Linux: off topic ;)

[ember]

I am struggling to find an IRC client that matches MIRC's dcc capabilities. I have struggled with Ksirc, BitchX and XChat (the last never connects) to no avail. My problem? When I initiate "triggers" in channels (/ctcp etc) I don't seem to have the power to use:
dir, sends, queues, get
etc. For some reason I have a very basic set of commands to GET, SEND but no directory browsing.
I never had this problem with MIRC

Any help would be appreciated.

[snowmoon]

why not then rin mirc through wine untill something better comes along?

[ember]

I tried that - it did work - it works fine. The fonts are screwy, but I suppose that'll do for now. Thanks for the help.

[spathi]

if you go here and install microsoft core fonts it'll fix up all your fnt troubles (also works for mozilla) http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/

Xchat works fine with the commands youve stated.. have you tried it recently? perhaps itll work with a new version?

[ching0]

why not then rin mirc through wine untill something better comes along?

you know i see these posts all the time and i just laugh.

someone is asking for an answer to a linux problem, and the only solution a "computer addict" could come up with is "run a windows program through a windows emulator!" why not suggest just installing windows and solving all the problems at once? its funny, i never see anyone say "install ardi executor and run mac software! that'll solve your LINUX problem!"

then, to solve the problem of wine (emulating windows) not displaying fonts properly, "go get the microsoft fonts!"

people, you're not solving problems, you're hiding them with the fact that you've been spoonfed microsoft's answers for as long as you can remember. i bet all of you couldnt live with a linux box that didnt run wine! i do, linux can do everything windows can without wine... except play games, and i dont care because games are a waste of time anyway.

[vitualis]

i do, linux can do everything windows can without wine... except play games, and i dont care because games are a waste of time anyway.

That's kind of an ironic statement isn't it? "Linux can do everything Windows can without Wine... except play games"

I can think of a whole lot of other exceptions as well...

Regards.

[spathi]

why not then rin mirc through wine untill something better comes along?

then, to solve the problem of wine (emulating windows) not displaying fonts properly, "go get the microsoft fonts!"

people, you're not solving problems, you're hiding them with the fact that you've been spoonfed microsoft's answers for as long as you can remember. i bet all of you couldnt live with a linux box that didnt run wine! i do, linux can do everything windows can without wine... except play games, and i dont care because games are a waste of time anyway.

why install microsoft fonts? it eases compatibilities in webpages thats for sure, it makes them look a lot nicer. They might not be necessary, but i think it helps.

I told him to install fonts to fix the problem with wine. I myself don't use wine. i've been using linux for a long time, and haven't used wine. if your so elite why don't you HELP people, by offering them a useful suggestion, instead of putting people down?

i actually agree with your disposition in regaurds to wine. i dont like it either, but insulting people isnt helping.. your being nothing but a linux zealot, and a hypocryte. where did you "solve his problem".

instead of laughing why not recommend a piece of software that can help him?

[sterno]

I see people talk like that about always using Linux pretty often these days, they usually don't take that long to get over it. I worry more about practical issues and less about ideology. I tell people to install the MS TrueType fonts because they make life easier. Sure, the main reason is that there are so many "web designers" who use Frontpage and Word, but they make life easier. Why do I run Linux at all? Because it's easier to use than Windows (that's also why I dislike all these newer X11 window managers that look like win95, I say "aim higher"). A lot of people want to use mIRC because they're already familiar with it and like it. wine allows them to use the software they already know and like, and makes life easier. It's the same reason that I use lots of ported UNIX programs on Windows and Mac OS, just going the other direction.

People don't suggest running executor because executor isn't free and doesn't work that well (in other words, it doesn't make life easier). People do, however, suggest that Linux-pmac users use Mac-on-Linux (similar to wine or dosemu, but fewer problems than wine) to solve their need/desire for running a particular piece of software. If you look beyond the Linux-x86 world you will find that this is hardly an isolated example. Linux people are big on choices, in case you hadn't noticed, and packages like wine give them more.

[ching0]

spathi, if you got offended i apologize, but if you have a full install of linux, you should have every font family installed. which would mean if anything asks for some exotic form of Courier, you're still gonna have it.
but, i dont see how i was being a "hypocryte". i didnt say "hey, you're not solving his problem, now back to me using wine!" what i said is that if he's trying to find a program for linux that does the same things as a windows program, you're not solving his problem by telling him to run a windows emulator, which only adds more problems if you ask me.

to solve the problem for myself, i use ksirc. it does everything mirc can do.

so if you're having troubles connecting to anyone or anything through the linux program here are some suggestions:
try to configure the program so it will work.
cat /etc/services and make sure you have the right accesses open
make sure you're not behind a router trying to connect to someone else behind a router.

i, personally, have never had a problem with irc in linux. hell, you can dcc through BitchX.

now all i meant to say is that you dont solve a problem by falling back on a cushion like "use wine, because you know windows works" you'll never learn that way.

[ember]

Blimmin Nora! That post was yonks ago chaps!

Thanks for all your help: I ended up using winex- fonts improved - but then - another problem arose:

messaging and being sent messages (like using @find) crashed MIRC

Solution? BitchX - it's fast and seems to find a suitable server QUICK (I prefer linux for browsing compared to WinXP - Konqueror is fast)

i, personally, have never had a problem with irc in linux. hell, you can dcc through BitchX

When it comes to "triggers" and the usual dir, cd, get (that's so easy to do with MIRC) I struggle on BitchX

If you could kindly give me the simple commands for browsing someone's ftp server (once the trigger is entered) changing directory and getting files - I would be very grateful.

Ta muchly

[ching0]

most of the servers i've seen use linux and windows commands.

you may have to allow the connections from the person's IP though. dcc will accept but then the server is firewalled, so you timeout and get kicked.

[magomago]

What about Win4Lin? I'm eager to try that because its like Microsoft windows within a window...

That would be REALLY nice when I need to use some Windows only program


But I don't have linux intsalled on my rig b/c there are no Linux drivers for my Mobo so I can get sound and get my onboard Nics working

[spiderman2k1]

there is a program called "gaim" you might want to try

[txpharoah]

How about just removing Linux and conceding to the fact that Microsoft rules the world, with Apple in close second?

:P

No flames. I'm just being a smart-aleck!

Linux is not my thing. I can admire you guys that use it.

[techniq]

I use konversation for IRC. Its still in early beta, but in my use has been extremely stable (only crashed it once) and feature full. Its laid out much like Mirc/Xchat.

Also, you could try the newest kopete version once they release it, or try out the CVS version now. They have vastly improved the IRC support in it (if only ICQ/AIM wasn't broken in the lastest CVS I would be using it. They are in the process of allowing multiple account logins for each protocol.