cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[defense]

@kidhop, thanks for the info. I will try it again without force film checked. Thanks

[FinalFactor7]

I could also supply a mirror for the new version if you e-mail it to me.

FinalFactor7

[Mr.Pouet]

Too bad site is down, i wanna try this soft so bad :P

Btw, i can mirror the file too.

-UPDATE-

I found a link : http://www.magazinwelt.de/download/software/DVD2DVDR_1.3.2.zip

[rjsmyth]

Chatwalker

It is a shame you have dropped the chapters option in DVD2DVDR_1.3.2 as this was useful for checking we had the correct parameters set. Will it be back in a later version? BTW great program flawless so far with PAL DVDs.

[Bond8089]

the new 1.3.2 is cutting the movie down for me.....the movie was 110min long and for some reason it is cutting it down to 91min. Also the film was still jumpy....so i dunno what is up

Bond...........James Bond

[rhettd]

Chatwalker

It is a shame you have dropped the chapters option in DVD2DVDR_1.3.2 as this was useful for checking we had the correct parameters set. Will it be back in a later version? BTW great program flawless so far with PAL DVDs.

the chapters option is still there, go to settings and select "expert mode"

[rhettd]

--edit-- nevermind, figured out how to make an image

[Chatwalker]

@Bond8089

When you've used the 'ForceFilm'-Option you have to run pulldown.exe with the new encoded video to set the pulldownflags properly. Then your movie will have 110min instead of 91 min.
The commandline should look like this:

pulldown.exe Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v Pulldown.m2v

Now you can delete the file Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v and rename the file Pulldown.m2v to Video_0xE0_NEW.m2v. Complete the process with authoring.

In the future DVD2DVD-R will automate the complete process.

Regards
Chatwalker

P.S.: You will find Pulldown.exe in the Directory \DVD2DVDR\Pulldown\

[HideOut]

Doom9's Guide for SVCD (ttp://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd.htm) is awesome. Will there be a similar guide for this progy soon? Whens your site gonna be back up? Ive got the 1.3.2 version just havnt used it yet. Im hoping a few more bugs and more automation will be in before I jump in. I have yet to use my burner. I wanna be right the first time
HideOut

[Frenetic24]

I have a question, what does this forcefilm option do exactly? because I have ripped 3 dvd's with 1.3.2 without the option (ntsc dvd's - 2 progressive and one was interlaced) and they all came out great! subtitles and all, perfect timing!

So in what circumstances would you need to use forcefilm?? (converting pal to ntsc?)

thanks

frenetic

ps: this software friggin rocks!
great job Chatwalker, expect a donation from my part as well

By setting "Force Film" you are encoding at 23.976 frames per second (some call this 24 fps). This means you should be getting better quality from your encoder because fewer frames are occuring per second. However, for playback we must follow the television standard which for most of the world is NTSC at 29.97 fps (some call this 30 fps). Movies (aka Film) are shot at 24 frames per second (fps).

Thus, after encoding we must change back to the NTSC format so we convert the 24 distinct frames in a second of film into 30 new frames that can be played back on television; if you were to ignore this different frame rate and attempt to play back your film material at a 1:1 ratio with
video frames, your material would play back at 125% of the actual speed -- a one minute film clip would playback in 48 seconds!

During "telecine" (aka film-to-tape transfer) when film material is transferred to video, a 3:2 pulldown sequence is introduced into the footage which mixes alternating combinations of 3 and 2 video fields. This sequence essentially stretches the 24 frames in a second of film into 30 frames, so that when they are played back as video they transpire in the same 1 second that they would have on film.

Why does 3:2 pulldown work? Because there are 2 fields per frame of NTSC (see the fields white paper for more info on fields and NTSC) which adds up to 60 fields in a second. 24 and 60 have a common denominator of 12; 2*12=24, and 3*12=36. Thus, by mixing 2 and 3 patterns of fields
(24+36), we get to 60 fields in a second.

For a more detailed explanation of Film-to-Video frame rate conversion for NTSC, see: http://www.plasmadeals.com/classroom/Proscanexplained.htm

From my own experience I found that movies of film type (>95% film) require the "Force Film" setting or the final encoding comes out jittery.

[nick_thorpe]

Hi Guys - just manage to backup AOTC to one disk using cce 2.5 - problem I have is the damn logo is still there - anyone know a way of removing it ?

Thanks,

Nick

Also, a comment on the interlace issue. If you don't have the 'Force Film' option checked in DVD2AVI and then frameserve to CCE you will get interlace of each frame. When you checked the 'Force Film' option this problem is history.

[defense]

I just tried to back up Harry Potter and now I don't have the audio sync issues with 1.3.2, but I have some type of "blur" i certain parts of the film when watching in my standalone. I followed every single option for NTSC and Progressive films, which that one is, and when I started the film, it seemed perfect, but after I went to the fourth or fifth chapter, I saw some "blur" on the picture. Every so often the picture would be clear as crystal and then the "blur" would just come back. I don't know what this is. It doubt it would t be my DVD Standalone, as that plays CVD'S, XVCD'S, SVCD',S DVD-R'S DVD-+RW'S , and about every other format with no problem. I bought my standalone for about $100 at Bestbuy after evaluating this forum's DVD player list up and down. At any rate, what would cause this "blurr" to occur? Some chapters start out clear as crystal and then all of a sudden there is a distortion and a blur. I don't know if this is what that "interlace" refers to, but that movie is "progressive" and I set all of the options to "true" and "false" as I was said to do for progressive films. I didn't run pulldown.exe or anything after it was done, I just added the film straight to Maestro. Should I have run pulldown.exe on this movie? Any help with this problem would be appreciated. Thanks

[Bond8089]

@chat

Hey, i did use pulldown, and no matter what movie i do....it cuts it short. I have no idea what is going on.......has 1.3.2 been tested with NTSC ??

Bond..........James Bond

[Revilo]

Force Film, NTSC and movie length problem:

IFOedit .95 has a bug when authoring pulldown files. I have experimented with this and there are other threads about this problem. If you have to author with IFOedit, you can't use force film. This of course creates more problems, mainly poor video quality and interlacing issues. I have emailed Derrow about this, and he will try to fix it in the future, but he is busy with another project right now. For now, the best solution is to find another authoring program.

Revilo

[Revilo]

Adding to my previous post.. I just read some forum news that Derrow will be with 321 studios for the near.. and maybe long future (although there wasn't any specifics on whether he would continue work on ifoedit, but i'm thinking they won't let him). Maybe it would be possible for someone with the knowledge to take a look at ifoedit's authoring function and see if they can fix the pulldown problem?? If so, with Derrow's permission (if needed), we could post a link to the fixed, unofficial ifoedit that properly authors pulldown files?? Chatwalker, you think you could give it a shot?

Revilo

[klampe]

Hello all

I have a stupid question , but please help im still a newbie

what is the difference between Progressive & interlace movie ?
and how do i check it ?

and What is the best settings for each one ?

Hope anyone will help

Regards

Tom

Anyway i love this program , please continue the great work chatwalker

a feature that could be nice in future versions , is a shut down function
like in dvd2svcd , it shut down the computer when it has ended the encoding process

[-BK-]

Hi all,

When the server dvd2dvd-r.de is down, you can still download the latest version of the software from my site http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R which also includes some Dutch tutorials for backing up DVD movies...



-BK-

[Josh4u]

Sadly no-one able to explain why this proggy is sooo slow Why not give the option to run the prog on a dvd that is already decrypted to the HD - dvd2dvdr takes about 3-4 hours to rip the dvd instead of 20-30 minutes via dvd decrypter???

Great idea for most newbies but still so slow otherwise

Hopefully since the guy behind this software is good at what he does i'm sure with future releases more "options" will become available :P

[-BK-]

You can always put an ISO from the DVD on your HD and mount it as a virtual drive...

[Josh4u]

Hi -BK-

Thanks for your suggestion re putting the dvd as an ISO on a virtual drive, but would dvd2dvdr not still try and decrypt the image thus still taking hours instead of minutes?

Going in the right direction and thanks for your idea.

Josh

it is very fast ripping from virtual drive. Using Daemon I usually get a 17 to 20x read rate. Just takes minutes to rip once you've got the ISO.

@chatwalker
I have a question also. Since the issue of movie time discussed above using IFOEDIT I have switched to authoring with Maestro. I would like to use the ripped DVD2DVD-R subtitles. What format are you using for your subtitles. With this information I can probably find a conversion program to go to *.son format necessary for Maestro.

I believe Scenarist approach is not working for NTSC (force film) - can anyone confirm whether they are able to author directly to Scenarist.

Thank you

[dc91gt]

Hi all,

When the server dvd2dvd-r.de is down, you can still download the latest version of the software from my site http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R which also includes some Dutch tutorials for backing up DVD movies...



-BK-

BK,

thanks for the link and hosting it. However, do you by chance have
the english version on your site? I don't read dutch very well, lol.

Btw, if anyone has the english version, I can host it.

-d

[defense]

@ chatwalker, or anyone who can answer a couple of questions regarding new version 1.3.2 of DVD2DVDR.

disregard my last post. I found out it was that I didn't run pulldown afterwards. I do have one question though. I noticed that when I played Harry Potter, everything played fine, but the time differential was way off. The total movie is about 150 minutes and all the chapters played fine on my standalone player, but the problem was with the accurate time showing. Each chapter played almost like the original, but when the final movie was over, it showed the movie as being less then 2 hours long, when in fact, it is a half an hour longer. All the chapters are where they are supposed to be and I'm reading posts on this forum that this has to do with .IFOedit. Is this the problem people are referring to? If so, does this just affect the time, or does it affect the movie as well, meaning, are there scenes cut out or missing? If it's just an error in the time, I really don't mind it, although I could use Maestro myself.

One other thing to note, I used subtitles as well through .IFOedit, for Harry Potter, and followed the instructions perfectly. The subtitles played fine, however, they were a little higher then they should of been on the screen. The subtitles were actually pertruding through the bottom pard of the video. It isn't very noticeable, but the top line of the subtitles go through a little of the video. On the original movie, they are all in the "border" or the black part of the screen. Any info or help as to why this is happening? Thanks in advance

[defense]

UPDATE, I just checked the subtitles with "LOTR" which I made the same way with DVD2DVDR and IFOEdit. The subtitles are in the black border under the video if "one" sentence is spoken only. If there are alot of words, and there are two or more sentences, the subtitles are a little higher up then they should be. Maybe a half an inch or an inch at most, but they actually pertrude into the video from the bottom. Not enough to really interfere with the ability to use subtitles, but if someone could post if they have had the same problems or what causes this and how to rectify it, it would be appreciated. Thanks

[Frenetic24]

@robw

Thank you very much for the info, I didnt know that!!!

I have yet another small question, the movies I have ripped without the forcefilm option, are anime movies (cartoons) do you think thats the reason I dont see any loss of quality on my rips? I did 3 so far, and they all look flawless! I cant tell the diff between them and the original.

Do you think animation dvd's could not need the forcefilm option??

thanks

Frenetic

@Frenetic24

I can't really say why you have not noticed a difference with or without "force film". My own experience is that it is quite noticeable, especially on high action scenes. With such action I notice a jerky playback when I encode at 29.97 (no force film) which is far smoother when I do an alternate encode at 23.976 (force film) followed with a 3:2 pulldown.

By the way your results will also be impacted by other features that you have chosen. variable bit rate encoding (vbr 2 pass) for example should improve perfomance since this process tries to reserve more bits for high action scenes. If the film is progressive (meaning it is scanned entirely from top to bottom) be sure you are using progressive.

Chatwalker's DVD2DVD-R seems to get these settings right but I usually check them with birateviewer and if in doubt I make a small sample encode. The way to do this is to just select one chapter. Then under the options be sure to check the "always encode" (I think that's what he calls it). Then in the MPEG options panel be sure to reserve enough space so that the minimum bit rate is less than the maximum (just keep bumping the reserve up until the minimum starts to drop). I usually do a test encode by forcing the minimum bit rate to around 2100 bps.

QUESTION: without a doubt, I find Ifoedit far more convenient to use versus other authoring software. Like others on this board I have noticed that film encoded by "force film" and later converted back to 29.97 with pulldown and then final authoring with Ifoedit appear perfect except the play time is reported as shorter than it should be.

Has anyone done a careful test using their standalone player to see if this is just an error in reporting the time or are actual scenes cut or playing too fast? If you start a movie in your standalone player does the clock on your player show actual elapsed time or is it running too slow.

If we are convinced that the clock is wrong but the actual encode is fine, then I can live with this small bug. If someone has looked into this please let us know. I will look into this myself soon if no one else has done so already.

Thanks

[Frenetic24]

@robw

Thank you for answering me and thanks for the tips!

I always use vbr 3 pass (i have nothing better to do) and like you said, I downloaded bitrate viewer to always check the original vob file to see if its progressive or interlaced (great trick btw, thank you). So I can then apply the appropriate settings in dvd2dvdr 1.3.2 So for these steps it has given me great results without the forcefilm option, but again this only in anime movies. I have yet to try a real movie (like lotr, or harry potter) then i would use forcefilm methinks

Maybe forcefilm does not apply to animation because it isnt "filmed" in 23.9fps since its a cartoon, but rendered that way than converted back to 29.9? whos knows, but for myself, the pulldown is an extra step I can avoid with anime.