Newbie(?) question on playing svcd in dvd player, Does not..

[Xzost]

Hi Everyone

First and fore most, I have followed the steps for creating these svcds from the how-to's, second, vcd's work fine and I have tried different mpg's.

[edit] btw, my dvd player is the panasonic dvd-rv21 [/edit]

That being said, I was wondering if the problem I have is hardware or encoding/burning problem. When I attempt to play svcds, my dvd played accspts the disc, reads the correct length, and beging playing, sort of. The move seems to have a framerate of about 1 frame/sec, its very choppy and no sound can be heard. Stranglly enough, if I fast forward at like 2x, the sound is almost clear and the video is regular... but both are still not perfect. I have seen poeple refer to the wrong field type or something, but I don;t know what that is.

so once again, any help is appreciated and thanks in advanced,

--Xzost

[gll99]

You have described the symptoms but your file specs would help.

Is the video truly mpeg2? what video and audio bitrate? What framerate? Frame size etc..

Did you try to create menus?

You have created vcd before so in general steps, how did you create the svcd.

[Xzost]

thanks for the reply,



Yes, I am almost positive it is mpeg2 because I followed the guides exactly, and nero recognizes it as a mpg2. I did not try to make menus or anything, just plain old svcd with no extras.

The frame rate is 23.9 and, since im a newb, dont; even ask me the other stuff unless u want to tell me how to check it

Is it possible my dvd player can;t play them? or would it not play them at all if that was the case (as in unrecognized)

thanks again for the help.. just keep asking me stuff and ill see what I can do!

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[gll99]

Most of the things I requested are known by you already since you chose the video and audio bitrate, framesize (ie 480x480) etc... at the time of encoding.

Ok you don't give too much to work with but I hear you.

Here's my best educated guess at your problem.

My Apex DVD player and many others will not play properly at 23.97 fps.

I believe you should have encoded at 29.97 or used a 3:2 pulldown.

Not knowing which tools you used to create the svcd makes it difficult to recommend a specific solution but if you used tmpgenc with mpeg2 capabilities then there is a 3:2 pulldown option available (see settings/advanced).

If you want to do a fairly quick test.... do a 5 or 10 min clip of your movie and burn the svcd to cdrw. Try that in your DVD player.

PS:

You would benefit yourself and others if you completed your user profile.

[Xzost]

I did not have to chose any audio or video bit rate, here is what I did step by step:

1) Source is a Divx 5.02 Avi file (for video as well as sound)
2) I open up TMPGEnc (current full version) and wizard pops up
3) I select SVCD NTSC film because when I right click on the avi in windows, it says the framerate is 23.97, and in the guides here at www.vcdhelp.com, it says to use NTSC Film for 23.97 FPS.
4) I leave video as non-interlaced and aspect ratio as 1:1 VGA
4) Then, I go to source and choose half the movie (roughly 40~50 minutes)
5) Then I go to "other settings" -> "advanced" tab and leave everything default except I changed the video arrange method to "full screen (keep aspect ratio"
6) all other settings under "other settings" are left default.
7) I then choose 80 min cd-r as my medium and choose to have it fill 99% of the disc.
8) I then proceed to name it and then encode...

9) for the burn process I open up nero and choose super VCD, disc at once, and drag my mpg file, with no problems, burn with no problems

10) I insert SVCD into my dvd player and the product remains choppy with no sound (when I say choppy, I mean u only see one frame a second roughly)

I dunno what else I could say to help, but I also filled out my profle somewhat liek u asked, is that will help.

My guess is that my dvd player CAN play svcd's, but im doing something fundementally wrong! hope my steps will help you a little more, post steps you would like me to try as well! I am going to try your last suggestion of the 3:2 thing,

[Tommyknocker]

Hold the phone, everyone. Although there are no reports on his particular model, it looks like Panasonics hate SVCDs.

[Xzost]

But tommyknocker, would that not mean that it wouldnt; even read the SVCD? cuz it seems to be able to read the format, cuz it displays the correct length.

Also, a little tid bit to note: if I try to play it at 2x speed or osmehting of that sort, the sound is herd, but distorted, where as normal play there is no sound whatsoever. THe video as well is smoother at 2x rather then normal?? wierd. I tried burning the SVCD at a slower speed... but to no avail.

THanks guys for helping me out! keep it comming, I wanna solve this!


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[Thank_god_its_friday]

Have you tried to download the SVCD sample sample and burn it. I also had problems creating SVCD's when I just started out, so to make sure your DVD player accepts SVCD's correctly try the sample, if this works, you can be sure that you did something wrong in the conversion process.

[Xzost]

Thank_god_its_friday:

I'm glad you suggested this, trying the sample had totally slipped my mind. Good and bad news (more like bad and worse0 :

1) It gave me the same problem as authoring them myself, which iliminates many possibilities

2) Doesn't change the fact that it still doesn't work, meaning getting closer to the answer that my dvd player doesn;t support SVCD's.

Maybe its in the burn process? although I highly doubt it.
any last suggestions?

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[bugster]

Don't know about the panasonic rv21, but the rv31 and rv41 only play SVCD if you apply the "VCD header trick".
To do this open TmpGenc and select file->mpeg tools. Select the simple multiplex tab. browse to your SVCD compatible mpeg. Click the dropdown box at the top and select mpeg-1 VCD compatible. Make sure you enter a path-filename for the output. Hit run. You now have a copy of your SVCD with VCD headers. Burn using Nero as VCD and uncheck make compliant VCD. This works for me.

Hope this helps

NOTE: Be sure the type is set to MPEG-1 Video CD before hitting run, as it tends to change when you select a file!

[Xzost]

WOW!!! thanks for the tip! I tried the header trick wiht the sample and it worked perfectly, I am now in the proccess of trying full length movies to see how it turns out.. aGain, thanks alot to everyone who helped me or trtied to helpme, i really appreciate it.




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[arcorob]

Question about VCD header trick.

Tried this on a 5 minute video and played on an APEX 500W. Played great. Tried it on my PIONEER DV-414 and it played but jerky and sound jerky. Is it because the PIONEER was not really made to play SVCD's anyway ? If thats the case then the trick doesn't help but maybe it is just this machine ? Any thoughts....THANKS

[NYPlayer]

Do a simple mutiplex on Tmpgenc Mpeg Tools select ur svcd mpg file as input. Make sure the Type is set to MPEG-1 Video CD Non standard. Rename ur output to a different name and run.

This will preserve ur original quality but you will be able to play it on a player that only plays VCD's.

This only changes the header but the VCD will still be encoded in mpeg2.

[bugster]

arcorob, this trick is know to work on most Panasonic players and some others. It does not work on all players. If you have performed it correctly and it does not play properly then you may well be out of luck with this. From what I have heard, the APEX players tend to be quite flexible, so you could always try encoding an XVCD with a higher bitrate and or resolution to see if that works.

[arcorob]

Hi and thanks. You mean try an XVCD and fake out the header the same way ? Hmm..I never created an XVCD before. I'll give it a whirl...Thanks !

[bugster]

Not quite, an XVCD is basically an VCD with some parameters changed to try and improve something over and above what standard VCD gives you. Increasing the bitrate and/or resolution are common approaches. Faking the header using the "VCD Header trick" isn't required as you encode with a modified VCD template. You will need to turn off standards compliance when you burn tho!

[Xzost]

hmmm, when I try to do the vcd header trick, the outpput comes out green, any thoughts? it worked the first time I tried it

[afwasborstel]

hmmm, when I try to do the vcd header trick, the outpput comes out green, any thoughts? it worked the first time I tried it

No Problemos....just burn it to NTSC Videocd with Nero...

The green screen is normal in windows...it will work out fine in your dvd player....Windows doesn't liked to be tricked...

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[Xzost]

ok thanks alot!!!!