cool new package DVD2DVDR ... !

[JWhit]

DVD2DVDR seems to do everything except burn the DVD. What is the advantage of using Scenarist or DVDMaestro? I do not have either of these 2 programs, but the IFOedit seems to be working fine.

Thanks

[sfxwe]

@JWhit


If you r doing NTSC DVDs then DO NOT I repeat DO NOT use IFO Edit to author the DVD........Use one of the other 2 programs u mentioned.

Did I mention to NOT use IFO Edit to author your DVD hehe

[JWhit]

@SFXWE,

Thanks for the advise. I am using NTSC DVD's. Unfortunately, I do not have either of the other 2 programs. I have used IFOedit for 2 DVD's since version 1.4.5 has been r4eleased. So far both play in my Toshiba DVD player. However, from reading this thread, everyone is shying away from IFOedit. What kind of problems should I be looking for?

Thanks

[sfxwe]

@JWhit

Bro, not to sound harsh, but you really should read this thread. But to make things easy, I will say this......

IFOEdit has a known problem when muxing the video and audio during a dvd creation. If you look at the IFO file from the original and the one created by IFOEdit, you will see that there is appro 80 less frames and the time for each cell is shorter. Now if you author with IFOEdit, and play the DVD in a set top player it will actually play faster. Example 60 min movie will play in 48 min NOT 60 min. I learned that from rob w....... so big thanks to him.


Now some more info..... I have a DVD player that will correct for this problem, so if you have a DVD player that will do this, well then I guess you could author with IFOEdit. One problem though, if you take it to a friends house and his player doesn't have this feature, well then I guess your screwed. My advice make a true complaint DVD using another authoring program.....

PS. My new TV will also correct a video @ 24 FPS and show it @ 29.97 for NTSC ....again if someone else doesn't then your screwed ......so make the right kind of DVD, as it will pay off in the future.......just my 2 cents

[JWhit]

@SFXWE,

Thanks for your help. I will try and check this out. Not sure if my DVD player corrects for this. As for the thread, I am still reading it. Lots of good info in it. I read about the muxing issue just wasn't sure what it meant until you explain it. I thought this meant the sound and the audio would get out of synch as the movie played. Sorry misunderstood, since the DVD did play all the way through.

I will take your advice and see if I can get Scenarist. Do not need probs. in the future.

As for being too harsh, well no pain no gain. Can not expect to be given everything. I have alot of catching up to do, you guys are doing a great job.

Thanks again

[defense]

what's up all? Hope everything is cool on the DVD tip.


@sfxwe, what's up bro'? Those Screen Captz look like Shit too. Have you tried different media? What media are you using? on a 50+ inch TV, you can't tell the difference between LOTR original or my 2 Pass VBR. On the two sets you sent me, they both look like VHS quality...and possibly worse.

[sfxwe]

@defense


Check this out.........I ran DVD2DVDr with a 2 pass with the min and max vaules changed to min = 100 and max = to the highest it would go. When it was done the screen caps looked about the same as the second set of screen caps i sent ya. I then look at the ripped m2v video and it look the same ?!?!?!?!?! wierd huh?

Can you do me a favor and look at those screen shots on your version and see what they look like. Maybe my original DVD is screwed up .

Let me know if ya can please......

Thanks

[defense]

@sfxwe, I don't think your original is screwed up, but I guess it is possible. You still haven't said what type of DVD media you are using. I just checked my "backup" and those scenes are CRYSTAL CLEAR. I know that certainly won't make you feel any better, but what media are you using and what speed are you burning at. Also, is your entire backup perfectly clear but towards those scenes of the river you sent..is there more distortion/artifacts ONLY with those scenes?

[ArrogantBastard]

@defense...

For your backup of LOTR did you manually adjust any of the DVD2DVD-R setting for bitrate or just use the default? I am getting ready to do a backup of mine and was wondering.

@all

I played with the Scenarist chapters more and the only thing I found was that if you set the drop frame flag in the encoding then the chapters are WAY off. Sometimes by as much a 18 minutes. If you don't set that your chapters are usually off by about 4 seconds at the end of the movie (which is exactly as reported by babaji).

So hopefully this is a minor fix coming down, but for now I feel no need to manually adjust the chapers. I like the ease of Scenarist too much.

AB

[defense]

@defense...

For your backup of LOTR did you manually adjust any of the DVD2DVD-R setting for bitrate or just use the default? I am getting ready to do a backup of mine and was wondering.

@AB, I "never" change any of the default settings in DVD2DVDR because I feel there is no need to. ChatWalker has done a remarkable job setting those defaults and I have yet to see any reason to adjust them. I never run more then a 2 Pass VBR on ANY movie, and usually a 1 PASS VBR. However, all action movies, especially High action movies such as LOTR were encoded using a 2 PASS VBR. To say the quality looks fantastic, would be an understatement.

I would just run a 2 PASS VBR on it and watch how great it comes out. Let us know. Also, thanks for your continued tests with Scenarist. I have still never used Scenarist, because I know from reading ChatWalker still has things to work on, but I have a much better understanding of it and reading your posts give me even more info to be able to test Scenarist with the next release or so.

[ArrogantBastard]

@defense...

Thanks for the bitrate tip... I will be trying this over the next week or so. I also have to do Gladiator and Braveheart.

You should definately give Scenarist a try. I love Maestro, but the script that DVD2DVD-R provides is great. Just load the script, watch the imports, click one box and then start the compile. Overall time for a DVD compile is about 28 minutes. Not bad considering I have no changes to make.

All you have to live with is that Subs are not directly supported and the chapters can be about 4 seconds off by the end of the movie. Just NEVER set the drop_frame parameter. The chapters get way off then.

I hope you give it a try soon. I'm glad your up on 1.4.6 with the rest of us.

AB

[defense]

@ AB, thanks again for those Scenarist Tips. Intersting on the timing though because It takes Maestro between 8-10 minutes to check my .m2v file, and another 10 to complie it. All in all, with the 1 minutes to set the aspect ratio, delete the menu's, and set first play, it comes down to approximately 20 minutes for everything on my system using Maestro.

Anyway, just to let you know..I also backed up "Gladiator" and BRAVEHEART using the same method with DVD2DVDR and CCE. And once again, the quality was STUNNING on 'ONE' DVDR! I actually thought about using 2 disks and saving everything..menu's and all for "BRAVEHEART" because that is still my all-time Favorite movie!

I get pumped the F*&^%K up everytime I see it. But I decided I would do the same with that as all other movies, and the quality is superb. Let us know how your backups of those three come out. Thanks again for all your advice/info.

[rob w]

a new version 1.4.7-Beta is available. Here is a (rough) translation of the new vesion

A new beta version DVD2dvd-r 1.4.7 is available for a short time in the download area. You can download this version and report in the beta forum on the positive and also negative impressions. Complete Scenarist NT subtitle, as well as support for the MainConcept Encoder 1.3.1 is new. Also, you can now select and location as source or destination. Furthermore you can now switch of bitrate tweaking.

- Support for MainConcept Encoder 1.3.1
- Subtitlesupport for Scenarist NT
- now it is possible to select each directory as source and destination
- now it is possible to disable the Bitrate-Tweaking
- Bitrate-Tweaking is only shown, when CCE SP 2.6x is selected
- 'AddAudio()' only added to AVS-Script when CCE SP 2.50 is selected
- Option added that delete unnecessary Files
- Bitratecalculation modified
- estimated totalSize is also shown when a audio- or subtitletrack is deselected
- GUI modified
- some minor changes

http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de/

[sfxwe]

Sorry I have NOT responded promptly in the last couple of days......I have a family emergency.......and may not respond for awhile, so If I disappear for a week or two you'll know why .

@defense

Well, the media wouldn't matter at this point due to the fact that the screen caps I made were NOT from the BU DVD I made but from the raw re-encoded m2v video stream that DVD2DVDr created.......Again I see some artifacts in the original (the 7GB) stripped m2v stream too. So maybe the ISO image on my HD is corrupt or when I ripped the DVD maybe the DVD Rom I am using is bad..... /me shrugs......

Thanks for checking your version and for letting me know the results.....

I think what I need to do is watch the original DVD on my computer and do a screen cap of it and compare it to the stripped and re-encode m2v video streams created by DVD2DVDr. When I get a chance I will post my results although it may be a few days to a week or so.

[mosh]

there is a new version out 1.4.7 (Beta) on Chats site

Ver 1.4.7 [09.04.2003]
- Support for MainConcept Encoder 1.3.1
- Subtitlesupport for Scenarist NT
- now it is possible to select each directory as source and destination
- now it is possible to disable the Bitrate-Tweaking
- Bitrate-Tweaking is only shown, when CCE SP 2.6x is selected
- 'AddAudio()' only added to AVS-Script when CCE SP 2.50 is selected
- Option added that delete unnecessary Files
- Bitratecalculation modified
- estimated totalSize is also shown when a audio- or subtitletrack is deselected
- GUI modified
- some minor changes

[arcorob]

for the person who asked
Anyone Try A Later version of CCE

The answer is ...Yes.

I have used the Latest SP (I think it is 2.62 ? ) and it works just fine. No checksum error and no issue with the release...so

I still think it is bit cumbersome though........

[sfxwe]

@arcorob

Ok, but was the newer version better? Was it faster? Looking for some info regarding the newer versions.......?

[JWhit]

Anyone have problems with backing up Saving Private Ryan (NTSC), using DVD2DVDR? I am currently using version 1.4.5. The program runs and finishes correctly, but when I go back to play it, there is no audio. I do not have this problem with any of the other DVD's. I am still using IFOedit to author, until I get another program setup.

Also, any suggestions on how to increase rip speeds? With DVD2DVDr it is taking me about 3 hours to rip a movie. It takes 30-45minutes with DVD decryter. I am using a Cendyne 105 drive?



Thanks

[rob w]

I just did 2 chapters of a NTSC DVD using 1.4.7-beta in Scenarist mode including subtitles. Beautiful sync of both audio and subtitles!!! Will take more testing to see if this holds for the full movie. This is a big move forward folks.

UPDATE: did a re-encode of an NTSC using a 30 minute segment. Results of subtitles was perfect sync!!

1.4.7-beta looks great ...

[babaji]

@ ROB W

Did that test of 1.47 beta do a re-encode?

I had mixed reults, with no rencode it was perfect, chapters and subs. With re-encode it was totally screwy.

See my post at Chat's english section, i will continue to test with 1 more re-encode to see if i can at least get better results than 1858 blank subtitles. Maybe it was just a fluke film. But the chapters are still way off for sure.


http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=eBoard&file=viewthread&tid=2222

[rob w]

yes, I did a re-encode at approximately 4500 kbps by setting the reserve space. I set the pulldown options for force film, progressive, and 2:3 pulldown - I did not set the drop_frame checkbox. To get the chapters correct be sure NOT to check the drop_frame checkbox ... perhaps this is the cause for your subtitle error.

The audio and subtitles came out perfectly synced with the video. Hurray!!

[babaji]

Good going rob!

I am doing a second re-encode of another title to check the subtitle problem. I'ts not finished yet but i took a peek at the sub dir to see how it is going, and unfortunately all the subtitle bitmaps are all blank again!

The chapter problems that DVD2DVD-R has with NTSC re-encodes is not a matter of drop frame i believe. To verify this open the info.txt file and check the chapter times and compare that to what ChapterXtractor shows in Maestro mode. (note ChapterXtractor will aslo be off slightly, but it's only off by a few frames here and there) whereas the info.txt file and the Scenarist Script that DVD2DVD-R produces will be off by as much as 7 seconds in a 2 hour film.

And no i am not using drop fram, just a 2:3 pulldown thats all.

[arcorob]

Using saving private ryan as the sample
From start to finsih using DVD2DVDR and CCE 2.62

6 hours and 2 minutes

Thats on a P4 2.4 Gg 553 mhz and 1 gig DDR memory, fast drives, etc.

I am not amused ...maybe for the afficienado's, it is the ULTIMATE perfect picture, but I would rather have my copy in an hour or so with Menus, chapters, etc.

If this was my buisiness videos, different story. Takes me 6 hours to render 20 minutes as I have me settings set to THE HIGHEST quality possible. Just let it run overnight.

But for DVD movies, I don't want to wait that long......Hmmm

[rdalcanto]

FINALLY, PROBLEM SOLVED! I am one of the folks that could not get any of the newer versions to work. CCE would lock up as soon as DVD2DVDR tried to start it. I had to re-install my Windows XP because I was having boot problems, and all my software. I installed 1.4.6, no patch on CCE (I have Athlon processor), and it worked!! I don't know if it wouldn't work before because there was an old version of something that was getting in the way, but it works now! I have to author my result in Maestro and see if the product is o.k. I checked 2:3 pulldown and both flags. Is that what you guys do with Maestro? I know that when I used 1.3.2 I had to run pulldown twice to set both flags manually.

Thanks,
Rick

[ArrogantBastard]

@rdalcanto...

When I use Maestro I only set 2:3 pulldown and Progressive checkboxes. I never set the drop_frame flag. On reencoded videos this seems to work for me and version 1.4.6.

On videos that are not reencoded... Those seem to have the drop_frame flag set... So I have to import the chapters using the HH:MM:SS;FF method. Occassionally that doesn't fully work in which I have to run a pulldown with drop_frame=false.

Hope that helps.
AB

[ArrogantBastard]

@All

Hi everyone... I tried to pull down 1.4.7 today so I could do a little testing and the system responded that I did not have permssion to do so. It could be a temporary thing, but for now I will have to stay on 1.4.6.

Good luck in testing everyone.
AB

[kitty]

Maybe we should close this long thread & open a new one?

[rdalcanto]

Hi AB!
So with Maestro, you only check 2:3 and progressive.... You still make your chapters with ChapterXtractor and do the subtitles with subrip? Does this mean you don't have to do the double video trick with the subtitles anymore?

Thanks,
Rick

[ArrogantBastard]

@rdcalcanto

Well.. I never do subs unless I really have to. In that case I run a seperate pulldown if the subs don't sync for Maestro.

I author most of the time now with Scenarist and use Subrip seperately. I am hoping 1.4.7 addresses the subs so that I don't have to do that anymore.

AB

[KungFuCow]

Anyone tried the MainConcept encoder that the new beta supports? I might grab the shareware version and give it a go.