Best MPEG cutter?!?!

[Greenie]

Can u post several MPEG cutters...

I use TMPEGEnc but it doesnt cut the files very well...
Sometimes they get invalid stream in Nero...

The same doesnt happen with a crap Mpeg cutter i have..

Thx all..

[REDi]

yeah I get the same using tmpgenc.. however.. have you tried rewriting the headers on the split mpegs (using tmpgenc's simple multiplex feature)? i haven't treid it but it's just a thought

[bugster]

Can u post several MPEG cutters...

I use TMPEGEnc but it doesnt cut the files very well...
Sometimes they get invalid stream in Nero...

The same doesnt happen with a crap Mpeg cutter i have..

It can't be that crap then can it!

[darkangel]

Tmgenc has no problems with cutting etc as long as u select the correct stream type. imho

[Greenie]

The problem Bugster is that it only cuts some mpegs and doesnt recognaize others...

Do u know any Mpeg cutter that really works 100% ?

Thx

[Craig Tucker]

yeah I get the same using tmpgenc.. however.. have you tried rewriting the headers on the split mpegs (using tmpgenc's simple multiplex feature)? i haven't treid it but it's just a thought

Yes this does work.

I have had a couple of occasions where I have definately selected video CD mpeg1 as the stream format, but it has cut it as mpeg1 system(automatic). Multiplexing it sorts the problem. Like I say only happened a couple of times, and I have no idea why.

[2dogs2]

For Mpeg 1 (VCD) you can't beat MpegTool.. It has worked flawlessly for me for over a year.

[Nelson37]

MPEG-1 CBR is easy to cut.

MPEG-2 VBR is a totally different animal. TMPGenc locks up or creates an invalid file, particularly if making multiple cuts. I've tried just about every tool available, including M2-Edit pro. The only one I haven't tried yet is Womble. From checking many posts, there doesn't seem to be ANY cutter that will edit MPEG-2, VBR without trashing the file or de-synching the audio, unless you want to re-encode the whole video, which is why I edit before encoding, anyway.

I have gotten the same results on 3 different machines, 98SE and XP pro, so it's not just a compability or installation issue. And I should mention that TMPGenc has worked a few times, but less than 10%, which is just not useable.

[epo]

Nelson, You haven't tried the only tool, that really works flawlessly with any MPEG file, it can play. And, if it can't play, it can demux (also files, TMPGEnc gives errors with) and remux and voila!

[Nelson37]

I give up, WHAT TOOL ARE YOU REFERRING TO??!!??!!??!!??!!

[OldJoker]

Best MPEG cutter... Hmmm....

Here is my story:

I tried to use TMPGEnc to cut commercials on a MPEG-1 file captured with an ATI TV Wonder card. The result was disappointing: the audio sync was way off.

Using VCD Cutter I obtained better results, but this program doesn't work for MPEG-2 files and I intend to capture something in this format for a better quality.

Finally, I tried Ulead Media Studio 6.5 (its Video Editor). Again I had problems with the audio sync. It looks that it is almost impossible to solve this apparently simple problem: cut some pieces from an MPEG (1/2) file without losing the synchronization between audio and video streams.

I'm not even asking for frame resolution; GOP resolution will be acceptable, but I want to keep audio and video in sync. Any tips?

OldJoker

[epo]

The only one I haven't tried yet is Womble.

[Acceler8n]

If you haven't solved your problem yet. This is the method I use which gives good sync. It required TMPGEnc and PowerVCR trimmer. Here is what I did to edit out commercials and keep the audio sync. First I split the large mpeg1 file into about smaller 200mb or less size files using PowerVCR's trimmer. I then edit out the commercials of those 200mb segment files with TMPGEnc. You have to leave the edited parts seperate...so you will end up having about 5 or 6 commercial free parts for a 1 hour show. After doing this, go back and use PowerVCR's trimmer to append the commercial free parts back together to one file. 3 things to keep in mind:
1)The smaller you cut the original file into, the better your sync will be.
2)The reason I used TMPGEnc to cut out the commercials is only because it gives more accurate cuts with time stamps, and PVCR only has a slider so its takes too long to find the commercial spots.
3)Using TMGGEnc to append the video will give you audio sync problems, everytime for me, so use PVCR's trimmer.

Hope this helps, its kinda tedious, but its the only way that worked for me so far with some advice from a friend, this stuff is annying to work with and stubborn.

[pyed_p1per]

Honestech mpeg editor is the best, and it is so simple to use. I have never had sync problems with it. It also works alot faster then TMGPEnc when cutting.

[jolo]

Mr. pyed_p1per,

Do you know if MPEG editor from Honetech has the ability to handle dissimilar files and make them VCD or SVCD complient ?

If it has that with what yoou describe as its cutting abilitym then the $49 for it is quite a bargin !!

PS. They also have an encoder, do you know if it is any good ?

Jon

[rhuala2]

First I split the large mpeg1 file into about smaller 200mb or less size files using PowerVCR's trimmer

this always gives audio sync problems for me...

[Bodysurf]

MPEG-1 CBR is easy to cut.

MPEG-2 VBR is a totally different animal. TMPGenc locks up or creates an invalid file, particularly if making multiple cuts. I've tried just about every tool available, including M2-Edit pro. The only one I haven't tried yet is Womble. From checking many posts, there doesn't seem to be ANY cutter that will edit MPEG-2, VBR without trashing the file or de-synching the audio, unless you want to re-encode the whole video, which is why I edit before encoding, anyway.

I've cut several VBR MPEG-2 files with Mediaware's M2-Edit Pro v5.0. I've never had sync, or any problems with it; it's always worked perfect for me.

OTOH, TMPGEnc, Womble's MPEG2VCR, etc. sometimes work, sometimes not.

[furball6969]

I've been using M2-Edit for quite a while. Awesome program; wouldn't consider using anything else. Does mpeg1 too.

[jolo]

I'm sure M2-Edit is awsome, but it better be. It cost $1,495 for the pro version and a happy $2,450 for the advanced version. WOW !!

The Honestech MPEG editor is $49.

I have no idea aboout the difference there is in features sets, but the price is WOW !! For M2-edit.

Is there some way to get it for less ?

Jon

[Mirror_Image]

I'm sure M2-Edit is awsome, but it better be. It cost $1,495 for the pro version and a happy $2,450 for the advanced version. WOW !!

The Honestech MPEG editor is $49.

I have no idea aboout the difference there is in features sets, but the price is WOW !! For M2-edit.

Is there some way to get it for less ?

Jon

You're not asking for warez, are you?

[tigerten]

Have you all tried Vegas video before? It worked fine!

[supercrew]

For MPEG1 use iFilmEdit, it is simple and a little crude but it does keep the audio in sync. After Cutting/Joining use TMPGENC to re-multiplex and put standar VCD header on file. It handles file up to about 800mb fine, after that it tends to lockup during the editing.

For MPEG2 use Womble editor, remember to make user the slider showing to point where you are joining to files is all the way to the right. Sometimes when you drop the 2nd thru nth... segment onto another file segment it will chop of a second or two of video. If you want to be sure of SVCD compliant file re-multiplex with bbmpeg.

Hope this helps....
supercrew

[jeffr]

There are a few mpeg2 cutters as have been discussed on this forum:

Tmpgenc Plus 1.59
Tmpgenc Shareware
Mpeg2vcr 3.13 (Womble)
Easympeg
My Flix XE 1.2 (10Mb) http://www.mediawaresolutions.com
M2-Edit Pro http://www.mediawaresolutions.com/
Honestech MPEG Editor 4 (9Mb) http://www.honestech.com/

just to name a few.

It seems that the world of mpeg2 editing is moving quite quickly. We can see that most products "kind of work sometimes". Even technical support people at Mediaware Solutions advise that their product doesnt always work with mpeg2 files - what hope is there?

Even Tmpgenc used to work with mpeg2 - now with 2.59 release it doesnt. They changed their engine in 2.57 release and are now working towards the development of their mpeg2 encoder.

Keep testing and playing - eventually one will do the job.

[jolo]

jeffr,

What you say is really true about SVCD editing. There doesn't seem to be anything that is a "perfect" tried and true solution. This whole field is relatively immature as far as software and standardization goes. It does appear that SVCD must be more challenging than other formats.

And supercrew, I have it TMPG lock up on me like that as well. Since I bought TMPG Plus, I have it locking up way, way more than before.

I would like something that would be quicker and simpler than TMPG, I always compensate by doubling up on a few frames because of some of the stuff that sometimes happens at the end. After a while, it goes from fun to a hassle with TMPG as far as its slowness.

I'm somewhat frustrated that most of the vendors give such limited demos that I not going to spend time trying their product with a 1-5 minute limitation on their demos.

I spoke to the people at Honestech about their editor with seems not to do anymore more than cut and join about the demo limitations. They seemed very sincere about the fact that if I purchase something from them, that I have 30 days to get my money back, so I might go for it. But I'd really like an editor that could change disimilar frame rates of I'm merging videos on a CD, but I think we get into some serious money with that.

Thanks for the great input !!

Jon

[jeffr]

Hi Jon

Thanks for the reply. I just bought Honestech Mpeg V4 today. I think that if they offered your money back then thats what I will do. It is exploding the size of the output mpeg 2 file. In pieces I cut out of a svcd file (orig file cut pieces of around 900Mb) resulted in Honestech Mpeg creating a 2300Mb file. I am still doing testings - so thanks for the tip.

I am capturing SVCD using a capture card that creates a mpg file on the fly in real time. It creates a PAL 480 x 576 SVCD file. Tmpgenc does not cut/join mpeg1 or mpeg 2 PAL files so you need to convert to NTSC using Tmpgenc.

We all know Tmpgenc does not reliably cut/join svcd at the moment.

In my tests I found that Honestech does not create a SVCD compliant file that is accepted by Nero v5.5.2.3 (I know there are later releases). The work around I used is to use Honestech to cut and join the bits, then run it through Tmpgenc Plus to crop and convert to a good SVCD file ready for burning. I use the SVCD NTSC template in Tmpgenc.

Jeff

[jolo]

jeffr,

Thanks so much for sharing your experience with the Honestech product !!

I have not purchased it yet, nor will I after reading your experiences. I need to have an editor that will create complient SVCD files so I can burn them in Nero.

It sounds like it does not do that.

If you would please keep in touch and let me know what happens with Honestech and if they really get you your money back or maybe they will help you work out your problem.

Thanks for your contribution.

Jon

[metoo2]

Windows refused to play a mpeg2 video that was created using Tmpg's MPEG Tools to cut a larger-sized video in two. Part one played ok, but Windows hacked a lung up every time I asked it to play part two.

Solution? Re-encoded the mpeg2 video from source avi so that Tmpg created two mpeg2 files.

Never had any trouble with mpeg1 tho'.

[jolo]

What the frame rate of the video you encoded with TMPG ?

Also, I'm with you, from now on I am going to use the feature to encode pieces of the SVCD, then save them as seperate jobs. Then run a batch job that will run all of them one right after each other.
I do need to warn anyone who will try this is to make sure that you change the output file before saving each of the jobs. If not, all you get is the last part.

Thanks,

Jon

[Cornucopia]

I've had much success and no failures with...Maestro. 8)

It allows you to (in their words) "trim & concatenate", and (IIRC-been awhile for this, and I'm at home right now & can't check the manual) saves the synced audio track (WAV or MP2-can't do AC3 w/o hardware encoder ). Works w/ MPEG1 and MPEG2 (CBR and VBR), including segments of diff. rates. However, it can't mix types and it requires that GOPs be closed. If you expected to do much editing of the file anyway, they SHOULD already be closed GOPs.

[jolo]

I definately am searching for a fast and solid editor. Cutting is one thing, the other is making complient videos from captured videos.

What is maestro, who makes it and where can i get it ?

Jon