Have a strange capturing prob, plz hlp.- Now I got a vid!!

[baker]

I had this problem a long time but just got a clip for it so you can see what the problem is.

it will give you an idea of what the problem is:

PLEASE DON'T DOWNLOAD THE CLIP IF YOU THINK YOU CAN'T HELP!!!

TO DOWNLOAD RIGHT CLICK AND CLICK SAVE AS.

http://www.geocities.com/bakeriee2002/divx.avi

Its encoded as divx 5

Look around the moon and the light, see that noise. That looks a=okay now. But when the video is mvoing its very annoying. Its really obvious at the start of star trek voyager.

For anybody who didn't follow the last post I am using mjpeg to capture.

Baker

[baker]

ahh comon guys sopme help!!

Baker

[vhelp]

afternoon,

baker,
Sorry, but your pic is just NOT enough for anyone (me anyways)

I said one second's worth, not 10minutes!! ...compress, and it's
13MB plus/minus.!! Anyways. . .
---> never mind... forget about it !!

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-vhelp

[baker]

OK I have a 42kbps speed at most!! I aint going to wait for 30mbs of film!!

ON another note I just turned the film into a cvd (it was airplane) and the quailty was fantastic!!!! Whites where white blacks where black!!! I really cound't tell the difference between the orignal 528x576 digital sattelite transmission and my 352x576 cvd!! How fantastic!!Woo!
I have never made a capture this great with huffyuv mind you. Any way since the problem keeps going when I convert, I will convert it to a 100% quailty divx5 and then you will still see it.


wait! I have no where to upload to!! Any takers??

Baker

[baker]

Right heres a 4 second clip at the start of the movie. I just watched more if it and found that it gets worse!! There is a scene in the cockpit where there are dark patches andlight pathes and it looks awful!! as I said I am using picvideo as I like it better and thw quailty is fantastic, apart from this problem.

Anyway here is a clip divx 5, full quailty. Look around where the moon and the light meets the dark sky.

[baker]

Right heres a 4 second clip at the start of the movie. I just watched more if it and found that it gets worse!! There is a scene in the cockpit where there are dark patches andlight pathes and it looks awful!! as I said I am using picvideo as I like it better and thw quailty is fantastic, apart from this problem.

Anyway here is a clip divx 5, full quailty. Look around where the moon and the light meets the dark sky.


http://www.geocities.com/bakeriee2002/divx.avi

Baker

[vhelp]

baker,

Sorry, not a divX fan. So, I don't have these codecs installed on my PC, and
have no plan to at the time either.

Have a good day.

-vhelp

[jesterspet535]

Sorry, but it seems as if your bandwidth has been exceded. I keep getting:

This page is not available.
We're sorry, but this page is currently unavailable for viewing.

[baker]

PLEASE DON'T DOWNLOAD THE CLIP IF YOU THINK YOU CAN'T HELP!!!

TO DOWNLOAD RIGHT CLICK AND CLICK SAVE AS.

Baker

[baker]

I want to capture a film on this wedensday so need help quaick!!

Com on guys!!

There has to be a soloution. MY settings are 6 and 5 and I have sub sambling at 1/1/1 for great detail.

Baker

[baker]

PLEASE HELP i AM DESPERATE.

I WILL CHANGE FORMAT IF ANYBODY CAN SHOW ME ONE AS GOOD AS MJPEG,

JUST THINKING PERHAPS MY READER CODEC IS BROKE.. HMM

Baker

[vhelp]

evening peoples.

baker,
* what show or movie (and channel) are you talking about that is SOO
important to get in best quality ??

And, I don't think that you will get rid of whatever it is that is
plauging your encodes or AVIs. It might be on the source it'self!!
I know that for ST-Voyager, ie, in the intro, were the ship passes
through the flame (from the sun) you see the BAD area, sort of like
it pixelates or give you a solar of less color around the sun. This
is normal, and NOT your capturing or codec or encodes causing this,
and is probably in your other capture projects as well.

I remember doing bits and pieces of the movie AirPlain and I
don't remember seeing any artifacts though. However, there could be
a number of reason why this causes are showing up in various of
your capture/encode projects. You'll have to be more demonstrative
of such.

IN any case, what is the show that you are trying to record. I have
an idea, and (we can help each other out) would like to try and
capture it. Reason? so WE can compare the quality from BOTH our
satalites to see who is responsible for the lesser of quality. You
can capture and encode (I'll do the same) and post both so all can
see and make whatever judgment/observation/skept/conclusion for
these satalite's quality level, etc.
What I'll do is:
* record it to miniDV tape, and
* capturing it via the followng capture cards: ATW; DC10
There's a 4 output distribution amp, that I've ben meaning to
pick up for this and other sort of stuff. I want to be able to make
quick capture and compare stuff, and this is the way to go.

Reply back quick, though.
Time is running out (for you that is)

-vhelp

[baker]

Hi vhelp,

Long time no see, I presume you still avoid divx . so if so give me a shout and I will make a clip with a suitabe codec for you. Internet access is deer over in ireland you know!

And, I don't think that you will get rid of whatever it is that is
plauging your encodes or AVIs. It might be on the source it'self!!
I know that for ST-Voyager, ie, in the intro, were the ship passes
through the flame (from the sun) you see the BAD area, sort of like
it pixelates or give you a solar of less color around the sun. This
is normal, and NOT your capturing or codec or encodes causing this,
and is probably in your other capture projects as well.

Nah its like nothing I have seen before, I just recorded off what might be the best looking channell on sky digital and in the dark scenes it still there. I attempted to record eraser off this channell and knew if I had problems it was my fault as the picture was fantastic (maybe a bit soft). At the start of Eraser there is a load of scenes involving a dark house which is being taken over by terrorists. This whole scene is awful. This strange dark/white affect everywhere. Just looking at th film annoys me, as it looks great apart from this. Rememeber that picture I posted? Well see the way the botom half is white/bright and the top half is black/dark well look at where they meet in the middle. Its like the codec isn't sure where the bright stops and the dark starts, and this gets worse when the video is moving at this noise moves.

Now may I point out something to you:
somepeople can't notice macroblocks, some (most ppl here!) can.

This may be the same effect, although I showed this to somebody I know and he said it was ruingin the movie.

Here are my settings:

PIC VIDEO MJPEG CODEC:
Luminance-0
Chrominance-6
Subsampling(detail?) 1/1/1

And that about it, everything else is default.

I put the chrominace at 6, this losses slight ammont of colour data, but that is unnoticible. I left the lumionance at 0 to make sure it wasn't causing my problem.(as luminace saves brightness data).

I remember doing bits and pieces of the movie AirPlain and I
don't remember seeing any artifacts though. However, there could be
a number of reason why this causes are showing up in various of
your capture/encode projects. You'll have to be more demonstrative
of such.

Don't look for artifacts! Its not mpeg blocks or anything.

baker,
* what show or movie (and channel) are you talking about that is SOO
important to get in best quality ??

I want the best quailty movies possible, 352x576 video that is untellable form the original. I have gotten that with airplane except this white noise still appears, apart from that the quailty is fantastic.

IN any case, what is the show that you are trying to record. I have
an idea, and (we can help each other out) would like to try and
capture it. Reason? so WE can compare the quality from BOTH our
satalites to see who is responsible for the lesser of quality. You
can capture and encode (I'll do the same) and post both so all can
see and make whatever judgment/observation/skept/conclusion for
these satalite's quality level, etc.

I was thinging, where are you from. If you can pick up TCM or some of the bskyb channles then we could reocrd at the same time and as you say share results.

Thanks for listening,
Baker

[baker]

Vhelp.

I have news.. I wont say good news as it aint good, and I wont say bad as it aint bad. It's that I was testing using xvid as a capture codec for my own homemade pvr, when I noticed something on one of the test clips. The strange affect was there!!! So it aint pic video! Its my system, but the question remains, where is my problem. I havent got a mino tivo like your dv cam, I may just use a normal vcr recording of the start of voyager. I should let you know I am using a win tv go and hacked capture drivers for higher res.

Another clue but still nowhere nearer to discovering whats wrong.

I still think we should go ahead with recording something together so we can figure out whats up.

Baker

[vhelp]

evening all.

baker,
Sounds like you are suffering from a similar symtom as I. But, in my
case, it's my two PCs and encoding quality.

Scenario is:
* On my main (1st) pc, I have pretty much everytihng down pat, and
all working well - tested to the hild.
* Now, I have a 2nd pc, and as I have designated it as THE pc for all
my capturing and encoding projects, it's THE one that is causing my
the similar symtoms as you - well, to some degree.
* In my case, I have it narrowed down to two issues: driver and/or
VFAPI plugin or VFAPI *.dll or something there. But, since NOONE
knows HOW to tell WHAT version of VFAPI I have installed on BOTH my
pcs (so I can rule out that it's the causes (if both versions are the
same or not))

Maybe you installed another codec (ah, divX brings some HARD issues to
mind... in my past encodings) And, once I uninstalled ALL divX codecs,
my quality issues went away. Perhaps on some peoples setups, they don't have
these issues, while on others (yours and mine) they/we do!
So, I suspect that it may just very well be a divX codec issue that is
causing compatibility issues or is "clashing" w/ some captures codecs
or encoding, etc. or another codec altogether!

I'm at a stump, about your so called 528x576 capturing from your sources.
Why at 528?? Anyways...

---------------------------------
Another point to mention:
* you don't need the so called hack drivers for your WTVGO card.
I don't have or use it!! w/ my card, I capture at 720x480 w/out any frame drops.

I suspect that your problem is w/ your:
** proper Graphics Card driver installation
** Direct-X versoin,
** and finally, your capture cards driver.

In short, you can't JUST install over another driver. You have to un-install
the driver and start fresh. hint, start w/ the Standard VGA driver, and
work your way down the ladder (above)

...it's all in the WAY and ORDER of installation of things. That's HOW
you get successful endings.
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Oh, I do have a new sample (well, you know there my link is, VHELPs
Samples... ...don't ask me how too... ... ...
My testng tv is a 13" Hopefully, you'rs is a larger screensize... but on my 13"
TV, the sample(s) always look good.
I did see a Philips or RCA 20" Flat Screen that looked REALLY good ($199) and
also a 27" Sony for $199. I always wanted a 27" but they BOTH look very good.
Was just browsing, thats all. anyways...

Oh, one last thing. I DON't have ANY pay movie channels. No HBO or TMC
or TCM or whatever you spoke of.
* Just regular channels, sci-fi tbs, etc.
* 2-13
* 25-60 (some, from attenna sources provided by DirecTV)
* and of ourse, all my other channels for $32 a month

Give the above some thought.
-vhelp

[baker]

wrong just that I want hard evidence before I go un insdtalling all my codecs.

quote-I'm at a stump, about your so called 528x576 capturing from your sources.
Why at 528?? Anyways...

Actually I always capture at 480x576 than resize down to 352x576. This gives the video a sharper look. If I mentioned 528 its bvecause thats the res my digital company broadcasts at.

quote-* you don't need the so called hack drivers for your WTVGO card.
I don't have or use it!! w/ my card, I capture at 720x480 w/out any frame drops

Its not for framedrops, it as I cna't get past 352x withpout these special drivers. Anyway these drivers are all widely used, I don't think its them.

qutoe-
I suspect that your problem is w/ your:
** proper Graphics Card driver installation
** Direct-X versoin,
** and finally, your capture cards driver.

My voodoo card is not properly installed, as it dosn't like win xp. I hope to be getting rid of win xp ver soon.

quote=In short, you can't JUST install over another driver. You have to un-install
the driver and start fresh. hint, start w/ the Standard VGA driver, and
work your way down the ladder (above)

I figure if its anything its my cap card driver, although I can't install over it as I don't have any other drivers to over write it.

quote-My testng tv is a 13" Hopefully, you'rs is a larger screensize... but on my 13"
TV, the sample(s) always look good.

My tv-out is broke, So i am using my 32" downstairs with my dvd player.

quote-* Just regular channels, sci-fi tbs, etc

I have the sci-fi channel, its bad quailty. I have it so we can do tests on it!

Baker

[baker]

I jus uninstalled then re-enstalled all my drivers... no luck!!

Tell me, Should I just quite and give up capturing all these fantastic movies?


Baker

[vhelp]

Hay baker,

Wake up...

I finally got this divX v5.0.2 going on again. Got it to work w/out
hickup'ing my system so far.

I don't know of you were ever able to figure out your noise issue back
in Sept, cause you never gave a heads up. Anyways, I finally got ta view
you sample. I took a looking at it, but I didn't notice any noise that you
were trying to point out.

Well, anyway, I hope you solve it. But maybe it was the source and not
your encoding. Oh, what was the bitrate you used in your encode ??

I think your SKY/ONE digital isn't so bad after all. So far, it looks
ok to me, based on your sample.

Also, since I took the plunge w/ divX, I've ben making lots of headway
with it. I've ben posting samples, and I don't know if you have D/L'ed any,
but I have a divX sample if you want ta check it out. I'm going to post
another one tomorrow morning or so. So, D/L this one now, before I replace
it w/ yet another nice one, and let me know if you think the ones I post
(my encoding process) are up to spec/your liking. Let me know when you've
D/L'ed it, so I can replace it w/ one I wanted to post this evening, but
though I'd wait till I responded back to you on your noise issue.

Someone has got one of those KISS players, and has already tried one of
my samples, and reported back to me w/ positive results.
Read here: Problem Converting DivX 3 to 4/5

Tell me, Should I just quite and give up capturing all these fantastic movies?

na, you needen't give up all those great movies keep it going.

-vhelp
I have a sample divX if you want to see it <HERE>

[baker]

I knew once you got divx you would like it!

Any way I never solved that noise problem. I have a new computer now but never bothered puting my tv card in as I now only have 20gigs of free space.

I never solved that problem but I am hoping to make my own DVR as soon as possible so would like to find out what it was.

Can you see that noise I was talking about?

Oh yes and I must admit sky didn't do too badly on that film although some parts were bad.

Baker

[baker]

I took a looking at it, but I didn't notice any noise that you
were trying to point out.

Look where the light from the moon collides with the darkness. See they whey there is a clearly defined difference between the lighht and the dark?

Thats what I am talking about.

And I used the 1 pass divx quailty mode for that clip.

Baker

[vhelp]

baker,

Ok, here is whta I've come up with so far. Don't worry about it.
It looks like it was your Satalite Provider airing a jimmied
source. So, I don't think it was a codec or capture issue, just
your provider screwing you (and me w/ my Star Trek E)
They do this w/ Voyager too. When the Ship passes through the
opening scene's Sun's solar flare (fire) you can see what looks like
a ranbow of pixels or something. This effect is also scene thoughout
these TV series, some them are:
* SG-1, Farscape, ST-E, ST-Voyager, ST-NG, and certain movies, like
Mad Max, Blade Runner, and the list goes on.

I don't think there's anything you can do to fix these. Just do the
best you can when you "encode" them to final format.

So, don't sweat it.

-vhelp

[crahak]

So let me get this straight, you have the problem on the encoded divx (obviously), and not on the mjpeg-avi, right? Also, can you tells us what version of DivX and what settings you're using. Then we'll have a better idea how what you're doing and what's hapenning

Edit: (yea, the link works hehe). I can hardly see the noise around the moon, however, there is some noise (kinda like big specks) in the clouds once in a while that really grabbed my attention. I dunno. Maybe it's the satellite feed. My DVB drives me nuts some days. Some shows only have one field, and letterboxed on top... I didn't even manage to make the show look any good in any format/bitrate or anything... I gave up on it and deleted the thing... Most stuff I get off it is ok and ends up in eithr DivX or VCD, but this one sucked... Yes, you could see the black lines on the TV as well... Plain sucky.

[baker]

Nope no matter what I capture to its there.

And no the problem isnt on the actuall sat feed.

Its not that bad there but later on it gets really bad!

Baker

[vhelp]

Morning.

Baker,
I have a great idea.. Why don't you capture from your DVD player ??
If the final AVI is clean, then you know its the broadcaster's screwing you,
as I pointed out earlier in this thread.

Now, why dind't you think of that

Give this a go and let us know what you get.
-vhelp

[baker]

as I said the capture card isn't in my computer anymore, however sometime in 03 proberly the summer, I hope to make my own DVR for recording off the tele.

Yes once again I have tested the problems aint the satellite companys!

Baker

[vhelp]

baker,

ok, ...didn't realize that you gave up on it, so I missunderstood.
Anways... that IS a long wait.

-vhelp

[baker]

thanks for the help anyways.

Baker