cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[sfxwe]

@joepic

Yes I am going to use Maestro........

[sfxwe]

Ok V1.4.4 is a no go.... I did SPR and the audio is actually ahead of the video lol. Back to V1.3.5 we go............

[dhluke]

@sfxwe

Dude, I think that looks like a pulldown problem... If the audio is ahead, that probably means there are extra frames on the video... Maybe I'm wrong... but if you could tell us if you used the "drop_frame" m2v or just a m2v with pulldown flags...


dhluke

[sfxwe]

I checked all the boxes, as I wanted to add subs...... . On the other DVDs I did with V1.3.5, I used pulldown with dropflag and progressive, and the audio sync'd. Maybe my ears were wrong, but I swear the audio was 1st then the video..... I will check again later, lol, I am tired of messing with DVD2DVDr for the night, lol........

[sfxwe]

Anyone else have any info on V1.4.4 or am I the only one that has tried it?

[ArrogantBastard]

@sfxwe

Haven't tried it yet. Your post has not encouraged me to give it a try any time soon.

Sorry.
AB

[rob w]

haven't tried 1.4.4 but see there are lots of issues based on Chatwalkers board. Also, 1.4.4 did not address the sync issue so it must not be fixed.

I am happy using DVD2SVCD which makes perfect DVD-Rs everytime. Very nice program ...

[Dr_Vitez]

Out of all this topic
i have question for all of you
i have lots of material on VHS and MINI DV
i need to make this to be in DVD format (VIDEO_TS)

thanx in advance

Dr_Vitez

[wayned16]

u wanna take that over to the capturing topic, thanks.

[rdalcanto]

Pulldown.exe?!?
I don't remember where I got my guide for DVD2DVDR, but it made no mention of programs other than DVD2DVDR, CCE, and IFOEdit/Scenarist. I can't get any of the recent versions of DVD2DVDR to work and I'm wondering if it is because I need another program like pulldown.exe. Do I? How do you use it?

Thanks,
Rick

[ArrogantBastard]

Pulldown is a command line program that embeds various flags into the mpeg-2 stream. The most common one is the adding of 3:2 pulldown flags which are required to turn a NTSC 23.976 stream into a 29.976 strea.

Pulldown also has the ability to mark every frame as progressive or remove (or add) drop_frame flags. There are other flags but those are the most common. Pulldown also has a GUI version and you can locate both in the tools section on this website.

The latest versions of DVD2DVD-R come with pulldown and the flags can be automatically executed based on the DVD2DVD-R parameters that you set. If you are an NTSC user... The last 10 versions or so have had a problem with the audio sync. Many of us are trying to debug it now.

I hope this helps you a little. You should do a search for pulldown if you want to know more about the flags.

Thanks
AB

[rdalcanto]

AB,
So what you are saying is that I don't need any other programs, such as pulldown.exe, because DVD2DVDR is supposed to do everything - right?

I got version 1.3.2 thanks to the kind soul on this site that put them on his page. That version worked perfectly on Spiderman (NTSC), and gave me a 4.3Gb movie with Audio that was perfect, using IFOEdit! At least I have a copy of DVD2DVDR that works now

Thanks again,
Rick

[sfxwe]

@rdalcanto

You can't use IFO Edit ......... well ya can with certian DVD players, but you would be asking for trouble. You will still also need to run pulldown again seperatley from DVD2DVDr to get a correct mpeg file. You should read like the last 10 pages on this thread. Just my opinion though .

[rdalcanto]

MAN! That took a while! The answer to many of the questions was in pages 3-10 of this thread. Here is the new problem, I need DVDmaestro, but they don't make it any more? Where can I get it?

Thanks,
Rick

[ArrogantBastard]

@rdalcanto

I am assuming that you found all your answers on pulldown and the IFOEdit issues with NTSC DVD's. If not just let me know.

You are correct DVDMaestro is no longer sold. Apple purchased the company and then killed the product. There are actually plentry of copies floating around the internet and on various peer-to-peer networks. These are ILLEGAL so please do not ask anyone to help you find them. That is a big NO-NO on these boards.

Your alternatives are really limited. Scenarist seems to be the most flexible but also the most expensive. There used to be a poll out there on what everyone is using so you could try looking there for advice.

I wish you luck.
AB

[strangezero]

Sorry to hear that 1.4.4 still has problems with ntsc movies... but i have a question for pal people....

I still use 1.3.2 version for pal dvd's....

Should i use 1.4.4????
Does it work ok with pal movies or it has problems with pal as well?????

Please reply..

Thank you

[mosh]

@strangezero

i am using 1.4.4 for PAL and it has no probs whatsoever.

[destrozeitor]

Same here. Pal movies works great with 1.44, and rip speed is normal again.
The authored files can be burned directily without any complains (vts sectors, subtitle colour, etc...).

Using CCE 2.50, imgtool and nero for burning images.

I hope that this version will last on my hard disk. 8)

[strangezero]

Thanx for the replies.....

So i guess it's time to replace my 1.3.2 with 1.4.4


Thank you

[rdalcanto]

I found the same interesting result others have.... If you use 1.3.2, check pulldown, DON'T use pulldown.exe, and use IFOEdit (Video at 23fps) - the movie plays perfectly with the clock on the DVD player running slower than real time (actual movie speed checked with stopwatch). I'm worried about compatibility with other DVD players however, so I will be giving DVDMaestro a try, even though that process seems a lot more complicated....

Rick

[ArrogantBastard]

@rdalcanto

Actually using DVDMaestro is really easy. Compared to Scenarist it is a breeze. Start simple. Delete the Menu. Import the video and audio into Maestro. Double click on Movie 1. Add on the the movie and audio into the timeline. Add the chapters. Then click on connection and add chapter 1 to be at first play.

I know this is ambiguous, but look for the DVDMaestro guide on Doom9. If you have problems just let us know or private message me. Make sure you post your Authoring questions in the right forum.

Good luck and test your processes on a RW disc first.
AB

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

I have seen references to individuals having success on NTSC films when the remove the first cell. That cell is usually the opening credits. Could it be possible that the first cell is in MPEG-1 or interlaced or something else crazy that MPEGDecoder can not handle?

I will be testing this over the next few days. Anybody else testing out there or has everyone given up.

AB

[ArrogantBastard]

Guess What...

I got a working copy NTSC using 1.4.3 and I think I can get one using 1.4.4. What did I do? Well I manually changed MPEG2 Plugin in the Avisynth script. It looks like MPEGDECODER.DLL does something slightly different than the MPEG2DEC3.DLL.

So here are the details...

I checked the first chapter to see if I could create a smaller test case and sure enough... The first chapter (for me at least) was the one throwing things off. Other chapters where perfectly in sync, but the first chapter was the one throwing everything off. The only thing I could find different between the two is that Chapter 1 shows as interlaced and the other chapters show as progressive.

That got me to thinking that there is something in the mpeg-2 stream of the first chapter that MPEGDECODER.DLL can not handle. I searched Doom9 and really haven't found anything. So taking a blind chance I swapped out the decoder with MPEG2DEC3.DLL

This seems to do the trick. The audio was perfectly in sync... But here are a few observations.

1. You have to make the changes to the avi script LAST. Select the movie and all the options then change the script. The avi script resets itself with every change to the option, so if you don't do the manual updates last they will get overwritten.

2. You have to change all three lines of the script. The plugin has to be changed with the new plugin. The MPEGSOURCE has to be changed to an MPEG2SOURCE with NO options. And the third line needs to be removed.

3. I had a speed decrease of about 10%. Which sucks if you ask me, but what am I going to do.

4. If you are going to try this... Do it on a small test file that you know doesn't work with the regular decoder. I took me 4 tries to get everything manually corrected.

5. If you cancel the job. Close and restart DVD2DVD-R. It seems that a memory parameter does not get reset and you will get an out of memory error when it attempts to do the audio check. Then you have to start all over.

I hope this helps some. I have other things to try but for now I have it working. I am also going to try and package this up for Nic, the author of MPEGDECODER.DLL, to see if he can find the difference in his code and Marc's.

Thanks to all...
AB

[joepic]

AB

Thank you very much for your effects in tracking down the audio sync problem for NTSC films.

I hope Chatwalker will now fix this in his next release by either chaniging his MPEG decoder or getting the problem fixed with his current decoder.

I will continue using 1.3.4 until this issue is resolved.

Thanks again

[ArrogantBastard]

@joepic

I think this is outside of Chatwalkers code. The MPEGDECODER that he uses is written by someone else. Although maybe he could provide a check box to select which decoder to use.

Thanks for the idea. I will pass it along to Chatwalker.
AB

[defense]

Arrogant Bastard, how did you edit the avisynth script? What did you use to open the avisytnth.dll file? I think now that i'm experimenting and reading your post, I understand more of what you are saying.

Basically, after the movies options are selected you open the avisynth script which is the avisynth.dll file, right? Then you edit the LAST three lines of the script, right? The very last line needs to be COMPLETELY deleted, right? Now, this is where I get a little confused.

First, let me ask you where you get the avisynth script you changed with the one that came with version 1.4.3 of DVD2DVDR. I'm assuming you just cut the one from version 1.3.5 of DVD2DVDR,..is that right? I am using version 1.3.2, and there are TWO different .dll files in the MpegDecoder folder, as opposed to ONLY one in version 1.4.4 of DVD2DVDR.

Once I know the answer to that, the other two questions I have pertain to the FIRST two lines of the avisynth script. Exactly what are we supposed to change, and how? Are you saying to just "rename" the script so it reflects the new avisynth.dll? When you get a chance, please let me know. Thanks in advance

[rdalcanto]

I got tired of waiting for a working version, so I used the DVD2 DVDR guide on this site that uses TMPGE and it worked great! What I want to know is if you guys think there is a difference in quality between TMPGE and CCE? I know the former takes a lot longer....

Thanks,
Ricdk

[ArrogantBastard]

@defense

Here are more details on what I did.

First I went to www.avisynth.org and downloaded the MPEG2DEC3 decoder for avisynth version 2.0x. I then put the file MPEG2DEC3.DLL in the same directory that the MPEGDECODER.DLL is in. That is a subdirectory in DVD2DVD-R.

Next I load my DVD into the drive and select the PGC that I want and then I go to the MPEG Encoder tab and set the options that I want. I always check Progressive, ZigZag, Upper Field, Force Film and 2:3 Pulldown.

After all that is done I can change the avisynth script. The script that DVD2DVD-R creates looks like the following:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD2DVD-R 1.4.3\MPEGDecoder\MPEGDecoder.dll")
MPEGSource("C:\JAY_SILENT_BOB1_23.03.2003_12.00\Vi deo_0xE0.M2V",0,"ff")
ResampleAudio(44100)

I manually edit this in large text box at the bottom of the MPEG Encoder tab. This text box will only show if you have the Expert-Mode checked in the settings tab. I change the script to look like the following.

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD2DVD-R 1.4.3\MPEGDecoder\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\JAY_SILENT_BOB1_23.03.2003_12.00\V ideo_0xE0.D2V")

From there I click GO and come back four to five hours later. So for the most part it is not difficult, but you have to think a little because if you screw up the editing of the avisynth script, you have to start all over again. I am using 1.4.3 of DVD2DVD-R for now. I know 1.4.4 is faster at ripping but I have been reading that the 2.08 version of avisyth has problems with CCE 2.5. I know that DVD2DVD-R version 1.4.4 uses the 2.08 version of avisynth so I have been hesitant to upgrade.

I hope this helps decipher what I was saying before. Let me know if you have any questions. I have already done 2 DVD's and am working on my third.

Thanks,
AB

[rob w]

good job AB

A small suggestion that may simplify things until there is a permanent fix from Chatwalker.

Delete the file MPEGDECODER.DLL. THen rename MPEG2DEC3.DLL to MPEGDECODER.DLL . Now use DVD2DVD-R as usual.

Hope this works. I will try it later today

[ArrogantBastard]

@rob w

Let us know how it works. I never tried that and I am in the middle of encoding now. You may hit a couple of snags though.

1. The MPEGSOURCE statement has to be changed to MPEG2SOURCE.

2. You can't pass the additional parameters in that statement. (See example above).

3. You have to read the D2V file not the M2V file.

But if you can get it working please let us know. It is kind of a pain to have to manually edit the script. I wish we could set a default script or have Chatwalker add an option on which decoder to use.

Keep us up to date. Thanks,
AB