cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[defense]

- Progressiv-Flag will be set if Pulldown is executed on progressiv DVD's

Oh, NOW WE'RE TALKIN'! I've only had to redo a ton of movies because of this. Too bad I didn't notice this problem early on...but it is much more noticeable in some movies then it is in others. That's why just going chapter to chapter never caught it. I'll test this out and see how it works. [/quote]

[ArrogantBastard]

Early Feedback...

Audio is still out of sync. I used the following options.

Progressive Frames = True
Linear Quantizer = False
ZigZag Scanning = True
Upper Field First = True

Force Film = True
2:3 Pulldown = True

Quantizer Characteristics = 10
GOP Sequence M=3 N/M=5

Source is an NTSC DVD of Chasing Amy

I am going to play a little bit more... I will let you know when I have more feedback.

AB

[defense]

damn, that sucks..It looks like ChatWalker is much more concerned about PAL then NTSC disks. I guess that makes sense because PAL is used in Europe. Anyway, too bad he isn't devoting attention to the audio sync issue because it's the biggest problem since version 1.3.5, and four or five versions later, we still can't download a solid version in working condition. Unless you play around with other tests, I guess I'll be sticking to 1.3.2 and running those progressive frames automatically.

[ArrogantBastard]

Small Success...

I just made a few modifications and got PERFECT in-sync sound on a single chapter.

Now this chapter HAS never been in sync before so I am encouraged.

Everything was the same as the last test except I modified the N/M parameter to 4 and changed Drop Frame to TRUE.

Again I will post more soon, but this is the first post 1.3.5 version I have ever had in sync.

AB

[rdalcanto]

New version still won't run pulldown for me. I get error in the log a second after it says starting pulldown, and a box that said file not found....

[joepic]

Small Success...

I just made a few modifications and got PERFECT in-sync sound on a single chapter.

Now this chapter HAS never been in sync before so I am encouraged.

Everything was the same as the last test except I modified the N/M parameter to 4 and changed Drop Frame to TRUE.

Again I will post more soon, but this is the first post 1.3.5 version I have ever had in sync.

AB

ArrogantBastard,

You may have found the "default settings for NTSC". A couple of items that I found:

1. See the GUIDE below for setting up GOP Sequence N/M (4 seems to be the correct value). Also not sure what the QUANTIZER Characteristics should be as the GUIDE calls for 60 and DVD2DVD-R uses 10 for the default.

Getting the best out of CCE
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/cce-advanced.htm

2. Of course to see these added OPTIONS you must go to SETTINGS and enable EXPERT-MODE.

3. Finally, not sure what DROP FRAME does for me, but will enable it for the next DVD I am about to do?

Just starting up NTSC K-19 with your recommendations. Hope for the best

[sfxwe]

I got the same problem with pull down as rdalcanto. Some error and pull down never ran . I was trying the scenarist mode though. OR I wonder if it has to do with the N/M as ArrogantBastard said, but I wouldn't think that would have anything to do with pulldown.....

Other than rdalcanto, did anyone else have this problem? Anyone have a fix for this error. I never uninstalled v1.3.5 as 1.4.0 creates a new folder with all the needed programs. Any suggestions?

[joepic]

Just a quick report as it is late and have a big day tomorrow at work.

I have been using version 1.3.4 because I had audio sync problems with all newer versions of DVD2DVD-r. I just completed the NTSC version of K-19 without ANY problems following the suggestions of ArrogantBastard
using version 1.4.0.

Just curisous as to what it takes to use SCENARTISTS (besides have it correctly installed) to author? DVD2DVD-r did create a .SCP file but from what I can see from the log file it did not call Scenartist. Any help in this area would be appreciated.

[NYPlayer]

You have to start up Scenarist. Click on new from script and select the script created by DVD2DVDR. Its not automatic.

[defense]

anyone else have any success completely copying a movie with version 1.4.0? If so, please post so others can decide if the download is worth while, or even necessary. thanks

[dlb]

I would be grateful if someone could post a link to download the new version.

I have looked on the home page, but my German is not good.

Cheers.

dlb.

[mosh]

@dlb

To get new version of dvd3dvdr 1.4.0 follwow steps below.

1. Get to the site www.dvd2dvd-r.com
2. Click on Downloads link on the left.
3. You'll see a message. Just click on a small hyperlink "hier" in the message.
4. It'll lead you to registration site. Just create your ID name for the site (Benutzername) and enter your email where you will receive an access password (eMail). These two data-input areas are bold fonts (those are the only requirements for the registration). Then, click the "neuer Benutzer" button to submit your info.
5. Wait for 1 minute. Then, check your mail. Copy the provided password for the site.
6. Get back to the site www.dvd2dvd-r.com; Click on the link "ANMELDEN" on the top left, and enter your created name and provided password that you just copied. Click Login. You then will be logged into the site.
7. Click on Downloads link on the left again.
8. You'll see two links. The left is for the manual. The right is the actual file of the program.


all cred for this info should be given to Pharmco2000 who posted above info on following thread:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147693

[NYPlayer]

http://www.gropp-shop.de/movie2digital/DVD2DVDR_140.exe

[ArrogantBastard]

UPDATE

Sorry I couldn't get back to you all last night. I got caught up with other things.

Okay version 1.4.0 completes NO problems including the pulldown. It actually does all three flags in one run of the pulldown. The 3:2, the Progressive and the Drop Flag.

After that I imported the audio and video into Maestro without problems. I tried to import the chapters but got an I-Fram error. Thinking I was smarter than I am I ran another pulldown with drop_frame set to false, reimported the new M2V, imported the chapters and then burned.

Guess what. The audio is out of sync again. BUT... and this is a BIG BIG BUT... I think the M2V that gave me an error importing the chapters would have been perfectly in sync. My reasoning? The M2V that DVD2DVD-R puts out is about 6 seconds longer and that is approximately the sync error.

Now of course I have to test this, but guess what. I have to travel out of town until Thursday so I won't be able to test it until Thursday night. But I am encouraged. I read someone else has been successful. I think it is just a matter of getting the right order.

So my current guess is to use the parameters in my previous post. DO NOT RUN ANY MORE PULLDOWNS. Use the M2V that DVD2DVD-R generates.

As a side note: I am just trying to do Video, Audio and Chapters. When I get home I will try importing the chapters using the HH:MM:SS;CC method that someone posted previously.

Thanks to all. If anyone else is successful please post. I will update you all on Thursday night.
AB

[defense]

thanks for the update AB, as far as the chapter I-frame issue, I was gonna mention to use that semicolon trick. But you have already figured that out. That should work perfectly. @Joepic, you said you have successfully backed up K-19, did you use drop_frame or just the normal 2:3 pulldown?

[joepic]

thanks for the update AB, as far as the chapter I-frame issue, I was gonna mention to use that semicolon trick. But you have already figured that out. That should work perfectly. @Joepic, you said you have successfully backed up K-19, did you use drop_frame or just the normal 2:3 pulldown?

defense,

I should have said I had one problem, importing CHAPTERS I had the same I-Frame error as AB. I wasn't too concerned about this as just having the audio in sync! Chapters is one of those things that works most of the times for me but every once in a while I have a DVD that dosen't like me

My format was HH:MM:SS:CC, so maybe need to change to ;.

I authored with Maestro last night. I am going to try with Scenartist tonight.

Version 1.4.0 automatically checked all of the ENCODER Options, Progressive, Linear, Zigzag & Upper. I did not verify this with BitRate Viewer. In my previous post you will notice that I ALWAYS follow the recommendations of BitRate Viewer and have NEVER had any problems.

I did check ALL of the other NTSC blocks, Force, 2:3 & Drop. Also set the N/M=4.

Bottom line, no audio sync problems just a Chapter isssue. It will be interesting to see how Scenartist handles the Chapters tonight.

[mosh]

there is a new version available 1.4.0a available on
http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de

[defense]

joepic, thanks again for the info, but I am wondering which PULLDOWN file you imported into Maestro? Did you create subtitles for K-19? If not, you mentioned you ran all of the pulldown commands...did you import the drop_frame pulldown into Maestro, OR did you import just the 2:3 pulldown into Maestro?...Did you import one and then switch? Please let us know. Thanks

[joepic]

joepic, thanks again for the info, but I am wondering which PULLDOWN file you imported into Maestro? Did you create subtitles for K-19? If not, you mentioned you ran all of the pulldown commands...did you import the drop_frame pulldown into Maestro, OR did you import just the 2:3 pulldown into Maestro?...Did you import one and then switch? Please let us know. Thanks

NO SUBTITLES ever for me!

I am not at home to see the file names to be exact. That answer will have to wait for a couple of hours.

Whatever the last PULLDOWN created that is the one I imported into Maestro.

No switching .M2V files, only imported one file.

[joepic]

there is a new version available 1.4.0a available on
http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de

I just checked the REVISION HISTORY and no mention yet was fixed/updated in 1.4.0a.

[defense]

joepic, when you get home and get a chance, please let me know if it was the drop frame .M2V you imported which allowed you to get sync or was it just the 2:3 pulldown file. Thanks

[ArrogantBastard]

@defense

The one I used was the 3:2 pulldown plus the drop frame. However it was all done on one file. I watched as DVD2DVD-R ran only one pulldown with all three parameters.

@all
Anything on what 1.40.a fixes?

AB

[joepic]

joepic, when you get home and get a chance, please let me know if it was the drop frame .M2V you imported which allowed you to get sync or was it just the 2:3 pulldown file. Thanks

defense,

I have two files generated by DVD2DVD-r as usual.

Video_0xE0.M2V
Video_0xE0_NEW.M2V

Remember I never do subtitles.

As AB said, PULLDOWN created the last file all in one pass. I did a screen capture last night during the Pulldown of K19 NTSC for reference. This is the main info:

- Enabling drop_frame_flag
- Setting all frames to PROGRESSIVE
- Enabling 2:3 pulldown

I am not sure this is much help.

[defense]

thank you both for that VALUABLE info. Yes Joepic, that was a help. Now I know there are still ONLY two files DVD2DVDR is generating. When you need subtitle sync, the guides say to use two SEPERATE pulldown commands, but some people dispute those methods anyway, and I don't care about subtitles either. I am ready to download version 1.40a and upgrade from the ancient 1.3.2! Keep your test results updated though, and I will do the same. I have T-2 and Independence Day ready to be reencoded on my harddrive. 8)

[babaji]

@joepic

From what i gather version1.4a fixes a problem where dvd2dvdr hangs or does not complete all its tasks, this only affect some people and chatwalker said those who are not affected do not need to upgrade from 1.4.

here is the link

http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=eBoard&file=viewthread&tid=1673


Here is the translator I used: (anyone know a better one?)

http://world.altavista.com/

[ArrogantBastard]

@babaji

Thanks for the update. Mine seems to be processing all the way through so I will stay at 1.4.0

@defense

Post your results with 1.4.0 when you get a chance. Since I won't be home until Thursday I am eager to see how this version is handling. I am especially interested in whether you can import the chapters using the HH:MM:SS;CC method. The standard DVDMaestro format wouldn't load. Sometimes the semicolon method only loads half of the chapters for me.

Good luck to all out there.
AB

[babaji]

Hello Guys!


I would appreciate it if someone could explain something to me. Right now i am using v1.32 to backup my dvds. I only backup NTSC so i am one of the lucky ones that dont have to use IFOEDIT .


Here is the way I see it: (and please correct me if im wrong)

************VERSION 1.32 NTSC***************

Option #1:

use 2 pulldown method and authoring with maestro adding 1st pulldowned m2v , adding audio, adding chapters , removing 1st pulldown file then adding the second pulldown.m2v file then adding the subs

Result 100% perfectly timed chapters points, subs and a movie with no audio sync problems that will be the correct length.


Option #2:

Use the "semicolon method" to author in maestro.

Result Correctly timed subs and audio and a movie of the correct length but with chapter points that are off by a couple of seconds.



Personally i prefer to use method 1 and get better timed chapter points, i just feel making a second pulldown file isnt that much more work.

Having said all that I will ask you why some people here are using 1.34 or 1.35? Is there something in those versions that make life easier or the output better for a NTSC Option #1 user? Also why would going to version 1.4 be such a big deal? if the ifoedit bug is still a problem then i have to manually do all this junk anyways (see option 1) no?

Actually i think i read somewhere that it is now faster with the new engine (post v 1.35)


Has chatwalker gone on record and made public his intentions(of helping?) towards the NTSC users regarding the ifoedit bug? Or should we just consider dvd2dvdr a PAL program with an NTSC hack?(its still a pretty amazing program and saves me a lot of steps like framserving and turning those vobs into a single m2v file and encoding it nicely--- all stuff i dont really know how to do manuall --yet!!)

So chatwalker Keep up the good work! and i hope you still have us NTSC users in the back of your mind somewhere.

Thank you!

[sfxwe]

....... Anyone got any ideas.......

I have tried v1.4.0 and V1.4.0a on 2 different computers with 2 different movies and this is what I get. Am I missing something? Did I need to register some plugin or something in the registry?

10:23:28 PM checking Filesystem...OK
10:23:28 PM checking free Diskspace for ripping...OK
10:23:28 PM checking free Diskspace for encoding...OK
10:23:28 PM checking free Diskspace for pulldown...OK
10:23:28 PM checking Outputfolder...OK
10:23:28 PM checking Outputfile...OK
10:23:28 PM updating PTS-Values... OK

*** ScenaristNT-Mode ***

10:23:28 PM starting RIP
11:01:12 PM finished RIP
11:01:13 PM starting Audiocheck
11:11:26 PM finished Audiocheck
11:11:26 PM searching for Avisynth.dll... OK
11:11:26 PM updating Registry for Avisynth... OK
11:11:30 PM creating Avisynth-Script... OK
11:11:30 PM searching for MPEGDecoder.dll... OK
11:11:30 PM creating .D2V-File... OK
11:27:23 PM creating Scenarist-Script... OK
11:27:23 PM writing Protocol... OK
11:27:23 PM creating Encoder-Script... OK
11:27:23 PM starting MPEG-Encoder... OK
11:29:26 PM starting Pulldown...
11:29:26 PM ERROR


BTW. The same versions 1.4.0 and 1.4.0a running in IFOEdit mode instead of Scenarist mode do not have this problem and complete from start to finish. I uncheck the start authoring if possible with IFOEdit due to the know reasons . But in Scenarist mode I leave Start Authoring CHECKED and this is what I get. The only M2V file is a huge one, there isn't one that has been created or re-encoded by CCE. CCE V is SP2.50. Do I need a different version of CCE? I thought I read it will except all versions?

Any help would be appreciated......

[ArrogantBastard]

@sfxwe

From your log it looks like the encoder starts. Does CCE actually go through it's two passes?

My guess on the pulldown error is that it is looking for a file and can't find it. It probably finds the pulldown program, but can't find the M2V file to execute it on. Of course that is a TOTAL guess.

I always run in IFOEdit mode and turn off auto authoring since I use DVDMaestro, but I will check it out for you when I get home. Sounds like you might have found our first bug in 1.4.0(a).

For anyone else out there having problems with pulldown, can you confirm that you were trying it in Scenarist mode.

AB

[joepic]

[quote="ArrogantBastardFor anyone else out there having problems with pulldown, can you confirm that you were trying it in Scenarist mode.AB[/quote]

AB

I always run in Secnarist mode and have NO problems. I have only done one movie K-19 with the new version 1.4.0.