AARG! SVCDs and my dvd player...

[Kingnog]

Well...I create an svcd. I play it with my computer, its fine. I play it with my DVD player, and it is extremely choppy. My dvd player supports svcd, and I've tried so many different settings. Anybody know what some settings in tmpgENC i can use to make the video play back smoothly? The original DVD is a non-interlaced 29fps non-film movie. Ive even tried different bitrates for the svcd.

[poopyhead]

1) check the dvd player compatibility section to see what bitrates for SVCD your dvd player supports

2) the more likely problem is field order...try switching the field order in tmpgenc's advanced menu

[Kingnog]

2 problems: #1, the original DVD is non-interlaced, so it wouldnt have a field order, and #2 my DVD is made by some cheap brand that isnt on the compatibility section, hehe

[crusian]

you burner might be starting to go. Standalone players are a LOT more picky when playing than computers. Try burning at a slower speed or try a different burner.

[poopyhead]

2 problems: #1, the original DVD is non-interlaced, so it wouldnt have a field order

in your original post you said

The original DVD is a non-interlaced 29fps non-film movie. Ive even tried different bitrates for the svcd.

if it is a non-interlaced (i'm assuming it has to be progressive since it's either interlaced or progressive), then the video type has to be FILM. otherwise, if it was NTSC, it would be interalced.

but the source DVD doesn't really matter.....wut matters is how you encoded the movie...

if you turned on forced film in dvd2avi and encoded in tmpgenc as 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown, then you're right....field order would not matter

however, if you turned off forced film in dvd2avi and encoded in tmpgenc as 29.97 fps + interlaced, then field order would matter...

[Kingnog]

I see. So if i force film in dvd2avi and then do the 23fps AND the 3:2 pulldown it will work?

you burner might be starting to go. Standalone players are a LOT more picky when playing than computers. Try burning at a slower speed or try a different burner.

My burner is NOT going to go, its brand new

[poopyhead]

I see. So if i force film in dvd2avi and then do the 23fps AND the 3:2 pulldown it will work?

i said "if"..... if you did NOT turn on force film, then most likely the problem is the field order. so, just try switching the field order and encoding a small portion of the movie and check it out and c if it's better

[hwoodwar]

I've read that some DVD players have problems with CDR's or sometimes specific brands of CDR's (usually the cheaper brands.) You may want to try a test with a CDRW disk and/or a name-brand CDR.

[Kingnog]

The dvd2avi thing worked, i forced it as a film movie and it fixed itself. BUT! yes, always an annoying but....now every few seconds the video "jumps" a bit! Now can THIS be fixed? Ive heard people talk about it but I dont remember their responses

[poopyhead]

Kingnog, you're still not listening...the choppiness on the TV, but NOT on the computer is usually a sign of field order reversal. computer monitors display both fields simultaneously, so field order wouldn't matter. however, TVs display fields one after another. so, if it displays the field in the wrong order, it will look choppy.

but anywayz, there may seem to be another issue here.

when you're making the .d2v project file in dvd2avi, an info box should appear. it in, it should tell you the video type (i.e. FILM or NTSC or some percentage of each)

if the video type is 90% FILM or greater, try turning on force film in dvd2avi and encoding in tmpgenc as 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown

otherwise, turn off force film in dvd2avi and either in tmpgenc I) IVTC 2) encode as 29.97 fps + interlaced (not 3:2 pulldown)

in the latter case where your output would be interlaced, field order is a big issue and u need to test to see which one works on the TV.

so, regarding your last post....you need to determine if the video type of the DVD is NTSC or FILM...you may have forced film when you shouldn't have (i.e. if the source video was NTSC)

[Kingnog]

Lol sorry, i havent been very clear. This last thing I posted about is on my computer AND the tv, so i dont think its a field order issue. Also, i tried both field orders and nothing changed at all (it didnt get better OR worse). This does not have anything to do with field orders. It IS a film movie, and i already said that I forced film in dvd2avi. So the framerate is now 23 and it is a film movie, and i have the correct field order. I tried both WITH and WITHOUT the 3:2 pulldown, and with it was choppier than without it (all these are tested both on the computer and on the tv). So now, after ive gone through this much stuff changing the settings in every possible way, im completely lost (sorry if i wasnt clear, i have 2 posts going in 2 different categories so i get confused when i said what). Wow...if you can fix this you're a genius.

[poopyhead]

ok.....well..assuming u did encode at 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown, i can only think of 1 thing..maybe others might be able to help u

how fast did you burn your movie? try not to go above 4x and make sure the buffer is high.

that's all i can think of for now

[Plant_Guy]

I would like to comment on your current problem which is the video jumping every few seconds. I had this problem appear for two reasons. First, my DVD player needed a minimum bit rate of 600. Second, if the bit rate was sustained at more than 2100, the video would jump every so often. Fix these and see what happens. Last but not least, my DVD player seems to like the audio at 48khz. Check this setting also. Well, hope this helps.

TomG. - aka Plant_Guy

[Kingnog]

Thanks, all you guys....I learned a bunch of new things from all your comments! But, i fixed it myself (lol). I guess DVD2AVI messed up or something with the video file, i ran it through DVD2AVI again and the video worked. So it was the source video in tmpeg all along that was messed up....hehe. I guess i wasted your time