cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

Tonight I got out my old German dictionary, cobwebs and all. I went over to Chatwalkers site and started reading (slowly :P ) his board looking for information on the program hanging problem that I have experienced since after version 1.3.4

I would very much like to use 1.3.8 because it has some nice features but, as I say, it hangs. This happens for me nearly always after CCE finishes. The only way out is to bring up task manager and kill the program. Thus I need to finish the pulldown by hand and more significantly DVD2DVD-R never gets to the "shutdown the computer" stage.

Well, long and short of it is that this problem is very well documented on Chatwalkers site. I haven't read and acknowledgement by Chatwalker that the problem is being worked on but I assume it is.

Anyway, for those in the same boat ... just wanted you to know

[ozzie]

Need help badly here! On some movies when I rip a NTSC backup using 1.3.4 the picture is very jumpy. I have fooled around with several settings and have been part of this very long chain, but have seen little about this. Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is this the result of something else? Can anyone help please? Could this be the result of doing the pulldown myslef when DVD2DVDr crashes on CCE? BTW this program rules! Has anyone compared it to some of the other progs out there and how does it compare.? I tried REDVD and the quality lacked bigtime, but that was long ago.

@ozzie
First I have to say that I have not had the "jumpy" problem that you describe. I really doubt that this is an issue with the DVD2DVD-R process itself. It sounds to me that you are having a media problem. If you have the wrong media and your standalone has trouble reading it because of light reflectivity issues (the light isn't bouncing back such that the standalone can read it).

On further thinking, please let us know what you are using as source and how you are making the DVD. Are you doing NTSC? If so are you doing pulldown? How are you authoring?


The following quote was taken from:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=52880d48e199a6673ee8efd65f2c8d45&threadid=64653

7th> MOST IMPORTANT !! Use very good media. I can't stress this enough. I've used Maxell 2X, TDK 2X, Ritek 4X and have always had great success with them. I have used HYpermedia 1X (that's all they are good for and not even that!) from CMC in Taiwan. Junk!! Crap!!! I threw away the remaing 5 of the 10 pack. Will skip, pause, pixelate, the end not show up good. etc etc. It (using poor media) will make you THINK you or your sofwater is doing poorly. the media can be so variable it's a flip of the coin on cheap media if you get a good burn or another piece for a Mobile.

8th> SOLITUDE. ...shhh burning DVD.. I know this sounds odd, but when I burn I leave the room. a DVD burns to a track of 0.79 Micron.. pretty small. That is why media is more expensive.. and THAT is why DVD burners cost more.. the tolerance has to be so much higher on DVD than on CD. 0.79 is really a small amount of space. a red blood cell is 9.0 micron.. the smallest visible thing for a human to detect is somewhere in the neighborhood of 39 micron.. so 0.79 is really a very small track. I can't prove it,but can you imagine a laser burning it's information and you 'thump' the side of the computer case and cause a vibration?

[xxBladExx]

Hi guys,

I've also used DVD2DVDR. I really don't have no errors. The big thing is when I watch the movie the subs are turning green. I really don't know what i've doing wrong. Does somebody knows how this could happend?

[defense]

1. Again, how can I tell if the DVD is progressive or interlaced so I can make the correct settings in DVD2DVDr. Do I just set it to what the window says at time when it pops up when u load a DVD. Example, DVD2DVDr has detected that this may contain progressive frames......blah blah blah. If this pops up then check off all boxes EXCEPT for linear Quantizer Scale . If that window never pops up then it would be interlaced?

@sfxwe, no problem with your questions, keep them coming if you have more.

As far as the questions you asked, well, first, if an NTSC theatrical release is INTERLACED, then that is an oddity that I have not come across. I wouldn't worry about Interlaced films, however, if by chance, you do come across an Interlaced film, don't check ANY of the boxes in DVD2DVDR, INCLUDING pulldown. The reason for this is pretty detailed between Progressive, Interlaced, and pulldown, but just take my word for it. Now, ALMOST ALL of your films will be Progressive. Some of them may be Interlaced AND Progressive, so in that case, you would STILL check ALL boxes, except Linear Quantizer Scale, just as you said. The way "I" check whether a film is progressive or Interlaced is to rip AN ENTIRE VOB from the main movie set with DVD Decryptor OR Smart Ripper, and run that VOB through DVD2AVI. If It shows progressive, as it usually does, then the settings are still the same as I mentioned, and if it shows progressive AND Interlaced FLICKERING rapdily back and forth, then the movie is BOTH, and you just leave the settings the same way. So basically, in short, you will almost ALWAYS check everything except for Linear Quantizer Scale, and let the program do the rest.


Now, for your pulldown questions. If you want Subtitles, I suggest you take robw's advice as opposed to guides you may have read. I haven't tested his method on this, but i'm sure it works because his information is very accurate. What he suggests you do is to run a "drop frame" pulldown. The guides I have read say to run "two" seperate pulldowns, but I have still had subtitles sync issues doing this. robw said that he always just runs "one" pulldown, which is the -drop_frame pulldown, and that works flawlessly each time. What you would do is to open the GUI and select the NEW.m2v file, then within the pulldown.exe GUI, you would select "TRUE" for Drop Frame, and select "Progressive" for Each Frame. Hit "GO" and when your pulldown operation is complete you should have no problems with your subtitles. I hope this information is helpful.


@robw

8th> SOLITUDE. ...shhh burning DVD.. I know this sounds odd, but when I burn I leave the room. a DVD burns to a track of 0.79 Micron.. pretty small. That is why media is more expensive.. and THAT is why DVD burners cost more.. the tolerance has to be so much higher on DVD than on CD. 0.79 is really a small amount of space. a red blood cell is 9.0 micron.. the smallest visible thing for a human to detect is somewhere in the neighborhood of 39 micron.. so 0.79 is really a very small track. I can't prove it, but can you imagine a laser burning it's information and you 'thump' the side of the computer case and cause a vibration?

Man, that is scary that you would write that, because since I have been burning, I have just done EXACTLY what you do for each and every burn. Everytime I have people over, I tell them to walk "LIGHTLY" if at all, while i'm burning a movie. One of my friends was over a couple of weeks ago when I was burning a movie, and he got up about five minutes later to go to the bathroom and walked heavy footed, and I almost punched him in the head. lol...What's even crazier, is that I am not paranoid, and I had NO CLUE about the micron facts you mentioned, but it just seemed logical to me that it was an EXTREMELY SENSITIVE process to say the least, and I also do a couple of other things before burning.

One, I either turn off my CENTRAL Air Conditioner, or turn it low enough so it stays on. When it kicks in, it draws electricity, and I think that MAY cause a skip during the burn process, although, I may be wrong, but I don't take any chances. I also have a can of compressed air which I use to blow off ANY little visible particles of dust, etc, on my blank DVDR's, just to make sure the burn process goes as smoothly as possible. I'm still laughing at your post, because I thought I was paranoid, but I know I'm not, I just don't want to waste time and money on a coaster. Just curious, any other precautions you take before burning?

[sfxwe]

When I did SW E2 AOTC, the one and only time DVD2DVDR V1.3.8 ran all the way through from start to finish, I used the final output in maestro. And I agree with robw, the chapters were off only a sec or so, and the subs and audio matched all the way through the video. I did NOT change between drop and non-drop frame while authoring it. I just put in the final m2v and chapters, subs etc......no switching of m2vs at all .


@defense

LOL, give me some time I am sure I will come up with some more questions ......

Thanks again guys for the help....

[ozzie]

I use cheAper dvds but they work 100% of the time until now. There are two movies I am having trouble with. "Outlaw Josey wales" and "empire strikes back". They are both Ntsc. Uswually dvd2dvdr works fine but with these two it stops at the pulldown. i had this happen once before and just opened the m2v file in pulldown and it worked fine when i used dvdmaestro to author it. I think maybe i am doing the pulldown wrong. the one i did that worked is still a little wavey at the top. these two , when people are walking it looks like a strobe light type of effect. maybe the 2nd pass of cce isnt happening. does this help narrow down what i am doing wrong. i am running 1.3.4 with every process closed i can.

[sfxwe]

@ozzie......

Well if I am understanding all this properly..... per robw and defense which are very good sources of info....... on all most all movies (like 95% or more , our settings for ntsc would be to check all the options other than Linear Quantizer Scale.

Top Filed 1st = yes
Progressive = yes
Linear Quantizer = NO
ZigZag = yes

Froce Filed = yes
Pulldown = yes
Drop Frame = yes

Also just re-read this one page over and you will see the questions I have asked as they were the same as yours and both robw and defense answered them...... so If I understood them correct those would be the settings.

[ozzie]

Hmmmmm.....I have been checking all four options and then all of the pulldown options. Could this really be the reason why I am seeing this? The action scenes look great, but anything where there is slow but constant movement goes nuts.

ozzie

If your question is whether checking Linear Quantizer is a source of your problems, I really doubt it. The impact of Linear Quantizer is very slight at best in my experience.

I see you have identified that the film is NTSC and you are therefore using pulldown. That is correct. Are you also checking the boxes in DVD2DVDR that specify "force film" ?

[sfxwe]

@ozzie

What version of DVD2DVDr are you using?

Is DVD2DVDr finishing by itself or are you doing the pull down? If you are doing pull down yourself, what settings are you using?

What are you authoring it with? Does it happen will all your movies?

Try to give us some more info, and I bet someone can tell ya whats wrong......

[sfxwe]

Man - O - Man.........

Check this out guys....... I had installed DVD2DVDr V1.3.8 and of course it stops when CCE is done and will NOT finish pulldown etc.......

For shits and grins, I decided to disable NSW 2003 / AnitVirus from starting up in Auto Protect mode and disabled N - Antivirus from stopping scrips from running and GUESS WHAT....... DVD2DVDr just ran from start to finish for the 1st time since I have installed it (other than the very 1st time I ran it)

Is anyone else having this problem running NSW 2003 or N - AntiVirus in the back ground in the default mode where auto protect runs along with script blocking????? If so, please disable it and try running DVD2DVDr and post your results!!!!!!! Im so excited.......hehe Then again maybe I just got lucky and the next test it will fail, but HEY it is worth the try huh?

@sfxwe
you may have an answer. I do run NSW 2003 antivirus. Can you give me a quick review how you stop scripts from running?

I do hope this fixes the problem. Please let me know.

One point is that DVD2SVCD doesn't require this, so the problem would be in whatever scripts DVD2DVDR is running. In other words, its not an issue with CCE.

If this solves the problem I'm very pleased too. Once you have checked this out please post and I'm sure Chatwalker's board would be happy to hear because there are a ton of messages on that board too about this problem.

Good going!!!

[sfxwe]

@robw....

I am at work now, but when I get home I will check........ I use DVD2DVDr by way of RDP in MS WinXP .

But check this, I right clicked on NAV icon in the system ray, went to NAV Config, unchecked NAV Auto Protect from starting up on StartUp, and then went down a little further and unchecked Stop Scripts from running....... Again I will check when I get home for more specifics.....

BTW, shut down and restart the computer tho,,,,, I restarted 2 times just to make sure before I ran DVD2DVDr again . God I hope this works.

@sfxwe
Wonder if you need to block autoprotect entirely or just the scripts? Well I think we are on the trail to figuring this thing out.

Here at work we use a Corporate version 7.61.928 of Norton AntiVirus. Poking around I see it is possible to disable realtime protection for just a specific file or folder. That would be a marvelous solution if it works. Not sure if NSW 2003 (which I use at home) has the same feature.

perhaps this will help

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/pfdocs/199829164436

I will let you know what I findout

[dreadogg]

I'm using 1.3.5 and I always disable NVirus and Nfirewall before I encode and turn off screen saver, I have zero problems with DVD2DVDR running straight through, problem I'm having is getting audio to sync with video and it is just in this one film I just did called Serving Sara, I posted this up seperate form this post because I did not think it was an issue with DVD2DVDR, I thought that it had to do with meastro!

[defense]

@ robw & sfxwe, please continue to update this "NAV" issue. I too am running NAV 2003 PRO, and I ALWAYS "disable" NAV, before doing any type of ripping/encoding/authoring, etc. I would think disabling it would have the same affect as disabling just scripts. I may be wrong, but I would like to hear if this works for everyone. When I disable NAV, I have a Red "X" over the icon on the task bar. If going about it a different way will allow 1.3.8 to go though all the way with CCE and PULLDOWN, that would be great to say the least. I am still using version 1.3.2 until I know for sure. Keep everyone posted on this. Thanks

[dreadogg]

yea thats all I do also when i disable antivirus software i just right click and select disable.

[sfxwe]

I too just disabled and had the red X, but this time I have disabled Auto Protect and Scripts.

This is what I have:

I have 5 computers.......

I use to for doing this type of work, I disabled NAV Auto Protect and Scripts on both of my computers I use to do DVDs.......

The one I just Posted about was a shorter movie and finished all the way through, as I had stated. Now on my other computer I did the same thing, but it was a longer movie. I started the process on both of them at the same time. I just checked the 2nd longer movie and guess what, V 1.3.8 is running pull down as I speak

So , this is 2 computers that would not finish past the CCE process that are now finishing 2 complete DVDs............Man I am so excited .

I just started another on on my 1st computer, but won't know for anorher 4 hours if it completes. BUT what I am saying is this, 2 diff computers that would not finsh the complete process have now completed 2 movies .

I will let ya know, and would ask if you guys could please post your results.... keep your fingers crossed all.

[defense]

@sfxwe, thanks again for the update. If you could just mention exactly how you are disabling scripts, etc, and EXACTLY what you are doing, so others can test this out, please let us know. I know you mentioned earlier, briefly what you were doing, but you said you weren't at home, so you couldn't give specifics. Also, when you disable scripts, etc, do you also STILL disable NAV from the taskbar, resulting in that red X? Or do you not disable on the task bar and just do the other two methods you described. Please let us know. I am ready to reinstall 1.3.8 and test this out.

[sfxwe]

Ok I am at home now.......this is what I did.

1. Right click NAV 2003 and select Configure NAV
2. A window pops up, select (on the left side) Auto-Protect
3. On the main window under "How to stay protected" uncheck Enable Auto-Protect, also uncheck Start Auto-Protect when windows starts up.
4. Back on the left side of the Window select Script Blocking
5. Under "How to stay protected from malicious scripts" in the main NAV Screen UNCHECK "Enable Script Blocking"
6. Click Ok at bottom

Then I restart my computer twice. I still have the NAV Icon in the system tray as I had left the option to show it in system tray ENABLED, and yes it does have a red X through it. But again Auto Protect was disabled and so was Script Blocking.....

Hope This Helps.......

[dreadogg]

but do you have to reboot? Or have you tried this without rebooting?

P.s what are you guys using to author, and does 1.38 fix the IFO edit bug? Or are most still using Meastro?

[sfxwe]

Yes.......restart = reboot ........ I actually rebooted twice just to make sure the settings were still in effect..............

No 1.3.8 doesn't fix IFOEdit as IFOEdit is just a part of DVD2DVDr and was developed by another person.....derrow is his name if I remember right.

I use both IFO and Maestro.......

[dreadogg]

lol, yes I know restart = reboot but I was asking if you tried just applying the settings without having to reboot. I also use Meastro and IFOEdit at the end.You ever have problems with audio being off sync after you have compiled it through meastro? because this movie I just did is really off sync, probally gonna rencode tonight (but not gonna use dropframe) and if this fails gonna update to the newest version considering I am using 1.35.

[sfxwe]

No, I didn't try without rebooting.....why take a chance ......

As far as audio, I haven't had an issue with audio in maestro, but I will be honest, I have ONLY authored a couple useing Maestro.

But this does bring up a point.......I have done 10 - 15 DVDs with DVD2DVDr when it has to re-encode a movie, and have let DVD2DVDR use IFOEdit to author with. Now I see the post with movies playing back to quick etc......but that was when DVD2DVDr wasn't doing pull down and drop flag properly, now DVD2DVDr does this properly and I DON'T have any problems with the final product OTHER than this:

I watch the movie from start to finish and the movie plays correctly, the play time is correct with the time on the DVD case, the sub titles match the audio is in sync The only thing, and I do mean the only thing I have noticed is the time on the DVD player flashes between two sets of times. So I think I will now use IFOEdit in DVD2DVDr if the program will now go from start to finish with out hanging up .

Second if need be, I think we could run the VOBs from the newly completed DVD produced by DVD2DVDR through maybe DVD2one, which might pull it apart and remux thus fixing the problem all together.

OR

If we are really lucky, maybe Chatwalker will get the scenarist mode to work and then, hehe, all will be good.

OR

Maybe Chatwalker will figure a way to get Maestro to work with his KICK A$$ proggie....... that would be really awesome.......


AND


Then maybe he could incorporate a DVD burner program that will automatically start the burn process, although I think IFOEdit will do this with imagetools......


Ok, ok, enough dreaming .......... one step at a time........lol


PS I am trying another DVD on each of my computers, to test the NAV thing again....so far so good

[dreadogg]

ok so what your saying is that you let DVD2DVDR do the encode and the author leaving you to just burn the VIDEO_TS folder? If that is the case, and the only difference would be display time on the standalone I'm in! But then would I have to upgrade to 1.38? Or could I just try this with 1.35 or was there later fixes that would make the difference, I am hesitent to upgrade tonight.

[defense]

@sfxwe,

I DON'T have any problems with the final product OTHER than this:

I watch the movie from start to finish and the movie plays correctly, the play time is correct with the time on the DVD case, the sub titles match the audio is in sync The only thing, and I do mean the only thing I have noticed is the time on the DVD player flashes between two sets of times. So I think I will now use IFOEdit in DVD2DVDr if the program will now go from start to finish with out hanging up

You may want to make sure this is accurate. I mean, "really" verify it. The problem with IFOEdit is a known bug and a VERY BIG BUG, to say the least. Many people feel this problem is with "pulldown" files, but that is not true. It is with ".M2V" files regardless if they are pulldown or otherwise.

The problem is ONLY with NTSC films. I'm sure you've read about the problem, but i'd like you to please clarify what you are saying is accurate. If it is, please tell me the titles of the films you have used, so I can see how it is possible to not have the issue of playing too many frames. I have tested this method with SEVERAL NTSC films, not just using pulldown, but ripping the film to the hard drive as an .M2V, and ripping the .AC3.

Then I've tried to use IFOEdit to author the films, and each and EVERY time, I get a film that is 25% shorter as an output via IFOEdit. For example, if you rip ANY NTSC film to an .M2V and .AC3 file, and you add those files to IFOEdit and author with IFOEdit, your movie will play 25% faster. If the movie is 2 hours, then it will end at 1 & 1/2 hours with the authored IFOEdit version. Please report your results, and if you are saying you have used IFOEdit and the time is EXACT at the end of your IFOEdit authored movie, as it is with the original, please report which movies you have tested this with. Thanks

[ozzie]

Thanx for all the help. Usually dvd2dvdr 1.3.4 finishes on its own, but if it doesnt and hangs on CCE I usually just open it with pulldown with no settings at all. Is that the problem? Is there a specific way of using pulldown that I am not using? I just say open with pulldown and it usually works, but not lately. I am using 1.3.4 for NTSC and not authoring at all. I am authoring on my own with dvd maestro. How are others doing the pulldown when CCE hangs? On a side note.....I have always done the right click on antivirus and disabled it, but still dvd2dvdr hangs on CCE. Actually (and know this doesnt make sense) I have found that if I have an interenet connect active in the background with dvd2dvdr running everything goes fine, but if I do not it hangs on CCE. Weird thing is sometimes when I have the interenet thing going I get a little popup ad from dvd2dvdr. Could this whole thing be hanging cause dvd2dvdr is adware? or am I smoking crack? (again)? I have disabled everything I can with little success, but have never lost when doing something on the internet in the background. Can anyone verify this or the other. I appreciate all your help...thanx

[dreadogg]

thats accually called spyware, people just call it adware because of adaware. but that statement altogether gets you thinking!

Could this whole thing be hanging cause dvd2dvdr is adware?

[sfxwe]

@defense


I think I made a mistake, and I truly apologize......... not thinking properly as I am so excited about DVD2DVDr finishing all the way, my aligator mouth over ran my hummingbird a$$ .

Let me try this again:

The movies that I have re-encode and authored with DVD2DVDr using IFOEdit are the following:

Spirit - Castaway - Harry Potter - We Were Soliders - Gladiator - Wind Talkers

I have watched these from start to finish, I timed Wind Talkers twice and my wife timed it once. Earlier in this thread myself and another poster had said the only things we noticed were the numbers on the time clock jumping. If I remember right he also stated that if this was the only thing wrong with DVD2DVDr he could live with it.

Now I have also done appro 10 other titles with DVD2DVDr that did NOT need re-encoding but let DVD2DVDr rip chapters - subs - audio - etc.......
so that they would fit onto one DVDr, as the original files would not fit onto a DVDr. Now on these rips, the time plays ok, it doesn't jump like the others that needed a re-encode. SO now I guess I am all confused all over again, . Also some of the ones I had done earlier were on DVD+RWs which I have now since erased, for the reason being I had chosen 2 (ac3 and DTS) audio tracks, and later realized that my picture quality would be much better if I only kept one audio track, as of course this would leave more room for a larger video file . So in the last 2 months, since this thread started actually I have not done alot of DVDs to DVDr cause I am learning and want to do them properly. So I would test on DVD+RW first........

Again I apologize but I must say, I do have the 1st set I listed and they seem to be the right play time...... I will try to check again and let ya know. I guess after watching Wind Talkers over and over and timing it and having it play for the full play time as stated on the case, I didn't really pay attention to anything other dvds after that because I didn't think anything of the problem, esp with another poster saying the same thing.

Again I apologize, but will try to time some others this weekend and let you know for sure......sorry