DVD Player keeps telling me "No Disc"

[bampf]

I have been trying to make some VCDs, and nothing seems to work the way I'm doing it, so I think I'm messing up a step or something. I checked the DVD Player compatibility and my DVD player (JVC model XV-S65GD) is listed as VCD+SVCD compatible, and according to the reports that people have posted, lots of people are able to view VCDs on theirs.

I am using TMPGEnc to convert an .avi file to an MPEG1 file (not bothering with SVCD yet). The bit rate is set to 1150 and constant bit rate. I am using VCDEasy to burn, using the BIN/CUE instead of a detailed CUE file. I am not using PBC. I'm using VCD 2.0 instead of VCD 1.1 and I've tried writing at 4X and 2X (I'm trying 1X now).

Once it worked for about 30 seconds and then everything froze. Then when I tried that VCD again, it kept saying "No Disc".

Does it sound like I'm doing something wrong? Any help would be great.

[ian follow]

Check the GOP structure in TMPGenc. It should be 1, 4, 2,1 and "Detect scene changes" must be not checked. Try that.

[vitualis]

Actually, the most likely problem is that your player simply isn't designed to read CD-R/W media and isn't reading YOUR media very well at all.

VCD or SVCD compatibility is SEPARATE from CD-R/W compatibility. Burn an audio CD on the same media. Does that play properly?

Your best bet is to:
(1) experiment with different brands of media (CD-RW often works better in these cases
(2) if homemade VCD or SVCD compatibility is important to you, get a new player that is rated to read CD-R/W media

Regards.

[Jan65uk]

i agree try different disks first though i find some refuse to play on my player tdk are the worst

[ian follow]

I'd like to add something to this. There are many questions like: "Why my VCD doesn't play ons MY DVD?", and in 99& the answer is: "Try another media."
So, althoug relativley new in video, I did some research and I conclude it is not true. It is true that maybe 50% of problems lies in CD media, but another 50% lies in (not sticking to) standard. I had same problem and I did some seraching on the Net (two days) and after I read EVERY guide here on vcdhelp and on the WWW, I managed to make an VCD that works.

And I'm using the (probably) cheapest media in my part of the world (Primco and Arita).

[bampf]

According to the DVD Compatibility guide on this website, my DVD player does read both CD-R and -RW media. I am currently using CD-Rs. I went and got a different brand of CD-R, so I'll try that...otherwise I guess I'll try a CD-RW.

I'll also check the GOP Structure

thanks...

[musher70]

Most mainstream dvd players dont play burned vcd's...
go to walmart get the cheap apex or daewood,look
for sampo's but theyre harder to get...

[thxkid]

Don't get APEX, all new Apex's the VCD play has been removed from them, Daewoo 5800 for $79 at sams does a nice job, and it will play any VCD, SVCD, XVCD or XSVCD you can think to make, Sampo's are better but more exspensive also.

[vitualis]

@ ian follow: For all due respect, I've been around here for quite a while now. Although you are right to say that off standard discs may not play on any particular player, but the original poster wrote:

Once it worked for about 30 seconds and then everything froze. Then when I tried that VCD again, it kept saying "No Disc".

This is absolutely classical of a media compatibility issue. An off spec disc will almost never cause a "No Disc" message (unless it is WAAAYYY off spec). The "No Disc" message means that the player can't find anything it recognises in the drive -- i.e., you may have well put the disc in upside down. This is almost always due to a media compatibility issue (or if you burnt your disc as a CD-ROM).

As I've stated, you can test your media by burning an audio CD on the same batch of discs and see if that plays.

BTW, I wouldn't necessarily trust the DVD compatibility list here. The person who put in the last post may have been using different discs to you. Have a look in your owner's manual. Does it say that your player was designed to read CD-R/W? If it doesn't say so explicitly, it means that it wasn't.

In such a case, you will have to experiment with different brands of media and as I stated before, CD-RW often works better in this situation.

Regards.

[ian follow]

vitualis,

I do respect your experience and although I managed to make some good VCD (which means they can be played on PC and standalone DVD), I don't call myself an expert. I'm for 15 years in DTP so I know how much learning and work is required to be an expert.

I just feel that everyone want to make a VCD as fast as possible. An example: when I burned my first CD i got "no disc" message. After I did some searching I discovered that my burning application (WinOnCD) does something wrong. The first 4 bytes on multiplexed mpeg file must be "00 00 01 ba" (in hex), and ig you have audio and video there are two headers, 2300 bytes apart. I opened mpeg file in hex editor and I saw that burning app does something wrong. Thus, I was able do some analizing and to conclude what I as doing wrong. Now I use same CD media and I get OK results.

So, I feel that true understanding of standard and apps in use is essential and I think that VCD can't be made by simple "click here, here and there" method.

And I surely doesn't question your experience (I and think that your posts are among the most valuable on vcdhelp.com). I'm sorry if I insult you, it was not my intention.

Ian

[macca2003]

we have created an MPEG file using TMPGEnc from an avi file using the VCD option, i have burnt it to CD using easy CD creator 5 (limited edition) using the make data cd option (since the make a photo or video cd option is not available on the limited version). I have tried playing the disc on computer and it works fine, i have tried to play it on a Toshiba SD-22VB DVD/VCR and CD/CD-R/MP3 player and am getting the error message "no disc". Is this due to burning the disc as a data CD if so will real player 1 do any better or can u suggest any freeware that will do the job, if not what do u think may be the cause.

Thanks in advance for any help u can offer

macca2003

[jg5894]

MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROBLEM HAS TURNED OUT TO BE THE DISC...I HAVE USED MEMOREX CDRW'S SINCE I STARTED AND HAD NO PROBLEM....I DECIDED TO TRY THE TDK BRAND AND I GOT A NO DISC ON MY DISPLAY...WENT BACK TO THE MEMOREX AND IT WORKS...SO AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED IT IS THE DISK....JG

[Linelle]

...Does it say that your player was designed to read CD-R/W? If it doesn't say so explicitly, it means that it wasn't.

In such a case, you will have to experiment with different brands of media and as I stated before, CD-RW often works better in this situation...

Newbie here: Is CD-R/W the same as write once?

[Tbear]

CD-R/W is just a short cut way to write CD-R and/ or CD-RW

[vitualis]

I just feel that everyone want to make a VCD as fast as possible. An example: when I burned my first CD i got "no disc" message. After I did some searching I discovered that my burning application (WinOnCD) does something wrong. The first 4 bytes on multiplexed mpeg file must be "00 00 01 ba" (in hex), and ig you have audio and video there are two headers, 2300 bytes apart. I opened mpeg file in hex editor and I saw that burning app does something wrong. Thus, I was able do some analizing and to conclude what I as doing wrong. Now I use same CD media and I get OK results.

So, I feel that true understanding of standard and apps in use is essential and I think that VCD can't be made by simple "click here, here and there" method.

And I surely doesn't question your experience (I and think that your posts are among the most valuable on vcdhelp.com). I'm sorry if I insult you, it was not my intention.

Not at all.

I understand your position and you are right, there are other causes to the "No Disc" problem.

It is just that in this particular scenario, I am over 95% sure that it is a media compatibility issue.

No offense intended or taken! 8)

Regards.

[ian follow]

I'm glad

Be well.

[bampf]

I have been trying with TDK discs, so maybe that's the problem...

The owners manual does say that it plays CD-R/W discs, so I don't think that's a problem...but TDK uses a blue reflective surface, which may be bad for a DVD player (I don't know...do they use a red laser like CDs or a blue laser like mini-discs?). I'll try some memorex discs or something else.

For the guy who asked...CD-R/W means write and rewrite.