DvdWorksop still image duration time bug? Plz compare my XML

[draven1968]

Im trying to make a still image slideshow with DvdWorkshop and i have read
the manual and done every thing correctly (even previewing the final project before burning
the timing is correct ..for this example ive chosen a 10second delay between stills)

Below are 2 XML descriptions of a simple slideshow authored with DVDPictureShow and
DVDWorkshop both contain about 7-9 stills with a 10sec wait before contine to the next
still. (PS. ive had NO problems with DVDPictureShow, thus i wanted to make similar
projects useing both programs and ripping and comparing there XML description)

Ive found that the DVDWorkshop XML is missing the 10sec <wait>10/<wait> command
about half way through the XML. Why ?? Can anyone explain what's going on ?

Thanks
Phil
Intermediate user
ps "Why dont i just use DvdPictureShow???" cuz DvdWorkshop you can mix Video and Images with
ease.

DVDPICTURESHOW 9 stills 10 second wait time XML

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE videocd PUBLIC "-//GNU//DTD VideoCD//EN" "http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/videocd.dtd">

<videocd xmlns="http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/1.0/" class="vcd" version="2.0">
<info>
<album-id></album-id>
<volume-count>1</volume-count>
<volume-number>1</volume-number>
<restriction>0</restriction>
</info>
<pvd>
<volume-id>dvd2</volume-id>
<system-id>CD-RTOS CD-BRIDGE</system-id>
<application-id></application-id>
<preparer-id></preparer-id>
<publisher-id></publisher-id>
</pvd>
<filesystem>
<folder>
<name>KARAOKE</name>
</folder>
<folder>
<name>CDI</name>
</folder>
</filesystem>
<segment-items>
<segment-item src="item0001.mpg" id="segment-0000"/>
<segment-item src="item0002.mpg" id="segment-0001"/>
<segment-item src="item0003.mpg" id="segment-0002"/>
<segment-item src="item0004.mpg" id="segment-0003"/>
<segment-item src="item0005.mpg" id="segment-0004"/>
<segment-item src="item0006.mpg" id="segment-0005"/>
<segment-item src="item0007.mpg" id="segment-0006"/>
<segment-item src="item0008.mpg" id="segment-0007"/>
<segment-item src="item0009.mpg" id="segment-0008"/>
</segment-items>
<sequence-items>
<sequence-item src="avseq01.mpg" id="sequence-00">
<default-entry id="entry-000"/>
</sequence-item>
</sequence-items>
<pbc>
<selection id="selection-01">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<default ref="selection-10"/>
<timeout ref="selection-02"/>
<wait>-1</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0000"/>
<select ref="selection-02"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-02">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<next ref="selection-03"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-03"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0001"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-03">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-02"/>
<next ref="selection-04"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-04"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0002"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-04">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-03"/>
<next ref="selection-05"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-05"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0003"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-05">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-04"/>
<next ref="selection-06"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-06"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0004"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-06">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-05"/>
<next ref="selection-07"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-07"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0005"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-07">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-06"/>
<next ref="selection-08"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-08"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0006"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-08">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-07"/>
<next ref="selection-09"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-09"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0007"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-09">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-08"/>
<next ref="selection-01"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0008"/>
</selection>
<playlist id="playlist-01">
<next ref="selection-01"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="sequence-00"/>
</playlist>
<selection id="selection-10">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<next ref="selection-11"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-11"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0001"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-11">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-10"/>
<next ref="selection-12"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-12"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0002"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-12">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-11"/>
<next ref="selection-13"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-13"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0003"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-13">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-12"/>
<next ref="selection-14"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-14"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0004"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-14">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-13"/>
<next ref="selection-15"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-15"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0005"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-15">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-14"/>
<next ref="selection-16"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-16"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0006"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-16">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-15"/>
<next ref="selection-17"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-17"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0007"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-17">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-16"/>
<next ref="selection-01"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0008"/>
</selection>
</pbc>
</videocd>












DVDWORKSHOP 1.2 7still pics 10 sec wait time XML

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE videocd PUBLIC "-//GNU//DTD VideoCD//EN" "http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/videocd.dtd">

<videocd xmlns="http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/1.0/" class="vcd" version="2.0">
<info>
<album-id></album-id>
<volume-count>1</volume-count>
<volume-number>1</volume-number>
<restriction>0</restriction>
</info>
<pvd>
<volume-id>PICS</volume-id>
<system-id>CD-RTOS CD-BRIDGE</system-id>
<application-id></application-id>
<preparer-id></preparer-id>
<publisher-id></publisher-id>
</pvd>
<filesystem>
<folder>
<name>KARAOKE</name>
</folder>
<folder>
<name>CDI</name>
</folder>
</filesystem>
<segment-items>
<segment-item src="item0001.mpg" id="segment-0000"/>
<segment-item src="item0002.mpg" id="segment-0001"/>
<segment-item src="item0003.mpg" id="segment-0002"/>
<segment-item src="item0004.mpg" id="segment-0003"/>
<segment-item src="item0005.mpg" id="segment-0004"/>
<segment-item src="item0006.mpg" id="segment-0005"/>
<segment-item src="item0007.mpg" id="segment-0006"/>
</segment-items>
<sequence-items>
<sequence-item src="avseq01.mpg" id="sequence-00">
<default-entry id="entry-000"/>
<entry id="entry-001">0.480000</entry>
</sequence-item>
</sequence-items>
<pbc>
<selection id="selection-01">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<default ref="selection-14"/>
<timeout ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>-1</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0000"/>
<select ref="selection-08"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-02">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<next ref="selection-03"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="selection-03"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0001"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-03">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-02"/>
<next ref="selection-04"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="selection-04"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0002"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-04">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-03"/>
<next ref="selection-05"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="selection-05"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0003"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-05">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-04"/>
<next ref="selection-06"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="selection-06"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0004"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-06">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-05"/>
<next ref="selection-07"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="selection-07"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0005"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-07">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-06"/>
<next ref="end-1"/>
<return ref="selection-02"/>
<timeout ref="end-1"/>
<wait>10</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0006"/>
</selection>
<playlist id="playlist-01">
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="entry-000"/>
</playlist>
<playlist id="playlist-02">
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="entry-001"/>
</playlist>
<selection id="selection-08">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<next ref="selection-09"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-09"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0001"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-09">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-08"/>
<next ref="selection-10"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-10"/>
<wait>0</wait> --------------- WTF this should be 10sec as in DVDPictureShow XML ! -------
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0002"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-10"> ------------------- all the <wait>0</wait> times should be 10 not 0
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-09"/>
<next ref="selection-11"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-11"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0003"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-11">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-10"/>
<next ref="selection-12"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-12"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0004"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-12">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-11"/>
<next ref="selection-13"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-13"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0005"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-13">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-12"/>
<next ref="selection-01"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0006"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-14">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<next ref="selection-15"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-15"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0001"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-15">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-14"/>
<next ref="selection-16"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-16"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0002"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-16">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-15"/>
<next ref="selection-17"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-17"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0003"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-17">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-16"/>
<next ref="selection-18"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-18"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0004"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-18">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-17"/>
<next ref="selection-19"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-19"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0005"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-19">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-18"/>
<next ref="selection-01"/>
<return ref="selection-01"/>
<timeout ref="selection-01"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<loop jump-timing="delayed">1</loop>
<play-item ref="segment-0006"/>
</selection>
<endlist id="end-1"/>
</pbc>
</videocd>

[vitualis]

If VCDXRIP did its job properly, it showed that the VCD authoring by that program was stuffed. Other possibilities include that your "stills" are actually motion video, but I take it that isn't the issue right?

Does your disc actually play properly (e.g., do 10 second breaks exist?)

Regards.

[Lamont Cranston]

draven1968, I have used both DVDPS and DVDWS to create slide shows and both work fine. DVDWS shows each slide for what ever duration I have plugged in both globally, in preferances, and individually. Unfortunatley, Ulead does not always impliment features 'correctly. For example in DVDWS Ulead specs the 'first play, as equivalent to an overature but it is not. First Play appears as chapter 1.

[draven1968]

If VCDXRIP did its job properly, it showed that the VCD authoring by that program was stuffed. Other possibilities include that your "stills" are actually motion video, but I take it that isn't the issue right?

Does your disc actually play properly (e.g., do 10 second breaks exist?)

Regards.

Hi,
Nah the disc in my OMNIslp3102 dvdplayer played all the stills with a
timing of prob 1sec each!. Anyways after posting my XML descriptions i
manually changed the "wait" times to 10 secs and VCDXBUILD,burnt and
played on my dvd player and it was perfect. Ill keep experimenting.

oh and michael, about the vcdimager utility/frontend you wrote....theres
something strange going on with the vcdxbuild process (and ive experienced the same with TSCV) ... the bin/cue file has more cue points
than it should and when burnt and played is corrupt ? Ive been using
the lastest VCDeasy for vcdxrip and vcdxbuild and is more stable and
no probs. Im just wondering whats going on?
I appreicate your input about this
by the way..... it was your VCD DEMO disc and XML stuff that got me
really exicted about the possiblities of VCD/SVCD !
Thanks
Phil

[draven1968]

draven1968, I have used both DVDPS and DVDWS to create slide shows and both work fine. DVDWS shows each slide for what ever duration I have plugged in both globally, in preferances, and individually. Unfortunatley, Ulead does not always impliment features 'correctly. For example in DVDWS Ulead specs the 'first play, as equivalent to an overature but it is not. First Play appears as chapter 1.

Thanks for replying Lamont,
Ive set the global preference for 10 sec and manully checked each
still for the duration and and total duration, and like i said at the
Finish Stage of DVDWorkshop where you preview how the menus and
stills should play....everything is fine
but when its burnt and played on my dvd player the still whizz by at
about 1sec duration each!
My only fix has been to manually edit the XML and after testing that
the stills have been correct. (BUT what a pain to have to go through that!
Phil

[Lamont Cranston]

Ive set the global preference for 10 sec and manully checked each
still for the duration and and total duration, and like i said at the
Finish Stage of DVDWorkshop where you preview how the menus and
stills should play....everything is fine
but when its burnt and played on my dvd player the still whizz by at
about 1sec duration each!
My only fix has been to manually edit the XML and after testing that
the stills have been correct. (BUT what a pain to have to go through that!
Phil

That is interesting. The VCDs and DVDs play fine on all 4 of my Stand-alone DVD players. Although there is no mention of any fix for still timing had you applied DVDWS V1.3 patch? http://www.adstech.com/support/downloads/drivers/drivers.asp?os=Windows&product_id=USBAV-700

[vitualis]

oh and michael, about the vcdimager utility/frontend you wrote....theres
something strange going on with the vcdxbuild process (and ive experienced the same with TSCV) ... the bin/cue file has more cue points
than it should and when burnt and played is corrupt ? Ive been using
the lastest VCDeasy for vcdxrip and vcdxbuild and is more stable and
no probs. Im just wondering whats going on?
I appreicate your input about this
by the way..... it was your VCD DEMO disc and XML stuff that got me
really exicted about the possiblities of VCD/SVCD !
Thanks
Phil

I'm not entirely sure what you mean...

When VCDXBUILD makes the CUE/BIN image, it creates subindicies for each of the "chapters". These are not "necessary" it would seem, but I think are in the specs.

I have not experienced any time when VCDXBUILD made more subindices that specified (as per the XML file) but it has been noted by someone else that numerous subindices within a track caused his player to baulk at the disc (it was a Sony DVD player I believe).

If this is the issue, you can simply remove all the extraneous subindicies in the CUE file. The subsquent VCD will almost always work.

VCDEasy from memory creates a CUEsheet without the additional subindices by default.

VCDImager Tools GUI (and TSCV I believe) doesn't do anything except use VCDXBUILD natively. Thus, any problem with these two proggies you would expect too if you justed used VCDXBUILD using the command line (indeed, VCDImager Tools GUI -- my proggy -- simply creates a batch file on the fly!).

I generally don't recommend people using VCDEasy as a GUI for VCDXBUILD as there have been a number of reports that the subsequent image created did not work properly where using VCDXBUILD natively (and hence VCDImager Tools GUI!) does. I do not know why there is this phenomenon.

In summary, it may be simply that your player can't handle numerous subindicies per track (or something is happening when these subindices are being burnt onto your disc). You can thus either continue to use VCDEasy OR manually delete the subindices from the cuesheet.

Best of luck.

Regards.