cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[babaji]

@ defense

You want somebody to be your personal information supplier on this forum and it isn't gonna happen.

no but i do have some questions from time to time. i think i read more than 800 posts 3 times and made dozens of backups by reading posts from other helpful users like joepic and rob w before i ever posted once. and i just had a question about the differences between versions. And then you decided to disapline me. ooops and I did repeat my question once I am very sorry, i hope i didn't clog up your server too badly. Wouldnt it be a shame if people couldnt see your posts because i repeated a question.

t's a forum where people help each other

funny.... i have bumped into a lot of your posts and i have even managed to see one where u actually helped someone boost up his ripping speed on his lite-on, that was very kind of you. but to be honest most of what i have seen coming from you is not very kind or helpful, in fact most posts from you seem to be very mean spirited and angry

That's why I finally decided to be the person who responded to your idiot, repetitive post, because noone else would.

actually i think you replied to my post because you saw the opportunity to rant and rave at some one new

do you feel superior yet?

[defense]

babaji, i'm not gonna continue to respond to your posts, because they are ignorant. Bump more of my posts up, i've helped plenty of people on this forum, even more so then I've gotten help. If I see posts with no replies in more then a day, I answer them if I know I can help the person.. unless they are the braindead type that people like you ask, and which SHOULD be read prior to posting to begin with.

Last but not least, I don't need to feel superior on a computer. I enjoy backing up DVD's and I enjoy this site, and people who live in fantasy world and who ask brain-dead questions are the ones I feel sorry for. You know the people i'm talking about, right?


This quote says it all:

i think i read more than 800 posts 3 times

So if I can count correctly, you have read 2400 posts or so, and you STILL ask the "my brain is on life support" questions. That really makes you look bad, because I didn't think someone could actually be that dumb. To read THAT MANY posts, and still ask brain dead questions like you. Wow

[TeFLoN]

Gotta admit, this is pretty entertaining "defense". Your name fits.

[sfxwe]

Ok, back to DVD BU's.......

@rob w....... I have read the thread and small guide on DVD2SVCD......
I would love to LEARN more about it for DVD BU, not svcd BU.

Will this method (DVD2SVCD) work with subs, meaning will I have to ripp subs manually with SubRip or can DVD2SVCD automate it for me?

Question 2, will DVD2SVCD automate the authoring process and burning too?

Question 3, can u tell us how to disable bbmpeg and tell us your settings?


I have used DVD2SVCD once and it seemed like a really cool program, then I found this thread and have used DVD2DVDr since. I think it is time for me to learn another program, will you helps us?

Sorry to hear about any probs in your personal life, I hope it all works out for ya bro.

Please let us know if you can help some of us with our frustration.......

Thanks.......

[babaji]

@sfxwe


SUBS


Hey good question I was wondering that same thing. !it's got a sub feature built into it but i have a feeling it's geared towards the creation of SVCDs wether we could use the files it creates or extract our own from the vobs it extracts, i dunno sounds tricky. The fact that it was left out of the dvd tutorial seems to tell me it wont be easy. I think that syncing the subs will be an issue.

Automatic Burning and Authoring

I doubt it.

[wayned16]

i was just wondering if u want me to host versions 1.3.2, 1.3.4 and 1.3.5 on my site? i also have 1.4.2. so let me know.

[TeFLoN]

Can anyone help with this error? Here is the log...it has done this for EVERY version of DVD2DVR for me. It says "ACCESS DENIED".

10:45:34 PM checking Filesystem...OK
10:45:34 PM checking free Diskspace for ripping...OK
10:45:34 PM checking free Diskspace for encoding...OK
10:45:34 PM checking free Diskspace for pulldown...OK
10:45:34 PM checking Outputfolder...OK
10:45:34 PM checking Outputfile...OK
10:45:34 PM updating PTS-Values... OK

*** IfoEdit-Mode ***

10:45:35 PM starting RIP
11:21:13 PM finished RIP
11:21:13 PM starting Audiocheck
11:22:25 PM finished Audiocheck
11:22:25 PM searching for DVD2AVI and Plugin... OK
11:22:25 PM updating Registry for DVD2AVI...
11:22:25 PM ERROR

Thats as far as I have ever gone with this proggy.

tef

[babaji]

@wayned16

i would find that most useful could you post links please

@teflon

just a guess i'm no guru

it seems to hang trying to update registry?
maybe it means system registry?
are u running winxp or win2k? If you are you may need to be running an "ADMIN" account in order for it to mess with the registry.

just a guess for what its worth.

[wayned16]

here ya go then

http://kickme.to/dvd2dvdr

please dont abuse, its my own personal web space.

[TeFLoN]

BABAJI

I am running Windows XP Pro, and I am admin. Any other ideas? I installed avisynth previously and vfapi. Could that be the problem?

TEF

[babaji]

@teflon

Sorry mate that was my best guess maybe someone else can help you with that.

myself when i cant figure stuff out i just re-install windows but for me it no big deal i dont have anyfileson my HD that i am particularly attached to and thus i really wouldn't have to spend too much time backing stuff up.

Hey sometimes it works!

But try a search u never know, it might be common.

[sfxwe]

@TeFLoN

I don't know about your error, try doing a search in this thread and see if you come up with something, as I thought one other person had the same problem. You said all versions do this? Have you tried different DVDs too?


@babaji

Ya, I doubt it would author and burn, but ya never know maybe someone has modified it? Also the version in the guide is older than the newer versions, maybe the author has changed something.

@rob w

I also remember reading that it didn't support DTS. So how would we work around that?


@ALL

What do you guys pick when there are 2 audio tracks, one being ac3 and the other DTS? And why?

[sfxwe]

Just a hint to help some people search in this thread, I use this method alot, hope it helps you.

1. While reading this thread, and wanting to search for something, go to the top of the page.

2. Find the link on the right side at the top just above the thread page numbers.

3. Click on the link that says Printer-friendly version, this opens a ONE page with every post.

4. Goto Edit > Find on the IE task bar and put in your search word, or hit Ctrl+F and it will open the search window.

I like this method cause I can see all the post on one page and can scan it fairly quick. Again, hope it helps somone, I know it is simple BUT to me it is EFFECTIVE .

[spiderman2k1]

"defense" donating money is not going to fix the problem the. Programer do not get smarter when they get more money. When donating money it up to the person if they want to give it or not. When I see that I can use some thing I'll donate money

[babaji]

@sfxwe


It doesnt burn but it will author ....just not a dvd, it can make u an svcd image if u want, it even lets you choose three formats. (ill prolly never make a SVCD ever again) 8)

Basically the program build you the complete svcd image but if u change the output resolution and a few other tweaks it will leave the elemetary stream .mpv file and ac3 file (if you select the "do not delete files" checkbox) so later when it's all done if u go rifling through the "trash" it leaves behind, u can pick them out and bring them into maestro or whatever. I'm just not sure how usefull the subtitle files will be as i havent played with that aspect of it yet.

[rob w]

Hi Guys,

First to use DVD2SVCD to make DVD-R backups you need to start by reading this

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=114252

Then I have modified the the bbMPEG command (see that tab) and put in a dummy program dummy.cmd that basically does nothing. That way it doesn't run bbMPEG.

Next I modified the command under the PULLDOWN tab so it points to a batch file (runpulldown.cmd) that runs pulldown with the switches I want. Here is what that file contains:

pulldown.exe %1 %2 -drop_frame true -prog_frames p


After DVD2SVCD is done you have your reencoded video and the extracted audio. You still need to run ChapterXtractor (remember to use the format hh:mms;ff because the movie has been run with drop_frame). If you want subtitles you must run subrip. So basically, you get the same files as you do with DVD2DVD-R. Your final steps are to author with Maestro and then burn.

By the way, under the bitrate tab, I set all the bitrates to 4460 and the Max, Min and Max Avg bitrates to 6500, 2000, 6000, respectively.

This process works beautifully. If DVD2DVD-R ever gets fixed I will probably switch back but DVD2SVCD is certainly no compromise in quality or convenience and for the time being it is a better way to go (for me anyway) than DVD2DVD-R.

This is very brief but it gives you a place to start and we can go on from there if you have an interest. If people do have an interest and actually seem to being using this process I will be happy to help and go into more detail. I think, however, that anyone who has mastered DVD2DVD-R will not find this program all that challenging ... its much the same. By the way, DVD2SVCD makes auto selection of "force film" which is a convenience.

Good luck and let me know what you think.

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

Hello again... Sorry I was away for a couple days skiing. Like all the rest of you I had serious audio sync issues using 1.4.3. But here are the results.

DVD is NTSC version of Chasing Amy.

Parameters are the same usual NTSC paramters and I did not check the Drop Frame parameter. The DVD has been ripped to my hard drive so the DVD2DVD-R rips time is not really relevant.

The net result is NO WORKEE!!!

I have more tests I want to run but small samples seem to work fine. It is only when I do the entire movie that I have the audio problems. So a testing I will go.

More results soon.
AB

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

Today for giggles I authored the original M2V and audio that are extracted with DVD2DVD-R. I wanted to see if the audio was getting out of sync on the demux or the in CCE.

I authored in Maestro and the results were perfect audio. Even more interesting is that I noticed that the chapter points were different than the backup. What I mean is that CCE seems to have reduced the size of the video by a few seconds which is why the audio out of sync.

Can someone else verify this? I am FAR from an expert in CCE, but if author twice (once with Video_0x0E.M2V and once with Video_0x0E_NEW.M2V) you will see the audio differences and how the chapters are slightly different.

So now I am investigating CCE. This all started when we switched to MPEGDECODER.DLL from MPEG2DEC.DLL. Anyone who is an expert in CCE might want to take a look at the ECL. I don't see anything wrong with it, but I again I am not an expert.

More info soon.
AB

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

I think I may have found bug that would cause the error. The frame count that is used to encode the new M2V file looks incorrect.

I used BitRateViewer on both M2V files and here is what I found.
Original M2V 163644 frames
New M2V 163466 frames

In the ECL file the frame_last and encode_last parameters are set to 163467. To me this says that DVD2DVD-R is incorrectly calculating the number of frames for NTSC movies.

I am going to manually change this in the ECL file and then reencode. If this corrects the problem and someone else can verify this with me I think we will be able to report this to Chatwalker.

Thanks guys.
AB

[sfxwe]

Great find AB I hope you are correct . Thanks for the help in trying to find this bug for us NTSC users......

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

ARGH!!!! Still not working. I completely reencoded the video with the correct number of frames and it still does not sync. I am TOTALLY ready to rip my hair out.

I still believe the root problem is in the reencode of the video. The smaller number of frames may or may not be a bug. I'll report it to Chatwalker on his English thread. Maybe he'll identify it as a bug or let us know that it is expected behavior.

So I am still working on this. Right now I am backtracking my steps to make sure I didn't do anything stupid, but I don't think there was any user error on this. I am also investigating the MPEGDECODER.DLL. I am trying to see if there is any known problem in it.

For everyone's benefit I am pulling both the original M2V and new M2V into Maestro. I then pull in the original M2V and the chapters. From there I have been swapping between the old and new M2V's to see if the chapters are identical from the pictures. It saves me the step of authoring only to find the problem still exist.

I'll keep plugging away.
AB

[wayned16]

1.4.4 guys

The new version of Dvd2dvd-r is immediately on-line available. The support for the Cinema Craft Encoder basic 2,67,01,06-08 as well as the tri aluminum versions of the Cinema Craft Encoder FR 2,66,01,07 and 2.67.00.08-09 is new. The controlling of the CCE 2,50,01,00 is taken over now by EclCCE and the control of IfoEdit is completely again written. Furthermore there is the possibility PreCommands, which starts a certain speaking or sub-title-purely automatically to produce now. Also all audio ones and sub-title-pure are placed automatically on present. In the VTS window a suggestion on the selection of the main film is made. The speed problem, which existed since 1,4,0 is gefixed. Many smaller changes and extensions round the new version off. webmaster@dvd2dvd-r.de



Ver 1.4.4 [16.03.2003]
- support for Cinema Craft Encoder Basic 2.67.01.07 added
- support for Cinema Craft Encoder Basic 2.67.01.08 added
- now using Avisynth 2.0.8
- IfoEdit-Control modified (thanks to RB)
- Ripspeed-Problem fixed

it will be on my site the new version as well.

[wayned16]

ok uploaded 1.4.4 to my site

[rdalcanto]

I hope this one works.... I just downloaded 1.4.3 yesterday hoping that version wouldn't lock up when CCE started, and it didn't work either. Maybe 4th time is a charm....

Rick "I am getting closer and closer to buying instacopy" D.

[babaji]

1.44 1st try

Film Tittle: Made
Region: 1
Format: NTSC
Encoding Required: no
Length of Feauture: 1:32:00
Ripping Time : 15 mins
IFO-EDIT Selected: yes

End result: error during IFO_EDITING, something like "no space left in buffer"

WILL TRY AGAIN with avg antivirus + daemon tools DISABLED this time

:arrow: Will get back to you.
(fingers crossed)

[babaji]

Well I had the error again.


Last process it was on when it locked up according to ifoedit log window-- multiplexing stream 0x20 completed. Frames: 1293

staust bar windows is " Multiplexing elementary stream files [99%] "

ifoedit error dialog box " INTERNAL ERROR - additional data required but no free space in input buffer "

hmmmm ponder that one!

Has anyone seen this type of message before??

I have never played with a version higher than 1.32 so i have not had the aquaintance with the new generation of error messages.

I know i should really not be selecting the ifo-edit option. I just wanted to test it out properly. I guess i could try it without ifo-edit switched on.

Also perhaps i should try a movie with encoding required. Its a sunny days outside i'll set it to autopilot and go out for a while.

[ArrogantBastard]

Good Morning to All...

Well I am travelling again so I won't be able to test anything on DVD2DVD-R until Thurday night. But I have become obsessed with finding this problem with the NTSC audio sync. It has been driving me crazy.

So since I can't test anything for a couple of days I wanted to share my thoughts with all of you. This way you can help confirm my thoughts or tell me I'm an idiot.

I have been able to confirm that authoring the original M2V with the audion using DVD Maestro produces perfect results. This tells me that the problem is occurring somewhere in the CCE process or in the Pulldown. Which really is telling me that this problem may be completely outside of Chatwalkers code.

If we consider all the components involved in the processing we have the following:
1. The ECL script created by DVD2DVD-R
2. The actual program CCE (in my case 2.50.01)
3. Avisynth.dll (version 2.07 in 1.4.3 and 2.08 in 1.4.4)
4. Mpegdecoder.dll (Not sure what version)
5. Pulldown (version 0.99d I think)

Of all the components the one that seems most likely to be the problem is the Mpegdecoder.dll. It was the major change that happened post 1.3.5, but I have not found anything on doom9 that confirms this. I am FAR from a CCE expert but I didn't see anything in the ECL so would appreciate feedback from knowledgable sources.

Now the number of frames that is being used by CCE is off by 178 frames in the video I have been testing with (NTSC copy of Chasing Amy). That is about 7.5 seconds. At first I thought this would fix the problem, but now that I have thought it through it shouldn't. The extra frames are the ones at the end of the movie. So it just makes the video a little longer, but doesn't solve the audio because the audio is out of sync from the start.

I have tested DVD2DVD-R on a number of single chapters and they all have worked fine. But I have always chosen a middle chapter. Today I started thinking that maybe I should choose the first chapter (usually the opening credits) and see if that stays in sync. When I have been doing the complete video the audio is out of sync from the start. From what I have gathered from the posts is that the time the audio is out of sync has varied for each person. Mine has been about 6 or 7 seconds and I have noticed for some people it is only about 2 seconds.

What is baffling me is the fact that the chapters are not in alignment between the old and new M2V's in Maestro. Since the frame count is identical between the two I can't see how the frames can be different. It is as if some frames at the beginning of the movie have been dropped. Which now that I think of it is an interesting theory. Something I will have to explore more of.

My plans for this weekend are as follows.
1. Find a smaller test case. Without this I can only run 3 or 4 tests the entire weekend. Hopefully the first chapter will show the audio out of sync.
2. Manually encode the test case using CCE. My last tests have used the ECL generated by DVD2DVD-R. I will try a test using the Robshot method from Doom9.
3. Try and determine if the test case is dropping frames by putting chapter points within the test case. Use Dvd2avi program to examine video and frames. Possibly use Vdub to step through frames.
4. Run a test using the Mpeg2dec2.dll instead of Mpegdecoder.dll. I would like to discount this as a potential problem.

Please take some time and provide me some feedback. I am relative up to speed on all the programs, but need help. I am not really a newbie, but definately still have a ton more to learn.

Thanks for listening
AB

[sfxwe]

I just got done running a full dvd test on V 1.4.4 it completed all the way through in IFO Edit mode, BUT I won't know if the audio is in sync till later when I get home. I will post an update as soon as I find out.

[joepic]

I just got done running a full dvd test on V 1.4.4 it completed all the way through in IFO Edit mode

sfxwe,

Is your DVD PAL? If it is NTSC there is a known problem with IfoEdit.

Are you going to use Maestro

[sfxwe]

@joepic

It is NTSC......and yes I know about the IFO Edit Problems...... I am just letting everyone know, that DVD2DVDr V1.4.4 completed. I will check the audio sync and report on that.