DVD-MP3?

[DJRumpy]

I just noticed my player supports DVD-MP3. How do I go about creating one using Nero?

UDF? ISO?

Is this as simple as dropping them onto a DVD, or do I need to perform some video/audio trickery?

[snowmoon]

Check your manual, many have instructions on how the directories should be layed out. I would guess they require UDF formating or why call it DVD-MP3?

[andydd]

Why do you say DVD-Mp3 ?.. Not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Lets start at the beginning.

Many DVD players can play Mp3s burnt onto a CD-R. You may have to use certain bitrates and you may or may not be able to organise them into folders.

You may be able to burn Mp3s onto a DVD-R but its unlikely your DVD player will play them unless you can tell it to expect a DVD data disc as opposed to a DVD -Video disc. On my Afreey player with modified firmawre you can do just that !

Thirdly. Although DVDs dont support the Mp3 format they DO support MP2 so its possible to author a DVD contain your songs in mp2 (MPEG 1 - Level2 48 Khz).

[DJRumpy]

Andydd, I'm not interested in what mp3 is. The fact that a player can read MP3 off of a CD-R would indicate that it CAN read MP3. We're not talking about MPEG video formats here. I need to know if there is a standard, what file format to use, etc.

I hadn't though of the manual for the player Snowmoon ( forest for the trees an all that ). I'll try there as well.

[Cornucopia]

DJRumpy,

You should listen to what andydd has to say.
Let me paraphrase...

What do you really want?

if you want

1. MP3's on a CD (Data-ROM), that's fairly easy to do as long as your player supports it, which it seems to do from what you said. All you have to do is follow the guides on this site. Only thing is that some players are picky about filenames (Long vs. Short / Spaces vs. None / Mixed case vs. Uppercase only / Folders vs. No Folders) and Filesystems (ISO9660 vs. Joliet vs. UDF vs. combos) and Physical Disc Format (Mode1 vs. Mode2Form1 / CDROM vs. CDROMXA) and about bitrates (VBR vs. CBR / How high a maximum?). Check with the player compatibility guide here. If CD-R/W's are ok, then test, test, test.
Your owner's manual may be of help here. If you can't find it, it may be available on the net at the manufacturer's site.
Your best bet here would be CDROM Mode1 or CDROMXA Mode2Form1, ISO9660/Joliet bridge, Longfilenames(Joliet) with Shortfilenames(ISO), NO spaces, modest folder levels, all filenames unique (throughout the whole disc, counting files in separate folders). Bitrates of CBR stereo between minimum 64 or 96 and maximum 256 or so should be compatible with most players.

2. MP3's on a DVD, that's possible, but alot harder. It's quite unlikely that just because it can read MP3's on CD that it would also read it on DVD. Most DVD players' firmware are coded such that if the player searches for and finds a DVD type disc (probably through laser wavelength checks) it will NOT try to figure out any further what kind of disc it is. It will assume the DVD-Video application layer, and go looking for the VIDEO_TS folder/domain and subsequent *.VTS, *.IFO, *.BUP, VOB etc. This doesn't include anything about MP3 so it would most likely ignore any MP3's it finds. Also, other type files in the VIDEO_TS folder/domain are very likely an invalidation of the DVD-Video spec and may cause your player to act funky or lock up.
If you happen to have a player that can read MP3's on a DVD (or recordables) or one that can be modified to read 'em, then your job is much easier. All DVD's are "Data" discs and have only one track format (Roughly equal to CDROM Mode1). Also there is less variability in Filesystem. You've got either UDF or UDF/ISO bridge, or UDF/ISO/Joliet, or for DVD-Video you got the UDF subset known as "microUDF" (alone or incombination with the above just stated). Your best bet here would be a UDF/ISO bridge disc with folders, but with 8.3 filenames. You might have more leeway with bitrates on DVD, but not alot.

On either setup (CD or DVD), you would then just drop the files on the disc (with or without folders), and burn.

I'm not sure what andydd meant about that last bit, although I think what he meant was this:
If your player supports MP3's on CD, but not MP3's on DVD, you could transcode your MP3's to MP2's and Author them with Black or still pix to make a DVD-Video. That way, you could get them on a DVD. Of course, you will lose some quality by transcoding.
You may be able to fool a DVD-Video Authoring program to accept MP3's as renamed MP2's (haven't tried that yet; it's on my agenda) and then you wouldn't need to transcode. I know the reverse is true because I have done it. You CAN take MP2's-rename them to MP3's-and burn them along with real MP3's and have your MP3-capable DVD player play them!

Let us know how it all turns out. Happy burning!

Scott

[MOVIEGEEK]

DJRumpy,
Use UDF to burn.
Read this thread(esp. my post)
http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115830&highlight=

[offline]

MOVIEGEEK: P.Set video bitrate to cbr 2000kbps for faster encoding and smaller files

How does that work? .. I would have thought video at CBR 300bps
would be faster/less space usage.

[MOVIEGEEK]

If you can get that bitrate more power to ya
I just set it and forget it

[DJRumpy]

Why would I listen to someone babbling nonsense?

I've already stated that my player IS compactible with DVD and MP3.

You may be able to burn Mp3s onto a DVD-R but its unlikely your DVD player will play them unless you can tell it to expect a DVD data disc as opposed to a DVD -Video disc. On my Afreey player with modified firmawre you can do just that !

Obviously they do support MP3, if you are able to play them on your own.

Thirdly. Although DVDs dont support the Mp3 format they DO support MP2 so its possible to author a DVD contain your songs in mp2 (MPEG 1 - Level2 48 Khz).

Why state that you can play them in your first statement, and then turn around and say that DVD's don't support MP3 format?

You expect me to take this seriously?

The question wasn't difficult. I want to know if there is a standard for MP3 on DVD, much like VCD, SVCD, and CD-R MP3. I'm guessing from the morass of info posted here, the answer is no.


Cornucopia:
( #1) I'm not interested in CD-R MP3's
( #2) Already stated that my player supports this, although the last part of this sections was useful, as far as UDF/ISO formats. Thanks.

[snowmoon]

I think his last point wat that DVD's support "slideshows" with mp2 48kzh audio ( a lot of it ) even if they don't support mp3. Many people have done the same with VCD/SVCD and you can get 200+ minutes of audio to playback in any SVCD/most VCD players.

It's a neat trick and you can do alot with PBC. You could do even more with DVD PBC.

Anyone know how to capture WinAMP visualisations?

[DJRumpy]

Pipe your video out, to your video in? Sounds too simplistic.

I've seen the MP2 trick, but it's not something I'm interested in working on. I'm hoping there was a standard, or a simple method. Dropping and burning is what I was hoping for. I've backed up all of my MP3's onto DVD-R, but I wasn't sure if a playlist was required, or what format the DVD had to use (UDF/ISO).

I guess I'll just experiment. Takes SOOO long on a DVD-RW to burn even a small file though.

[offline]

Anyone know how to capture WinAMP visualisations?

I wish.