Canopus card VS TBC (timebase corrector)

[v1p0n3]

hi
i have one Pinnacle card (pctv) and as most of the ppl can't capture very old tapes cause i lost like 70% of the frames. i read here that i can probably fix that problem with old tapes with a timebase corrector, but i also read on canopus site that canopus dvc-100 dvc-50 and 1934 have one feature called Locked audio.
now my question is. To rip my old tapes what should i buy to have sucess? the Canopus card with locked audio or the timebase corrector?

if anyone think that can help me please reply to this post.

thanks

[Anonymous65]

The locked audio of the Canopus does not help much when capturing bad video. What will happen is that the audio will skip to keep up with the bad video. A TBC will correct the video, and you can capture audio without any sync and skipping issues. So, see if you can find a TBC.

[vhelp]

v1p0n3,
morning... IMO, whatever you do, don't get sucked an TBC
so deep. I've had the opportunity to try TWO, one real cheap
in price (and still have, for obvious reasons) and an REALLY
expansive one for $1,500 (cause I wanted to rule out that if the
cheaper priced one would provide louzy quality, that would be
the blame) Anyways, and I did undreds of test captures of various
tapes ranging from:
* Store bought movies (does almost nothing for, by the way)
* to, old tapes I had sitting around between ages 5 throu 14 years or more.

Both units (can't remember the model/brand of $1500) provided
the SAME results.
In short, the video DID drop frames anywas, he, he... but not
as much, ie for w/ my old capture card setup, I'd get about
100 or so or less (depends) and w/ this test setup w/ these
two TBC's, I drop maybe 50 frames! So, in spite of what the
excitement for the TBC idea/route, don't let it go to far to
your head. Take it from someone who used one (two that is)

Well, for obvious reasons, I returnd the $1500 unit, and kept
the cheapier one, $200 I think. Anyways, its not that bad, and
I DO use it NOW. Unfortunately, even though I use to get ZERO
frame drops w/out a TBC, whenever I DO connect it, I get frame
drops! Maybe around 15 or so an hour, depending on the source
ie Satalite, the content of the source that is.
Their is a benefit, at least from what I can tell, IMO.
And, that is that the video capture I've ben doing are a little
bit more (I said little bit) cleaner and less noisier than my
regular capture route. That's why I use the TBC.
But, for VHS capture projects, I do better if I use my DC10+
card, as I theorize that it has a built-in TBC (though not
publisized) cause of the way it acts during capture and final
captured AVI. I see same symtoms as a TBC!!
IMO, the DC10+ card locks the Video and Audio together.
However, I'm still testing all this out.

So, if you really want to go the TBC route, get the cheaper one
cause you'll not go wrong if you do. I just ignore those that
claim a TBC or hype a TBC to be the answer, cause it's so not
THAT true. It helps in other areas, but that's about it, IMO.
I truely think that you'll still have video issues, but YOU be
the judge (when you test and try it out for yourself)
I'm just giving you the plain simple trueth, based on my experience

Good luck in your decision.
-vhelp

[kitty]

vhelp - what is the make & model of the unit you kept?

[vhelp]

Afternoon.

kitty,
oh, glad you asked. I was wondering how I would add it to my "computer
details" but I'm sort of out of space on it, but I'll try and squeeze it in somewheres, he, he... Oh, right, ... it's the. . .


... ... ... ... DataVideo TBC-100 ... ... ... ...
. . . Single Channel Full Frame 4:2:2 Time Base Corrector . . .

Features:
----------------
* Frame synchronization w/ full frame memory
* re-generate all synch singnals to stablize the video
* Compatible w/ all video forms (vhs, s-vhs, vhs-c, s-vhs-c, video 8 and hi 8 )
* Auto-detect NTSC or PAL formats
* Wide bandwidth - 4.5MHz in Y/C and 3.5MHz in composite
* 8-bit video resolution - 4:2:2: samppling rate
* DP less than 1 degree - DG less than 2%
* Low noise - S/N ratoin >50dB

One other thing that helps my captures a lot (quality wise, not frame drops)
is the connetions of the SIMA SED-CM device ...another $49. I do have the
SIMA SCC Pro too, but it's basically a piece of junk at the moment. sometimses
it can serve usefull, and other times, not! It depends on what I'm doing
and how, and other tid-bits.
These devices/gragits/gizmos were for my VHS captures, but I'm trying to
see how I can apply them to my Satalite captures as well. View a sample I
made w/ this setup w/ link below. I've ben using this setup for a while now
and believe that I am getting better at it.

Just to note, that it doesn't work for Store Bought movies, at least some
of the ones I've tried. I think there is something else going on w/ those
store bought movies than whta people here actually believe. And that is
w/ the MV and other trinkets that utilize in producing these tapes.
However, I've test a few MV tapes and passed it through my Canon ZR-10 DV cam
and it DID NOT activate my Canon's MV. You know... the where it beeps and
diplays in read that Copy Protection warning and shuts off your DV cam.
Yes, that one. I took those tapes that I remember it doing it on, and played
them through my: --> VCR -> TBC -> DV cam w/ no problems!!
As you can see, I have much to experiment on and play around w/ adventure
wise, as this iliminate ALL MV singnaling I have fed into it!
VHS, DVD, etc. Remember, my VHS arcival endeavors are for PERSONAL USE,
and NOT Illegal use. They're just for my VHS collection. Anyways. . .
However, I came accros an idea (and it worked) to capture VHS source w/out
the noise, but I can't remember the exact steps I took, and am still trying
to remember The singal I got was the same like it was being shown on
TV.

My basic capture process at the moment is:
------------------------------------------
--> Sat -> TBC -> SIMA -> WTVGO <-> AVI -> AVS -> vdub v1.49 -> CCE v2.50
or,
--> Sat -> TBC -> SIMA -> WTVGO <-> AVI -> AVS -> vdub v1.49 -> TMPG

I'm currently working on the frame drops issue today. I believe I may have
to do my usuall un-install of graphics driver and capture driver, and
this usually cures my frame drops issues. But, because of my TBC route,
this may or may not help. It's something I have to look into, soos as I
can. If it does work, that is, if I get back my ZERO frame drops w/ the
TBC connected, I'll have the ultimate capture/encode solution out their
for the minimum $$$. That's not including my VHS projects. This is STILL
another issue to deal with. Biggest being the frame drops and to a now
lesser degree, noies, thanks in part to the TBC and SIMA working together.
This setup works for me, but MAY NOT work for you or everyone else. I didn't
just waike up and started conencting the device in one shot, and everything
work. I had to do a WHOLE LOT of TRIAL and ERRO before i got to where I
am now, he he...

Anyways. . . I'm off to my adventure.

-vhelp
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