I was wondering what the distribution is between DVD-R(W), DVD+R(W) and DVD RAM users currently is.
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Hahahahahaha! Look at the percentage difference between -R and +R.
The naysayers better get used to this because -R DVD burners are the future. Between the price of + and people like Sony and HP making the drives, fogeddaboudid.
Companies like Sony are looking for any way to stop us from copying movies. So i say F**k them and their +R drives!
I don't even care if they come out with a 50x drive, i would rather have my 2x DVD copying Pioneer any day.
Note that there are DVD-R/DVD-RAM drives, and DVD-R/-RW/-RAM already exist too (albeit they are very rare, and only seem to be available OEMed with I think NEC computers in Japan).
IremainAMisterE, Errr... By the time I read this there were only about 25 votes. Not a very good indication of the distribution yet.
Dont think you guys are giving the dvd+r writer a chance here.
it is after all a much faster writer than the dvd-r and offers the same compatability, the only down side i can see is that the disks will not read in the x-box,
i own the pioneer 103 and the philips 228
both are very good writers but if i had to choose between either of them i would choose neither,
big companys are now bringing dvd writers out that write to both types of media,
so guys what does that tell ya
yeap dvd+r is on the way up,
another way of looking at it is how many companys produse dvd-r drives and how many produce dvd+r drives.
go on have a look. i think youll be very suprised
Writing speed often changes with each new generation of drives.
Most people out there haven't even bought a DVD writer yet, I don't personally know anybody else who has, they are still too expensive so people who aren't interested in creating video disks will wait until the prices drop. Only the eager beavers (like myself) have gone out and bought one, so its too early to see which format will become the standard.
I rather think that we will see more drives that support both the - and the + formats. This would be my prefered choice if and when I replace my current DVD burner.
I haven't pruchased a DVD Writer yet, but I'm going for either the Panasonic DMR-E3S or the DMR-HS2, both ar -R drives, the +R Drives are annoyingly expensive and the Discs are just as bad, I have a feeling DVD+R will wind up the same way RDRAM is in the "RDRAM VS. DDR RAM" Debate for computers, people who are *desperate* for the absolute best and ahve a ton of ca$gh will buy DVD+R drives the way they bought RDRAM, and people who casualy buy DVD Recorders will buy DVD-R drives the weay most people buy PC's with DDR RAM unles you're talking abut MAc's, which also sue DVD-R and any Graphics specialist will tell you that "Digital Video Editing" of any kind should be done on a MAc, so it's DVD-R for me.
I own a Pioneer A04. I'm very happy with it. I live in Europe/Germany. DVD-R is here still leading, but I must say, that the great stores do not sell DVD-Recorders til now. If you want to buy one, you have to go to a PC-Store and not all of them sell one. So DVD-Recording is until now a very exotic thing here.
If you visit Ebay-Germany and look for drives or media, the DVD-R lead's extremly. Specially the Media you get very chaep. I got on Ebay 25 DVD-R's for just 31 Euro/Dollar. If you look for DVD+R media for that price, you will not find them. Beside this fact, the compatibility to my DVD-Player made DVD-R the only choice. I own a Scott 838, which do not read DVD+R/RW. DVD-RW is working very well.
The compatibility problem for DVD+ is solved. I think the 'war' will win, who offers the cheapest media. I read, that Asia is completely in DVD-R/RW hand. If this is correct, this is the reason, why DVD-R-Media is chaeper, because there are now produced a lot of.
Well, if in tree years DVD-R is dead, who cares. No PC-Component lives longer. If you buy a recoder now, you can not expect to use it for ten years. Freaks like me will buy a new one every 2 or three years. My old DVD-R's will still work in my players. That's all i want.
Greeting from Germany
Originally Posted by dun4cheap
both nero and recordnow (only 2 programs I have used so far). I can
see recordnow start out the write with a very low completion number,
then it goes very high, then it settles down to the proper time for the
media I am using.
When I duplicate a DVD with nero it takes the speed of the source
disk and tries to burn the destination disk at that speed. If they are
different nero displays an error in the log window and then adjusts
the speed accordingly. This is nero .14 and I understand it does not
fully support rhe SONY DRU500a completely yet.
You should be burning at 2.4x with the +rw disk supplied.
Nero comes up with 2.5 for me, but is all seems to work fine.
Got the 4X DVD-R write / 2.4X DVD+R write DRU-500A.
Love it so far; nice looking and plenty of media types (DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, and DVD+RW) to choose from...
I have already burned 3 DVD Video discs of home movies onto DVD-R the first two days I have had it.
I upgraded from a 1X Panasonic DVD-R/DVD-RAM combo drive (that I sold).
I own a BUSlink DVD+R/DVD+RW and I am happy with it. There was a post earlier that said you couldn't play it on the x-box. I have gotten it to work on it flawlessly. You just need the right burning software. I use DiskJuggler you could find it at www.padus.com. It will cost you tho if you want to record to DVD. I am from the US and all I see at the computer store is +R's so the market is where the buck's are. The +R's are just knew and on the climb.
Re: Sony DRU500
Is it as good at -R/-RW as say the Pioneer 104 and as good at +R/+RW as the Philips 228? If so, then why are people still buying either - or + drives. If not, then is this due to compromise between the two formats?
Just curious.....bought a Philips 208 about 6/12 ago and it stank! I was going to buy a Pioneer 104, but then the Sony DRU500 came out. I'm just waiting to see who's still standing after all the smoke and dust clears....
i know everyone just keeps trying to keep the damn
format wars running by buying the new sony drive,
and i know if they had it out a few months ago, i
wouldve got one too,but lets face the facts,-R is here
to stay,+r and ram stuff will go by the roadside
sooner or later,no matter how amny idiots at best
buy say its more compatable,even though it isnt,
most of u dont know when dvd first came out in '97
circuit city came out w/ this DIVX players that the
disc cost 4bucks US$,and half of the studios went
that way,while the others went the other,now we see
hp/sony etc trying to be compatable,they just gonna
lead to the demise of +r anyway....
i got the pio a04- i use princo -r for under a buck
has anyone read the "doors" section of today's sunday times?
(uk and ireland) in it there is an article about dvd recorders replacing vhs. they say that +r/rw will be the "likely winner of the format wars" because it is faster and more advanced than -r/rw, although they admit it is less compatible. oh, and another thing, they mention this site! under the "click here" slogan, saying "all you need to know about the disc formats" i wonder if David Hewson, the writer of the article is a member of this site?
Well, both formats aren't all bad anyways, sounds like they're trying to make + win, but currently, -R drives are a bit cheaper (which is not my major concern), but the -R media prices are lower. The difference in prices of the media will make quite a difference if you use the drive at all. Think I'm getting myself that Pioneer drive around xmas
they say that +r/rw will be the "likely winner of the format wars" because it is faster and more advanced than -r/rw, although they admit it is less compatible.
Can't anyone besides me smell "spin" or am I the only one here over 25?
BTW, if any of these writers can actually predict the future, why don't they just pick this weeks lottery numbers and retire?I don't have a bad attitude...
Life has a bad attitude!
here in Germany every Christmas a big Discounter (Aldi) sells PC's. The people run to the store and buy it, because it is normally really cheap and good quality. The company which manufactures it is called Medion. This year they will sell 200,000 PC's. What has this to do with the - and + war ?! These PC's will contain a DVD-Burner. You can be shure, that all PC's will be sold. So after this christmas 200,000 people in Germany will have an PC-Burner. They did not decide until now which burner it will be, but all rumours say, that it will be a +R/RW.
I think this christmas can cost -R/RW the leadership in Germany. PC-Magazines say, that the Burner Medion will choose, will show what system will win in Germany. Medion has a big power.
I have a Pioneer A04. The only thing that gives me hope , is, that a big eletronic discounter (Saturn) sells Toshiba DVD-R/RW Burners for 299 Euro with a lot of Software. They lowered the prices for DVD-R media dramatically. DVD+R is still much more expensive.
I think that this christmas will show us, where the journey goes. MY opinion is, that DVD+ will make it in the next three years, but I have no problems if not.
Greetings from Germany
I purchased +RW because it it compatible with my very nice Sony DVD stand alone that I bought a couple of years ago. As far as persuing my fair use rights, I have had no problems copying things as long as you use the correct software. The only real software issues I have are the FAT 32 vs NTFS file size barriers and Registration Reporting in XP to Microsoft. ( I don't need Uncle Bill to tell what I can and can't do with my machine!) Encoding time can be reduced by purchasing a somewhat pricy MPEG encoding card, but honestly speaking, the only differences I see at this time is media cost and those are coming down every day.
As long as UK and Germany resist RIAA and Hollywood tyranny an adequate supply of ripping software will always be available for decoding encryption codes. That kind of nutralizes any media format arguments from the consumer standpoint.
I have the HP200i DVD + R/RW and I'm very happy with it. I mostly use it to save recordings from my TiVo and for backing up some rare LaserDiscs that I have. The DVD+R discs that I have written work well with all of my friends stand alone DVD players except for one friends extremely cheap Phillips (go figure) DVD player.
I enjoy the fast record speed and super fast +RW formatting for making quick test DVD's before making a final burn to +R.
I still don't get this "format war" mentality some people have. Unlike VHS vs. Beta, the final product will still play on standard players (unless you go with DVD-RAM).
In the future, if one format does win out to the point that blank DVD's for the other become hard to find, you know we'll all have upgraded our drives to the winning format to get much faster speeds anyway.
Think back - how many CD writers have you owned? Still using that 2x writer you had in '97 ? I think not. But just as those CD's written with that 2x writer still work today, we will still be able to play our old DVD+R or -R discs on our latest generation writer. No real problem. And copying a disc from one format to the other should be very easy if needed (and by then, in just a minute or two).
So my point - don't fret too much over what you go with today - your discs will still play in the future on other drives. You just may not be able to re-record on those RW discs. But by then, you wouldn't want to - they'd record too slow on your new drive.
I have had the Pioneer 104 for about 3 months and have yet to find a player that will not play the disks it makes (based on all my friends and family members DVD players).
Understanding DVD recording is relatively new technology, I was willing to spend the $260 for a drive that some people may call "ancient" in just a few months. All I can say is that the format works fine for me, and I do not see any reason to worry about changing to a different model (except, maybe for faster burn speed).
Also, there is an interesting article in PC Magazine this month concerning DVD-R/RW vs. DVD+R/RW compatibility.
Read it HERE . . . you may be surprised.