CCE causes frames to "shake"

[Foles001]

I used the doom9 DVD 9 to DVD 4.7 guide and everything went fine until I played the movie in my DVD player. I only used the One Pass option and set the avg to 0kbps and max to 9800kbps. I ended up with a 1.7GB movie and It played fine on my computer. So, I went on and used DVD Maestro and ifoupdate (blah blah blah). When I played it back the video seemed to shake when there was movement on the screen. I used to have this problem w/ setting the bitrate SVCD too low but I didn't think that this problem would come up on a DVD. I then went back and created a 2pass and hopefully that worked. The problem is when I play it on my PowerDVD it looks fine (no shake) or windows media player (blah blah). Is there any program that might be able to help me out with this problem. I wish I could use a DVD-RW but my burner does not support it. So I need to find out if there is a "shake" before burning. Or maybe someone knows a better MultiPass system (like 3 or 4 passes). I just need some help! My DVD-R are $5 each!!

[Foles001]

Sorry... the Avg was not 00kbps the min was 0kbps

[BJ_M]

lower your bit rate -- use even 6000 or 7000 as max for video .. 8000 tops .. set average at 4000 , min at 2000 w/ padding and max at 7000 will yeild better results for you with a 3 pass vbr ... more than 3 passes will not get much improvment ...

[adam]

Yes the dvd standard does support up to 9.8mbits but dvd-r's aren't as compatible as pressed dvds so you need to use a max of 9mbits or so, or less depending on your player and media.

I disagree about the min bitrate though, 0 is much better than 2000kbits. Unless you have a specific problem with the encoder allocating too low a bitrate (playback is choppy during little movement or quality suffers) there is no benefit to raising your min bitrate. This will actually lower quality. Even with an avg bitrate of 5 or 6mbits its still conceivable that there will be scenes in your movie that will not require more than 2000kbits, the credits are an obvious example. Maybe use something a little more reasonable like 500kbits or even 1000kbits, but I think 2000kbits will waste bitrate.

[BJ_M]

Yes the dvd standard does support up to 9.8mbits but dvd-r's aren't as compatible as pressed dvds so you need to use a max of 9mbits or so, or less depending on your player and media.

I disagree about the min bitrate though, 0 is much better than 2000kbits. Unless you have a specific problem with the encoder allocating too low a bitrate (playback is choppy during little movement or quality suffers) there is no benefit to raising your min bitrate. This will actually lower quality. Even with an avg bitrate of 5 or 6mbits its still conceivable that there will be scenes in your movie that will not require more than 2000kbits, the credits are an obvious example. Maybe use something a little more reasonable like 500kbits or even 1000kbits, but I think 2000kbits will waste bitrate.

i see your point - the only reason i suggest a higher min bit rate is for 2 reasons , later versions of tmpgenc are sliding towards the min bt rate more than they used to and also it helps a great deal in low contrast scenes with a lot of black elements to prevent banding and pixelization .. though in brighter scenes of low motion it is indeed very wastefull ..
it again goes to show, adjusting your settings per source material to the correct settings as there is no magic perfect setting for a perfect output everytime -- though we can go pretty close to averages a lot of the time..

a LOT of stand alone players have some problesm with dvd-r disks with high bit rates - this has been pointed out here and elsewhere many times .. keep in mind that is indeed true that the higher bit rates will yield a (ussualy) better picture but if the player doesnt play it smoothly it is for naught...

[spooki]

Sounds to me like you should have checked the upper field first box in the options, if the film requires this and you do not check the box then it looks like someone's shaking the camera when there's movement.

It will look ok on your computer as it can handle this but a TV cannot.

If you use "Bitrate viewer" on one of the original vob files in the bottom right hand corner it tells you some info about the video format and one of them is

Top fieldfirst = yes or no

if it's yes you should check the box in CCE otherwise you will get the shake. I just encoded Heist R1 that required this.

[BJ_M]

Sounds to me like you should have checked the upper field first box in the options, if the film requires this and you do not check the box then it looks like someone's shaking the camera when there's movement.

It will look ok on your computer as it can handle this but a TV cannot.

If you use "Bitrate viewer" on one of the original vob files in the bottom right hand corner it tells you some info about the video format and one of them is

Top fieldfirst = yes or no

if it's yes you should check the box in CCE otherwise you will get the shake. I just encoded Heist R1 that required this.

you should for sure be able to see if you got the wrong field first watching it on your computer unless your playback software is converting interlaced to progressive by playing only 1 field of a frame (some do)

[spooki]

Power DVD XP played the video back with no problems but when put onto a DVD-R and played on my Toshiba player it shook like crazy. Re-encoded video with upper field first and now plays fine.

[BJ_M]

powerdvd and windvd both convert the interlace to progressive by 1 field .. media player does also depending on which mpeg codec you have installed -- i think you can turn it off to check your files (which makes most interlaced movies look pretty bad anyway on a pc )