Yet another sub question

[boeniz]

I have finally figured out how to add permanent subs into my svcds frameserving with Vdub etc. Yet, of course I stand before another problem.

Is it possible to move the subs under the picture into the black bar that I have on my 4:3 television? Any help will be appriciated.

[tonyp12]

Normally the black bars are added during the mpeg encoding

So you would need to add these black bars before you
hardcode the subtitles to the video.

So the first filter in vdub needs to do some resizing tricks.

And do not use the same old settings in tmpgenc as you will
add black bars on top of backbars.

[boeniz]

Woh, man. That sure sounds tricky to a newbie like me. I think I understand what you mean, so I will try it out. Thanks...

[Man7]

tonyp12 can u say how do i do that or give me a link whith a guide to do that.

[sterno]

If you're making an SVCD from a 16x9 source you'd resize it 480x360 (for NTSC) and add a 60-pixel border at the top and bottom before adding subtitles. If you're making a VCD it would be 352x180 (NTSC) with 30 pixels at the top and bottom. I don't remember the exact sizes for PAL, though.

[end80]

Tony...
That image of yours is very distracting to my learning experience..

[boeniz]

Thanks sterno for the great answer. However, one answer feeds another question. My sourse is a .avi-file and Vdub's File Information tells me as follows: 640x272, 23,976 fps. I know that this mean a ntsc film, but is it 16:9?

I have finally figured out how to resize the damn thing via Vdub's resize filter, but how do I add the 60 pixel border at the top and bottom?

When I finally (hopefully) work this out as well, which settings will I have to choose in TMPGenc? I mean, as "source aspect ratio"? And later as "Video arrange method" to prevent me from overwriting the bars I've allready made with the ones TMPGenc makes?

[sterno]

My sourse is a .avi-file and Vdub's File Information tells me as follows: 640x272, 23,976 fps. I know that this mean a ntsc film, but is it 16:9?

Well, this is kind of apples and oranges to what I was talking about. I was looking at it from the DVD conversion standpoint, where you're dealing with rectangular pixels and a 16:9 to 4:3 aspect ratio conversion. For a format that's meant to display on a computer monitor the pixels are square, so you have to do a different conversion and 60 pixels won't be the right value.

640x272 is probably a 2.35:1 movie with all letterboxing cropped out. Use something like FitCD to calculate the right resizing (remember to set the source type to a 1:1 monitor), and then add the right letterboxing to make it SVCD resolution. I also recommend encoding and burning a short clip to make sure it looks right before you actually take the time to encode the whole movie.

When I finally (hopefully) work this out as well, which settings will I have to choose in TMPGenc? I mean, as "source aspect ratio"?

Since you already did the necessary resizing and letterboxing to make a 4:3 SVCD, you just set it to 4:3 display and tmpgenc won't change anything.