How to make a VCD/SVCD with CD Audio (CDDA)

[vitualis]

There are some questions though that came to me.
1. how can i add a 2 second pre-gap between the audio tracks?

You can add the pre-gap by editing the cuesheet (i.e., CUE file). I can't remember off-hand the exact syntax, but it is detailed in the CDRWin help files if you are really interested.

2. what if i move the video tracks at the end of the audio tracks? will this still be readable in the players as an "AVCD"?

There is firstly, no such thing as an "AVCD". This is just a marketing label. These are standard VCD2.0 discs with additional CDDA tracks. The VCD standard requires all the video tracks to be there first... so no, you can't make an "AVCD" with video tracks after the audio. In any case, there are no TOOLS that can do this anyway so if you want to attempt this, you will have to first program your own VCD authoring proggy...

3. is there any other burning utility/software i can use that can make AVCDs aside from FireBurner?

Yes, CDRWin. It will involve editing the cuesheet... or use the old Philips VCD Toolkit that will make "proper" CD-DA tracks in VCDs that are referenced in the filesystem. This is noted earlier in this thread BTW, so please read through it.

Also, i would like to share some of my encounters doing this AVCD project. I have 1 video (4 mins long), and 16 songs in the compilation. I have not encountered any errors in doing this project, but in the finished product i encountered a loud "tik" sound in the end (perhaps at the last frame) of tracks 11 and 12 just as the song exits for the next song. I have checked each song's original wave sources and they are all clean. What could have caused this to be printed on the CD? I burned several copies of the same project and they all have the same "tik" sound at the same spots.

Make sure that your source WAV files are "clean" in terms of just audio data... i.e., no meta data that can be added on by audio editing programs (that include things like name of the track, author, etc.)

Regards.

[darrellonline]

Hi again.
i got CDRWin 3.9b. can i load the VCD cue sheet that i made in the VCDEasy and use the load tracks feature of CDRWin at the same time in one project? Coz, when i do this it doesnt show that i have both video and audio tracks. it just show the audio tracks.

Here's what i did. I made the VCD cuesheet for my video using VCDEasy. Then I loaded this cuesheet in CDRWin, then loaded my audio tracks in. What i am not sure is, if this will be burned with both the audio and video tracks in coz it doesnt show my video tracks in the track list. Not like when i do this using FireBurner where i can easily tell that all my video and audio are in the same project list.

[vitualis]

Hi again.
i got CDRWin 3.9b. can i load the VCD cue sheet that i made in the VCDEasy and use the load tracks feature of CDRWin at the same time in one project? Coz, when i do this it doesnt show that i have both video and audio tracks. it just show the audio tracks.

Here's what i did. I made the VCD cuesheet for my video using VCDEasy. Then I loaded this cuesheet in CDRWin, then loaded my audio tracks in. What i am not sure is, if this will be burned with both the audio and video tracks in coz it doesnt show my video tracks in the track list. Not like when i do this using FireBurner where i can easily tell that all my video and audio are in the same project list.

No, CDRWin doesn't work in that way.

It treats CUE/BIN images as immutable unchangable images.

You will have to dig out a text editor (e.g., Notepad) to open the CUE file, and then edit it manually. To add the additional audio files, the syntax is in the CDRWin help files.

Just read through it.

I'm pretty sure that info is in the forums as well... maybe even this thread (but I haven't read through this thread for a while).

Regards.

[darrellonline]

i;ve tried ur method u suggested, and it does kind of works...
but the only thing is when i listen to the songs, it has some cacophony in it...(which is no good)
so what should i do?

hmm... i have also been encountering this problem. i have "tik" sounds in some audio tracks just as they are exiting in the last frames. I have also tried adding a 2 second gap inbetween songs, and now all those gaps got the "tiking" sounds too.

i wonder what causes this? i am pretty sure that all my audio file masters are "clean". its not a buffer or data transfer concern as it was configured good. could this be perhaps a FireBurner bug issue?

anyone with solutions?

[darrellonline]

Yes! i'm pretty positive that it's a FireBurner bug issue. I tried burning using CDRWin and the quality is super! Way better than the ones i burned using FireBurner. The whole CD is clean and does not have any unwanted noise and "tiks".

[berry_lthird]

Is it possible to add ISO/data tracks to the project?

[treasby]

Will this work if I wanted to put it on a dvd. Instead of a vcd/svcd, I would like to put music videos and audio on the same dvd disc. So when I put it in a dvd player I have the option to watch videos or listen to music.

[Cornucopia]

You can RIP the contents and re-author if you want to go that way, but you can't just "burn the cue" to DVD. There are a number of reasons why that's not possible:

1 Standard DVD's are 1 "DVD" (Equivalent to Mode1) data track; VCD is CDXA Mode2Form1&2, Audio tracks are "Audio" mode (usually multiple tracks). These aren't allowable on any DVD. There are NO SUCH modes in DVDland.

2. DVD's are all ISO/UDF Bridge filesystem discs; VCD is ISO/CDI Bridge only (although it's possible to create a ISO/Mac Bridge disc and still be readable). Audio tracks, of course, have no filesystem.

3. The contents of Audio tracks are PCM, 16bit, 44.1kHz, Stereo. The DVD-Video spec allows for only 48kHz sampling. Similarly, VCD's audio is mp2, 224kbps, 44.1kHz--same problem. These must be resampled to conform to DVD-Video and make it compatible with settops.

4. The VCD application's PBC structure doesn't come close to corresponding with DVD-Video's IFO/VOB structure.

Need I go on?

Scott

[jeans]

I have a mac, but I'm very interested in making one of these things. I don't think any of the programs listed are available. One program I downloaded called ivcd seems like it might do it automatically, but I cant tell from the demo version. Any info/ suggestions would be grately appreciated.

[jeans]

Just thought I'd write to say that IVCD is a good way to go for mac users trying to make an avcd or whatever it's called. Though it does still have the problem of having to skip through vcd tracks in an audio cd player.

[BinaryJustin]

So did anybody find out a way to make an "AVCD" which would jump directly to the audio tracks on a standard CD player?

[Cornucopia]

Oh...I thought everyone understood (from the beginning of the thread as per Vitualis' comments) that the choice/feature of a player's static playing/muted playing/skipping of AVCD's ISO&Mpeg tracks is TOTALLY dependent on the firmware of the player (and so, often unavoidable/uncontrollable).

As long as the player isn't so dumb as to play static and ruin my speakers/ears, I don't mind hitting a skip button.

Scott

[BinaryJustin]

I've made a step-by-step tutorial with images. Just click here.

[violette]

I've a question on AVCDs.. if i put it into my computer, I can't see any files in the disc but it plays when I put it into my dvd player.. Does that mean I won't be able to rip the songs out?

thanks for any responses!

[Cornucopia]

You should be able to see the files on you PC. But if for some reason you don't, use ISOBUSTER to view the sectors of the disc. An AVCD is still supposed to be a valid (S)VCD, so it should have it's MPEG media in all the standard places (SEGMENTS, MPEGAV/MPEG2)
Make sure you strip the Mode2 XA headers (M2F2) from the sectors...

Scott