cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[KaoS]

I guess renaming the VOB's in the second DIR and put them in the first DIR with the other VOB's.
Then create a new IFO-file in IfoEdit and don't forget to hit Get VTS Sectors (in a secons startup of IfoEdit).

-BK-

So I can use the VOBs that DVD2DVDR creates instead of the m2v file?

Ifoedit is not suppose to recognize the pulldown flags. These flags are recognize by your mpeg decoder in the stand along player to upconvert the framerate from 23.976 to 29.97 fps.
I had use pulldown.exe with Ifoedit 0.95 a lot of times, succesfully !!!

So I think your problem must be in other procedure...

What OS, DVD2DVDR version, and other programs are you using?

Antonio S.

Antonio,
This does not seem right. Please look at my last message. The same audio+video stream authored in ifoedit produces a 100 minute movie. In Maestro it produces the correct length which is 120 minutes. Both contain the same number of chapters, etc. [/quote]

[NYPlayer]

There is a bug with ifoedit and NTSC Pulldown. Derrow is well aware of this. You can check the DOOM9 forum for more details.

[NYPlayer]

See this thread.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39155&highlight=ifoedit+pulldown+bug

@chatwalker
After reviewing the above links and my own experience it is now clear that authoring with IfoEdit will be useless until (if?) there is a bug fix. Any movie that is authored with IfoEdit that uses force film/pulldown will play back 29.97/23.976 = 1.25 times too fast.

Adding an option to DVD2DVD-R that produces files for another authoring software would be marvelous. As of v1.3.2, I don't think Scenarist was working when force film is being used. A working option for Scenarist or Maestro would be a very useful addition.

[KaoS]

@chatwalker
After reviewing the above links and my own experience it is now clear that authoring with IfoEdit will be useless until (if?) there is a bug fix. Any movie that is authored with IfoEdit that uses force film/pulldown will play back 29.97/23.976 = 1.25 times too fast.

Does the movie actually play back fast or just report it being fast? As far as I know, the movie will actually play and look normal, the time just reports fast. There is a big difference between the two

To me, having a fake time on my DVD player is no big deal for me until this is fixed

Does the movie actually play back fast or just report it being fast? As far as I know, the movie will actually play and look normal, the time just reports fast. There is a big difference between the two

To me, having a fake time on my DVD player is no big deal for me until this is fixed

I did a careful look at this and my result is the same as others have reported. The movie is ACTUALLY shorter. You are seeing fewer frames. You can look at the ifo file and see there are fewer frames.

Also, just to be sure. I played a movie last night that was 100 minutes. Started a stopwatch and sure enough, it took 100 minutes. The original played in 120 minutes.

Its a rather amazing problem because the audio stays in sync and it is hard to tell a difference. But, a difference there is ... you get a shorter movie.

[Antonio S.]

robw:

When you use PULLDOWN.EXE (assuming that you have the gui), what settings are you using ?

The only option that I am using is "add pulldown flags". There are other options, like change framerate from 23.976 to 29.97, that I NEVER use.
I never have problems using pulldown/Ifoedit method. The first beta release of Ifoedit (0.95 pre 1), use to have problems with pulldown, but not latest release. That is why I insist that the trouble may be in other program...

About new DVD2DVD-r ver 1.3.3, I can not make it work. When it tries to encode it just stop...
Does any one has the same problem?

Antonio S.

[dc91gt]

I'm almost certain now this ifoedit problem is what is causing the chapter advance freeze on my pioneer c503.

Letting it play back from start to finish it's fine - hit chapter advance - it searches, plays for a few seconds and freezes.

Burning a DVD that the complete disk is less then 4.7 gb (ie bypassing dvd2dvd-r, ifoedit, etc and just using smart ripper to nero the freeze problem goes away.

-d

Antonio:

when I use pulldown i do not add options. That means I am taking all the defaults.

With respect to the "missing movie time" problem. As I pointed out a few messages ago, I was able to take a movie with missing time and rip it again to audio+video streams. Then I reauthored using Maestro. The video thus re-made has the correct play time. This eliminates all possibilities (I think) except the authoring software.

The problem is conclusively with IfoEdit.

[-BK-]

DVD2DVD-R 1.3.3, Starts CCE but does not start the encoding process.
It does everything through the DVD2AVI then it starts CCE but it just sits there nothing happens. I had no problems with Previous Versions.

I have the same problem... must be a bug in this version.
I loaded the ECL-file made by DVD2DVD-R manually and hope this will work?

-BK-

[dc91gt]

edited.

[rjsmyth]

Likewise had to manually started CCE. Will see if the program runs pulldown later. I am using Scenarist mode if this info is any use to Chatwalker

[-BK-]

I'm running in IfoEdit mode...

CCE popped-up but didn't load the ECL-file!

I didn't shut down DVD2DVD-R and now I see in Windows task Manager that DVD2DVD-R is running at +90% for more then 1.5 hours ???

I thought CCE might be running, but I can't find CCE itself in the taskmanager

What's happening?

Someone else told me he had no probs running 1.3.3 and CCE started up as usual?

HELP !!!

-BK-

[Antonio S.]

Same problem...

I start manually encoding process. After that, pulldown never start...


Antonio S.

[Revilo]

Revilo said:

"The problem with authoring a pulldown file in ifoedit is that ifoedit doesn't seem to recognize the pulldown flags. Ignoring these, you end up with a movie that plays 30 frames in the time it should play 24, hence your total movie time is .8 what it should be. The entire movie is there, but it is playing too fast, you just may not realize it unless you pay close...

"This is completely wrong!!!

Ifoedit is not suppose to recognize the pulldown flags. These flags are recognize by your mpeg decoder in the stand along player to upconvert the framerate from 23.976 to 29.97 fps.
I had use pulldown.exe with Ifoedit 0.95 a lot of times, succesfully !!!

So I think your problem must be in other procedure...

What OS, DVD2DVDR version, and other programs are you using?

Antonio S.

Antonio, no it's not wrong. This problem with ifoedit authoring is well documented. I have done exactly what Robw has done, authored the EXACT same pulldown m2v file with ifoedit and spruceup, and only the ifoedit dvd has the problem. I am using ifoedit v.95 as well, although strangely it says .94 at the top of the program, another issue also documented. As far as ifoedit identifying the pulldown.. Unlike you, I can't claim to know what an authoring program is or isn't suppose to do, but I can say it appears that it needs to add some sort of information to the .vob's for it to come out properly.
In regards to your ifoedit authoring working proper.. Are your sources NTSC 24fps (i.e. "film")? Are you using force film in dvd2avi? If so, and you don't have a problem like everyone else has with a "shorter" film, then I would like to know your secret because your the only one that seems to be able to author with ifoedit in these cases. I have searched the message boards here and at doom9 for over a week trying to find an answer, and no one but you seems to have one.

Revilo

[Chatwalker]

Hi all

I've tested 1.3.3 on a german W2K (AMD XP2200+) and on a english XP system (P4 2.4GHz). It is possible, that the time DVD2DVD-R wait for CCE to fire up (1 sec) is too short on slower machines. I will change this instanly.

Regards
Chatwalker

[-BK-]

Hi Chat!

My machine is indeed a slower 1.4 Ghz Ahtlon
OS = Windows 2000 UK.

Did Tomkill contact you about this?

Tnx !!

-BK-

[dc91gt]

Hi all

I've tested 1.3.3 on a german W2K (AMD XP2200+) and on a english XP system (P4 2.4GHz). It is possible, that the time DVD2DVD-R wait for CCE to fire up (1 sec) is too short on slower machines. I will change this instanly.

Regards
Chatwalker

Chatwalker,

Excellent program you've written here and remarkably bug free given it's just you coding it.

Having said this, the current issue with IFOEDIT not handling Pulldown properly has made the software somewhat useless at the moment. Any chance in the upcoming versions to have it generate and output that other
authoring software could use directly (read easily) like Maestro? or similar.

Btw, if you need help with testing, I'd be happy to. I'm a system level programmer, but haven't the time to help you code with my current workload, but could certainly test stuff and provide you will useful feedback.

Thanks,
D

[dc91gt]

FYI - on my chapter advance - causing a freeze up after like 3 seconds of play (where if you just don't touch anything and let the movie run it plays normally).

I tested it in 3 other players today:

Pioneer 333
Pioneer 343
RCA 5240P

These are all in the top 10 of players on this site (including my player the C503).

The problem exists on all of them.. so IFOEdit screwing up the 3:2 has to be the issue - since the media played back just fine on these players until you did a chapter advance or fastforward.

-d

[Frenetic24]

@robw

I may have a stupid question: Is topfield in bitrateviewer the same thing as upper field first in dvd2dvd-r? I am asking because if bitrateviewer says my dvd is interlaced and it says topfield=true I would think I need to check the upper field first optin in dvd2dvd-r (even though they say not to check it with interlaced video in the help file that comes with dvd2dvd-r)

thanks, any clarification on this will be greatly appreciated.

Frenetic

[mosh]

I too received a error in 1.3.3 (Sorry didn't make a note of it).

The log showed that pulldown had a OK next to it but the process after this failed i think it was dvd2avi error.

So i ran Pulldown manually on the .m2v file.

Has there seems to be a problem with Authoring NTSC dvds in ifoedit,
reguarding the time and chapters, Has anyone tried to author the .m2v and .ac3 files in spruce and manually set the chapter points.

I tried and received not enough disc space error so i removed my menus i had created and just left main movie with chapter points in but still got this error, can anyone give me an idea of how much space i should reserve in order for me to put a 2 screen menu, 1 has main menu and other for chapters. because spruce doesn't give option to continue on so that it can create all the vobs etc, in order for me to see how much over these put it out.

Has a test i Authored Dvd in Ifoedit and the files will fit onto a dvd-r and done a DvD-r size check and it reports that i have 77mb free.

[jcb1888]

im new to this can someone please help me out.
i used dvd2dvdr to rip and re-encode a dual layerd movie
but after it ripped the movie (which took 3 hours!!!)
i got a dvd2avi error the program is in the same folder as dvd2dvdr
but didnt start up.
in the out put folder i ended up with a m2v file which is 4.6 gigs
and ac3 file which is 3000meg. this is to big to fit onto a dvdr.
anyone any ideas what went wrong??

[mosh]

@jcb1888
I got this on 1.3.2 not the error but the movie to big and thought it was something i missed.

I got around this by re-encoding and setting a reserve space of 20mb and ticking encode always in the settings section and then you should find that it will fit onto a dvd-r.

@all
It might help a lot of people here if that when a successful dvd has been created if you could post the details of film and settings used in order for us to help each other out.

At the moment i have only done PAL films which have came out perfect and am only now trying NTSC ones. I will be trying over the weekend the following NTSC ones We Were Soldiers and Black Hawk Down

[romprod]

I have 1.3.3 and i've got the problem where cce 2.5 starts up but doesnt do anything and then dvd2dvdr uses 100% cpu forever untill i quit the task.

This is a p4 2.4ghz system so mayeb it isn't related to 'slow' machines ??

rp

[Espen]

I can't change any options in the MPEG encoder menu . Can someone help me with this problem?

[mosh]

@espen

have you loaded in a dvd or mounted a image of one

Some of you that are new and perhaps having a little trouble might like to look at the following guide

http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R/
now press the top tab, 2nd from the right that is labelled DVD5/9 2 DVDR

You will be taken to a page with a guide that shows how to run DVD2DVD-R. They have also recently put in a little discussion on the use of bitrateviewer which can help you to make decisions about setting up the encoder.

Now the bad news: The guide is written in Dutch. Still, I think you can puzzle through the writing (I could) and get a lot of information.

[-BK-]

@robw

Tnx for the link 2 my website
I made it in Dutch, my native language, because there are a lot of tutorials online, most of them written in English.
People that don't understand Dutch, can always contact me

@all

Chatwalker is aware of the problem with the latest version of his kewl proggie (DVD2DVD-R version 1.3.3).
I am currently testing version 1.3.3b. Already tested 1.3.3a but same problem starting up CCE...
I'm sure Chat will work this out! :P
These versions are not available for download as they are testversions.

Greetz,

-BK-

[Antonio S.]

@BK

I also have the same problem with 1.3.3, 1.3.3a, and 1.3.3b. The encoding process never start.

Chatwalker is aware of this problem...

Antonio S.