)


Is this a media problem? or did i screw something up in the process?
It seems odd the movie plays perfectly, but locks up when i FF or chap adv...

thanks

[dc91gt]

Looks like my problem is not media or player related...

I just found a true DVD5 movie (War Games - 4.3GB).

Did a rip all in smart ripper and then loaded up the VIDEO_TS
in nero and burned it to these lead data cheapo discs...

I can fast forward, chap advance, etc.. no problem...

so i must have screwed something up in IFOEdit -- or those instructions weren't right...

Can someone please list the exact instructions one needs to do in IFOEdit
after DVD2DVD-R is finished doing it's work?

Assuming using Nero as the burning software -- and not creating an image file in Ifoedit (my complains about not finding imgdll.dll or something when I try it anyhow).

Thanks!

[-BK-]

You open IfoEdit.
Push OPEN-button and select ORIGINAL.IFO.
In the top window in IfoEdit select ORIGINAL.IFO, find VTS_PGCITI and select PGC_1.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color.
Choose Copy Colors from this PGC.
Select new VTS_01_0.IFO you made with DVD2DVD-R in IfoEdit's top window and select PGC_1 in VTS_PGCITI.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color and select Paste Colors to this PGC.
Push SAVE-button and OK to save new BUP-file.

Close IfoEdit.
Restart IfoEdit.

Push OPEN-button and select new VTS_01_0.IFO.
Push Get VTS Sectors-button. Hit OK in the new pop-up windows.
When done: quit IfoEdit.

Now make sure all the files are in a folder called VIDEO_TS. Burn this folder into root of DVD-R. Also put an empty AUDIO_TS folder in DVD-R's root for compatibility with stand-alones...

-BK-

http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R (DVD-movie-backup-tutorials in Dutch)

[dc91gt]

You open IfoEdit.
Push OPEN-button and select ORIGINAL.IFO.
In the top window in IfoEdit select ORIGINAL.IFO, find VTS_PGCITI and select PGC_1.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color.
Choose Copy Colors from this PGC.
Select new VTS_01_0.IFO you made with DVD2DVD-R in IfoEdit's top window and select PGC_1 in VTS_PGCITI.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color and select Paste Colors to this PGC.
Push SAVE-button and OK to save new BUP-file.

Close IfoEdit.
Restart IfoEdit.

Push OPEN-button and select new VTS_01_0.IFO.
Push Get VTS Sectors-button. Hit OK in the new pop-up windows.
When done: quit IfoEdit.

Now make sure all the files are in a folder called VIDEO_TS. Burn this folder into root of DVD-R. Also put an empty AUDIO_TS folder in DVD-R's root for compatibility with stand-alones...

-BK-

http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R (DVD-movie-backup-tutorials in Dutch)

I assume this is after I go thru the IfoEdit Steps of "DVD Author" to re-mux the video,audio, etc right?

thanks

[-BK-]

Indeed, you're right.

So this is it:

After encoding you get these files:

1° Video_0xE0_NEW.M2V (one or more videostreams, those you selected in DVD2DVD-R)
2° Checked_Audio_0x??_????????.??? (one or more audiostreams, those you selected in DVD2DVD-R)
3° Subtitle_0x2?_????????.SUP (one or more subtitlestreams, those you selected in DVD2DVD-R)
4° CellTimes.txt
5° ORIGINAL.IFO (the original IFO-file)

Start up IfoEdit 0.95 (or higher ).

Push DVD Author-button and select Author new DVD.

- In the field Video, type the path to Video_0xE0_NEW.M2V.
- In the field Audio, type the path to Checked_Audio_0x??_????????.???.
- Select each audiostream once and select its language in the Dropdownlist on the left.
- Leave Audiodelay = 0 (this is being corrected by DVD2DVD-R itself).
- In the field Subpicture, type the path to Subtitle_0x2?_????????.SUP.
- Select each subtitlestream once and select its language in the Dropdownlist.
- In the field Scene Changes/Chapters, type the path to CellTimes.txt.
- In the field Destination, type the destination directory.
- Push OK.

After Multiplexing DVD Title Set is done; do the following:

Open IfoEdit.
Push OPEN-button and select ORIGINAL.IFO.
In the top window in IfoEdit select ORIGINAL.IFO, find VTS_PGCITI and select PGC_1.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color.
Choose Copy Colors from this PGC.
Select new VTS_01_0.IFO you made with DVD2DVD-R in IfoEdit's top window and select PGC_1 in VTS_PGCITI.
Go to IfoEdit's submenu Subtitle Color and select Paste Colors to this PGC.
Push SAVE-button and OK to save new BUP-file.

Close IfoEdit.
Restart IfoEdit.

Push OPEN-button and select new VTS_01_0.IFO.
Push Get VTS Sectors-button. Hit OK in the new pop-up windows.
When done: quit IfoEdit.

Now make sure all the files are in a folder called VIDEO_TS. Burn this folder into root of DVD-R. Also put an empty AUDIO_TS folder in DVD-R's root for compatibility with stand-alones...

-BK-

[dc91gt]

BK -

Thanks for that complete guide. I appreciate it.

I followed that to a T.

I just did another burn on a movie that is double layer disc - but the movie is less then 4 gig, so no encoding required.

dvd authored to a \VIDEO_TS directory off the root, ran ifoedit again, picked up the vectors and it re-wrote the ifo file, etc.. however i didn't do the sub color fix.

loaded it into nero 5.5.9.17, DVD - movie , dumped all the stuff that was newly placed by Ifoedit 095 into the video_ts directory, nothing in the audio and burned.

I got the same problem now as before in my set top player:

If I just "play it" and don't do anything else.. it works perfectly.. and will play to completion...

however, if I do a chapter advance, it'll jump to the next chapter but then play for 3-4 seconds and then freeze up.

I'm starting to think that either DVD2DVDR or IFOedit is screwing up the time markers or something... just doesn't make sense.. because it's not the player or the media. That true DVD5 straight rip -> burn (war games) on the same media doesn't exhibit this problem.

thanks
d

edit:

I'm looking at a original.ifo and the one i burned and noting some odd differences:

PGC_1

original: 1hr 24m 20 sec / 30 FPS - Programs 28 - Cells 28

burned : 1hr 7m 30sec / 30 FPS - Programs 24 - Cells 24

Thats a big difference in total movie time and cells....

Do I need to add 3:2 flags manually on non-reencode? I thinking I have to....

[-BK-]

When you authored the DVD, did you select CELLTIMES.TXT ???

And burning with Nero as a Data-DVD using UDF/ISO?

Sorry, I don't see the answer myself

-BK-

[Frenetic24]

@dc91gt

I suspect its an issue with your dvd player, if you really want to know, try it in a friends dvd player, if it does the same chapter freeze issue, then your disc was not properly authored, or your dvd player does not like that brand of media, did you burn it in udf mode at 1x for your movie?

@bk

Your new instructions are good only if you have subtitles, otherwise they are completely useless, all they do is copy the original color of the subtitles for your new ifo file, thats it, it is not necessary if you dont have any subtitles. And it will not affect playback whatsoever.

[Antonio S.]

Revilo said:

"The problem with authoring a pulldown file in ifoedit is that ifoedit doesn't seem to recognize the pulldown flags. Ignoring these, you end up with a movie that plays 30 frames in the time it should play 24, hence your total movie time is .8 what it should be. The entire movie is there, but it is playing too fast, you just may not realize it unless you pay close...

"This is completely wrong!!!

Ifoedit is not suppose to recognize the pulldown flags. These flags are recognize by your mpeg decoder in the stand along player to upconvert the framerate from 23.976 to 29.97 fps.
I had use pulldown.exe with Ifoedit 0.95 a lot of times, succesfully !!!

So I think your problem must be in other procedure...

What OS, DVD2DVDR version, and other programs are you using?

Antonio S.

[dc91gt]

@dc91gt

I suspect its an issue with your dvd player, if you really want to know, try it in a friends dvd player, if it does the same chapter freeze issue, then your disc was not properly authored, or your dvd player does not like that brand of media, did you burn it in udf mode at 1x for your movie?

Well, I don't think it's the player media anymore... given that I did a smart ripper "all" on a 4.37 gb movie (war games) and just burned that
VIDEO_TS folder as is - and the next chapter and FF freeze didn't occur.
So there was no demux/remux done (dvd2dvd-r wasn't used).

What I'm curious about is the movie length difference between the original ifo and the newly created one.. it's off by some 20 minutes.

I'm doing a test right now (1x media, so it's taking a while)...

but if dvd2dvd-r says "no re-encoding required" then you don't have
access to the encoding screen - or ability to force film in dv2avi. The DV2AVI process didn't have force film on..

So I just re-ripped the movie (which doesn't require encoding to fit btw - sweetest thing), but turned on the always encode option, so I could enable it, then ran pulldown on the m2v afterward.

It's burning right now, so we'll see the results in a bit. However, inspecting the ifo file before hand, at the least the number of cells now matches the original ifo.. the movie length is still short... however. Before both the # of cells was short by 4 and the length.

-d

[Wookie]

Download for CCE 2.5

http://www.dvdguru.net/download_files.php?id=7

[Wookie]

Download for CCE 2.5

http://www.dvdguru.net/download_files.php?id=7

[BPS]

i hit ok to install and it throws up some kind of error during attempted install....i dunno if anyone can help just let me know...maybe i need a german translation book...lol....im goin to try and figure it out somehow..i tried downloading windows updates from microsoft for xp service package 1 but nothing yet......thanks, rnoski

Most instalattion problems are due to 'missing' software.
This program requires dvd2avi, ifoedit, cce etc installed on system prior to its installation --- otherwise it comes up with errors!!!


Hope this helps.

BTW, i am using WinXP pro with no problems.

[Chatwalker]

Hi all

DVD2DVD-R will install all needed programs except CinemaCraft Encoder 2.50.

Regards
Chatwalker

[Chatwalker]

Hi folks

Our site is back until 12.01.2002. Our provider (EVANZO/LEVANZO) canceled the contract because we produce to much traffic.

I've just uploaded a new Version (1.3.3) which now have full control over CCE. When CCE has finished, DVD2DVD-R will close CCE and execute pulldown automatically if needed. Also there is a new shutdown-function.

Regards
Chatwalker

[-BK-]

Nice update & finally back online

Tnx Chat!

I want to add the following to the short time DVDs that IfoEdit is creating from films that are using "force film" and pulldown.

I took a previous DVD that ran on my standalone that has a run time of 100 minutes. The original DVD has a run time of 120 minutes. The 100 minute DVD was made using DVD2DVD-R version 1.3.2 using the "force film" option and subsequently returned to 29.97fps using pulldown.exe. The final files were authored with IfoEdit.

I carefully examined this DVD ... it contains all the chapters ... nothing appears to be missing ... just running too fast ... audio is in syc and clear.

I took this previous DVD and ran it back through DVD2DVD-R to strip the VOBs to elementary streams (audio and viedo). Then I made my own chapters file using ChapterXtractor and finally I authored with DVDMaestro. The final DVD structure was now 120 minutes, same as the original movie DVD but 20 minutes longer than the IfoEdit authored structure.

[NYPlayer]

@ChatWalker

DVD2DVD-R 1.3.3, Starts CCE but does not start the encoding process.

It does everything through the DVD2AVI then it starts CCE but it just sits there nothing happens. I had no problems with Previous Versions.

[KaoS]

To anyone that can help me.

I am trying to do the Band Of Brothers DVDs. I would like to keep both Episodes on one DVD-R

So far what I have done is used DVD2DVDR to rip each episode (and I encoded them both a bit smaller so they could both fit on one DVD-R)

Now I have 2 directories that each have the appropriate episode (m2v files) with their Audio file and their celltimes file

What do I need to do now to get this on one DVD? I do have IfoEdit and SpruceUp

Can you do me a favor and if you tell me steps to take in IfoEdit, can you tell me why I am doing them? I think that part of the problem I am having is that people just say "do this this and this" and since I have no clue why I am doing them or what it is accomplishing, it is hard to learn and understand

Any help is appreciated.. I think I will make a guide for this once I am done because I know there are alot of people out there that are having problems like I am

Thanks

[-BK-]

I guess renaming the VOB's in the second DIR and put them in the first DIR with the other VOB's.
Then create a new IFO-file in IfoEdit and don't forget to hit Get VTS Sectors (in a second startup of IfoEdit).

-BK-