cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[mosh]

@redwingnut

i am not sure coz i only started ripping NTSC since getting 1.3.3 but i think 1.3.2 never had the pulldown file included which is why you are getting the slighly faster film because has i said earlier this corrects the NTSC problem when coming to author the dvd correctly.

From Chatwalkers board

erstellt am: 15/12/2002 um 13:17, Antwort 35
@chatwalker: Wann gibt es die 1.3.3 wieder zum Download ?

Wahrscheinlich morgen.

[clairehoward]

hi cool program but...
I am trying to copy The Great Escape pal version. The program is not picking up any keys, i have used dvd decrypter to find a key but the program will not decode the film even when i tell it the key? any succestions.

The second question is trying to copy pearl harbour it gives the same error as the american ver on page 9, problem with the audio, bad audio frame subscript out of range, i deselect all subs & only keep english, any ideas

thankyou

claire

[defense]

@ ROBW, thanks for the info. How can I run those "pulldown" options? I have the pulldown.exe GUI which I use, and when I try to click on pulldown itself, it opens up a dos window for a split second, and then it closes. How can I get into pulldown to type those commands you listed? And now that version 1.3.3 has a pulldown option in it, do I just need to run one of those commands you listed since there will already be a pulldown file? Thanks in advance

@defense
I prefer to use this pulldown GUI interface

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/pulldown_gui.html

As you click the radio buttons for the options the GUI begins to build the command line. When you press the go button it goes off and performs the functions you have selected. Works very nice. Just put the GUI in the same directory as pulldown.exe. I then put a link in my DVD2DVD-R folder so its easy to start.

Robw

[Chatwalker]

@claire

The problem with Pearl Harbor is caused by inconsistent bitrate at the end of the film. Go to 'Settings'-Tab and select 'ExpertMode'. Go to 'Input/Output'-Tab and deselect the last cell of the movie.

When you use a version lower than 1.3.2, be sure that 'Authenticate DVD-ROM' is selected on protected DVD's.

Regards
Chatwalker

[Valnar]

Does anyone have a good guide on how to use this tool, in conjunction with DVD Maestro, to keep all menus after CCE reencoding?

Thanks,
Robert

[Frenetic24]

I would like to add some of my findings as well.

I was converting Berserk dvd with 1.3.2 and used bitrateviewer to identify that this was a interlaced dvd. Bitrate viewer said that "topfield=true" so I though, ok I will check off upper filed first in dvd2dvd-r

Bad move, when there is minimal or no action, the image is clear and nice, but when theres any movement, everything becomes "jaggy and interlacy" almost unwatchable. I should have listened to the help file that came with dvd2dvd-r, because it states for interlaced dvd to not check off upper field first. So, I re-encoded without the option and it looks great!
whew.

oh and by the way, no forcefilm was used on either.

Frenetic

[romprod]

So what's the lowdown on this software then ? 1.3.3 not working completly ? 1.3.2 will work but we have to manually run pulldown.exe ?

I just would like to know as ive a couple of films that i'd like to make backups from.

@chatwalker Great software, exactly what was needed if you can sort these problems out

romprod

[defense]

@ROBW, thanks again for the reply. I actually use the same GUI and when I clicked a few buttons, I noticed that the commands were put in. For some reason though, I still was unable to get sync with my subtitles using the method you posted. Maestro said something about subtitles being out of sync. EVEN with removing the "output" file after the chapters were input and then adding the drop file and then subtitles, it still said out of syn error. I will try with a different movie.

There are two new problems I have though. Both with version 1.3.3 First, everything worked fine until DVD2DVDR got to pulldown....then I saw the log say looking for pulldown...ok..pulldown found..ok...something like that...but then I got an error that said "PERMISSION DENIED?" Any reason why this error happened? Thanks in advance

[wayned16]

I have cce version 2.50.01.00, dvd2dvdr 1.3.3 rips the dvd to the hdd, does all the checks, loads up dvd2avi to framserve, then loads up CCE, then does nothing. Am i supposed to load the ECL file then or does it supposed to do it? I tried to load the ECL file and it crashs CCE. i think this is because the AVS file has not got the line for the audio.
ResampleAudio(44100)

Any help on them few questions would be helpful. Also CCE is not installed in the default path, but DVD2DVDR found it and loaded it up.

And in the settings tab, do i have to tick Encode always, for the program to encode?

[romprod]

There's a problem with 1.3.3 where it launches cce but doesnt start it doing it's stuff.

romprod

[wayned16]

oh, so it should start doing it self but it dont, so you think i should downgrade to 1.32? i am new to this program and have not used it before. But what i have seen so far it looks awesum.

[Merciless]

I know that I may have missed it , but how do you take out the Cinemacraft banner in a re-encoded movie.

Did anyone else have the issue a CCE taking about 4 hours to do its thing? Is there a faster way to re-encode a movie that will still work good with DVD2DVDR?

[romprod]

Yeah, 1.3.3 should do that but it doesn't. 1.3.2 will work but you'll have to manually run the pull down commands yourself.

The cce banner is because you have the demo version off cce. Use the full version and it'll be fine.

romprod

@defense
check that you have subrip set for 30 fps. Follow the guide that I gave as a reference in one of my earlier messages on how to do this with subrip. I am not having problems with subtitles following the procedure that I posted.

With respect to your question on pulldown using DVD2DVD-R v 1.3.3 ... sorry I am still with 1.3.2 until the official working copy is released. I am not sure how chatwalker will implement pulldown. To get subtitles correctly authored with DVDMaestro we need two runs of pulldown one each with the following switches:
-prog_frames p
-prog_frames p -drop_frame true

@defense

Here is an excerpt from the guide that I previously referenced

Once the subtitles have been ripped, you will be presented with a new window containing the subtitle info. For the Output Format, select the “Spruce DVDMaestro (*.son)” tab and select “30.000 NTSC”. Select your colors and their respective contrast levels. Click the “Convert to this format” button. Next, click “File…Save As” and save the Sonic DVD Creator text file into the same directory you just ripped the subs to.

Be sure you follow this procedure to get a proper subrip file.

reference: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/maestro2.htm

[neogeosnk]

Ok.. Been trying to backup Lotr-Extended edition Ntsc. btw, dvd2dvdr rocks! Anyway, want to know what the setting are supposed to be for this movie. Upper Field first/progressive/zigzag is what bitrate viewer says it is. First try I checked off progressive and did zig-zag and when everything was said and done (burned on dvd) the dvd had jaggies and moved strange on high motion parts of the movie. Ok, that went in the trash. Next I did the same thing but checked off "force film" and did the pulldown.exe to set the flags. Results, well the dvd played too fast and no sound. I dont know what I'm doing wrong but it seems like the settings I'm choosing are wrong. I dont mind not having 3:2 pulldown since i'm watching this on a 27" tv.

Most nstc dvds seem to fall in the same catagory as Lotr-extended edition. Meaning they have the same characteristics as far as being progressive, and upper field first (that's what bitrate viewer says).

So i need help with this problem (Settings for ntsc). Basically i havent been able to successfully backup a Ntsc dvd yet..

Thanks!

[defense]

@ ROBW, thanks again. I did follow your entire guide, however, I did have something printed from Doom9 which was similar, however, yours was more specific. I think I did everything "except" change the frames in subrip to 30.00/NTSC. That must of been what did it. I guess I should use 1.3.2. instead of 1.3.3 due to the pulldown problems. Although, 1.3.3 seemed to do everything 1.3.2 did except when it started pulldown, I got a permission denied error. I think I will use 1.3.2 until ChatWalker makes 1.3.3 is fully functional. I appreciate all of your time and help. Your info has definitely saved me countless wasted DVD+/-R's, just with the info you supplied in IFOEdit and the frame deal. I was wondering why my time was constantly being reported as less. But now I know thanks to you, it isn't being reported incorrectly, it is actually the time, it's just the movie executes more frames then normal, thus having a quicker movie. Even if the audio stays in sync, which it does, and even if the movie still plays correctly, I still want the right length of the movie, so it's Maestro all the way!

I do have one last question ROBW. I never realized that there was an aspect ratio to change in Maestro. As a result, most of my 16:9 movies were added into Maestro's timeline as the default of 4:3. But when I played the movies, not realizing this..they played perfectly. They were still complied as 16:9, or it appears they were. I thought 4:3 is full screen, and most movies I watch are NTSC and 16:9. So when I read what you posted, I saw to change that option to 16:9 PS/LB, and that's what I did. But my question is...what did I do to my movies that were left at 4:3? They seem perfect, but I'm assuming something is wrong. And I Know the guide says to always change the aspect ratio to 16:9 LB/PS, but what if an original movie is full screen , like say, Mosters Inc...full screen version? Then should I leave Maestro at 4:3 when I complie? Thanks in advance once again.

[mosh]

@neogeosnk

you should tick

upper field
progressive
non-linear
ziz zag
and force film

also should tick encode always in the encoder settings

when you have ripped you will need to run the two .m2v files thru pulldown and then author with maestro

I never realized that there was an aspect ratio to change in Maestro. As a result, most of my 16:9 movies were added into Maestro's timeline as the default of 4:3. But when I played the movies, not realizing this..they played perfectly.

I believe the only difference will be in the use of your standalone DVD controller. When you enter the setup of your machine your 4:3 and 16:9 options may be switched around. Please take a look and let me know if this is the case.

robw

[neogeosnk]

So I have to do pulldown on the newly cce encoded mv2 and the original mv2? or do you mean :

Pulldown project.mpv output.m2v –prog_frames p
then use this one…
Pulldown project.mpv output-drop.m2v –prog_frames p –drop_frame true

is there a way to do the above in pulldown gui?

Is there a way to author using Ifoedit after pulldown?

Thanks for all the help..

So I have to do pulldown on the newly cce encoded mv2 and the original mv2?

See my previous message:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=397688#397688

you must run pulldown twice. One time each with the output from DVD2DVD-R. You are making two files with different pulldown codes. I also recommend that you take a look at the doom9 guide that I referenced in my message. This procedure is not a new one.

robw

[neogeosnk]

Then I can go into Infoedit and finish authoring with the newly flagged m2v file?

First, for NTSC videos that are primarily "film" type, you must use the "force film" option in DVD2DVD-R. Basically, this option makes DVD2AVI work properly. This is a program that DVD2DVD-R is using.

Second, for videos with which you have used the "force film" option, you must also use pulldown. Now if you don't want subtitles, your job is pretty simple. Just run pulldown without any options. If you want subtitles you must do the two-step approach that I outlined in my previous message.

Third, if you used "force film" and "pulldown" you can not use IfoEdit. It will produce a result that is too short. This has been extensively discussed in this forum and I suggest you go back and scan for this information. Basically, it comes down to IfoEdit authoring a video that has only 80% of the original frames. Thus a 60 minute video plays in 48 minutes, etc. There is no current way around this and that is why many people are struggling with alternatives. If you want subtitles and ac3 (dolby) sound you have a limited selection of authoring software to choose from. DVD Maestro works well but it is no longer sold or supported and presumably will no longer be upgraded.

robw

[HideOut]

Ok question regardign audio. Do i need to downsample audio? Ive been doing SVCD with DVD2SVCD and I now have a Pioneer OEM AO4 (cendyne.) Ive yet to burn with it cause I want to use this program here. I like simplicity, what can I say. Do I need to downsample audio for DVD-R? Heck, from what I've read I dont even need to for SVCD but I might be wrong there though. Whats the scoop?
Thanks,
HideOut

Here are some recommendations when using Bitrateviewer.




Set DVD2DVD-R as follows:
if DCT-type is Frame then check progressive frames and zigzag scanning order. If it is Field then uncheck both zigzag scanning order and progressive frames.

use the Field topfirst to set the Upper field first setting. This is a tricky field and I haven't found a definitive answer to it. If your video is jerky during high action scenes you could try to reencode and reverse your setting for this option. For now I am following the advice of Bitrateviewer.

Reference: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd.htm

Only use linear quantizer scale for MPEG-1 where quantization is allocated linearly. Non-linear is recommended unless there is a special reason. However, in the doom9 guide "Getting the best out of CCE" the statement is made that the original author of of Bitrateviewer has stated that setting the linear quantizer scale yields better quality. Therefore, you need to make a choice here between conflicting advice. I plan to NOT use linear quantizer scale for now.

References:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvd2svcd/1.0.9b2/dvd2svcd_advref.pdf
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/cce-advanced.htm

[neogeosnk]

I think i got ... thanks RobW..
So if i dont do "force film" and dont do pulldown,
and I do subtiles, the output m2v file should be able to be
authored by ifoedit? The only reason i want to use ifoedit to author is that i just need the movie and no menus so it's easier for me. Dont understand Maestro that well so everyone's help is greatly appreciated!!
(maybe a DVDMaestro for Dummies is in order for me)

Thank You Vcdhelp Community..

[clairehoward]

Thankyou Chatwalker for your help, i am trying it tonight on pearl harbour

Claire

[mosh]

@neogeosnk

you can't author ntsc in ifoedit becasue there is a bug which converts the m2v you have just corrected in pulldown to its original state before pulldown. you will need to author with maestro