Jitter Problem

[The Tool]

Was wondering if anyone had a similar problem:

Here is what I have:
PVR250
CVD - 352x480 2520 CBR Mpeg2
P4 1.7 512mb 100GB Ultra ATA 100 7200 RPM
GeForce 3 Video card
Movie Factory SE (Came with the PVR250)
DVD Player - Pioneer DV-353

Heres whats going on:
After about 10 to 15 minutes the AWSOME looking video it starts to I wanna say Jitter, kind of like choppy, the video starts to skip a bit. I have tried Same settings with 2300 CBR and get the same results.

I have also tried to burn a Standard SVCD and get the same problem though a lot quicker then 10 or 15 minutes. Im going nuts and have burned like 20+ cd's already and was wondering if someone with more experience could help point me in a better direction?

I also have tried a standard VCD and dont seem to get any problems but cant live with the quality... Actually the CVD is the best for me... if only it would stay constant and not screw up

Any help will do. Thanks a bunch.

Oh and let me know if you need any other info... I will try as best as I can to provide it.

[The Tool]

Well this is suckin... So far I also have tried:

With my Lite-on 40x12x48x drive:
16x Burn - Same Results
4x Burn - Same Results

I lowered the bitrate to 2300 and same results. Im off to try a 2000 sample but really dont want to have to do that... I would like to keep the higher bitrate.

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Thanks

[The Tool]

Update on my fruitless efforts:

2000 cbr was even worse... and I also tried it on a Lite-on Cdrw with no luck.

[The Tool]

Anyone have any ideas?

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[Mavrick]

You could take your CD to an electronics store and try it on another player. I would look for the RCA 5240P, I have tested up to a VBR4500 and it playse great...

OR

I’m converting home videos to CD. I have managed over time to get it down to 4 easy steps.
I didn't want to buy more software, well at first anyway...

I just thought; “There HAS to be an EASY way to convert my VHS/Hi8 videos to CD, without using ump-teen programs and 1000 steps...”

So I made it a mission to capture, edit, and render all in one program with quality results; and without worrying about 1000 settings and filters.

After 3 Months of downloading and trying allot of programs I found the EASY way with Ulead’s Media Studio 6.5 DC! And to me it was worth every penny. After all I done dropped a few bucks for all the hardware to make it work.



Step 1: Capture the video as uncompressed AVI (this gives you the best quality to work with) as close to the final output resolution as you can. This will save encoding time if it does not have to resize it. In my case 480x480 or 640x480

Step 2: Edit the captured video. I use Media Studio Pro 6.5DC for this.

Step 3: Save the edited video in Media Studio as an MPEG2 480x480 with a VBR of 4000. Field order B first. (Make sure your player can play this).

Step 4: Burn the MPEG file(s) to CD with DVD Movie Factory. Make your menus etc…

That’s it!!



Works every time and I get video as good as the original… I would say its DVD quality. The Sound is ALWAYS in sync, and I never get micro-blocks, etc.

The down side is I can only get 20-30min per CD with a bit rate that high… but with this quality, I’ll take it! And for most home videos 20-30min is enough time for one "Theme".



Software Used:

You can download a trial copy of Media Studio Pro from
http://www.ulead.com/msp/runme.htm
They also offer upgrade offers from other editing software – so you can get it as cheep as $129.00 for the DC version.

You can download a trial copy of DVD Movie Factory from
http://www.ulead.com/dmf/runme.htm
It’s about $45.00

[marscable]

im not sure if u did actually solved the problem here..


:^)

[The Tool]

Hey Maverick, Thanks for the great suggestions... sounds like you got yourself a great system there. I will try a few of the things you do but unfortunately I can not do them all. Like change my DVD player and my capture card so it can capture raw avi.

I do plan on doing some home videos in the near future but as of right now all im doing is recording TV shows that I would like to play on CVD or SVCD, But this blasted jitter I get about 10-15 minutes into the video is gonna drive me to drink.

I am going to hit the stores today and get a few small packs of different media and see if perhaps its a brand of CD problem though I doubt it.

So far I have tried Phillips CD-R80's
Lite-ON Cdr-W that came with the burner

THanks again and Im still open for any new suggestions.

[The Tool]

Just for $hits an giggles I tried 3000 CVD and got better results but still unacceptable. Im still gonna try new media sometime today. I also tried a new video to see if perhaps the one I was useing was no good.



I'll keep the updates coming...

Also just a thought... if it were the player would it not happen from the start of the video and not 10-15 minutes into it?

[Mavrick]

Also just a thought... if it were the player would it not happen from the start of the video and not 10-15 minutes into it?

The player could do that.. it depends on the amount of the buffer memory it has and the speed at which the cd can spin.

[SatStorm]

Pioneer DV-353....

Try encode @ 2480kb/s with 224kb/s audio and multiplexx your file with bbmpeg. I Believe it helps with probs you mention...

[The Tool]

Thanks maverick

Pioneer DV-353....

Try encode @ 2480kb/s with 224kb/s audio and multiplexx your file with bbmpeg. I Believe it helps with probs you mention...

Im on it SatStorm. I'll try just about anything to get this going.

When you say multiplex.... IM confused. Im not Multiplexing now.. at least that I can figure out. I record... Dump into movie maker and burn? Is this perhaps the step im missing?

Thanks again.

[The Tool]

Well I tried Maxell CDR's with no luck.
I also tried to burn at 2x just in case that was the problem.

As for the multiplexing thing.. still trying to figure it out.


Thanks

[The Tool]

Finally!!!! Some Progress!

I took the native file from my PVR250 recorded at:
352x480
2520 CBR
29.7 fps

I opened TMPG and went to mpg tools... Multiplex... Selected my video... chose a test filename to output it to... switched to mpeg2 Program vbr and clicked run. After a few minutes I had a new file to try.

I then opened nero(5.5.9.14) and selected SVCD and turned off the Compliant cd check. Dropped the new file in and clicked write and wrote at 32x. Cd Played ok throught with very little audio and video jitter. I think if I do as satStorm said and reduce the bitrate a bit it should be almost perfect.

I didnt use Nero before because I left out this multiplex step and the video didnt play.

1 question:
1: What does Multiplex do that allowed nero to make a cd that my player will play?

Thanks...

I will keep the updates coming for all those who are interested.

[SatStorm]

You have to read the guides my friend...
Also do a search for multiplexx or re-muxx, de-muxx etc.

The best choice for pioneer players is to multiplexx the files with BBmpeg, a freeware program with many uses (including freeware mpeg 2 encoding). Also, pioneer players looks like they work better with 2480kb/s and not 2520kb/s. I don't understand how this small 40kb/s do a difference but it does (regarding what most of the pioneer users say)

Tmpgenc don't multiplexx the mpeg 2 files 100% correct. The files are playable for the 95% of the players out there, but a small 5% won't! Unfortunatelly, this small 5% belong to very popular brands...

[The Tool]

Im gonna try the 2480 bitrate thing (unfortunately work day slows me down in my tests quite a bit ). I tried to read as many of the How-To's and could not find anything specific saying I need to multiplex before I burn (sorry im an idiot ) Even though this works... I can not locate the reason this needs to be done.

Thanks again for all the help.