TMPGenc issues resulting in burning problems

[kingsachin]

I am using TMPGenc for the encoding of my AVI files into MPEG1's, and then using VCDcreator (the module in Easy CD creator 5) to burn the VCDs. one question on this and one problem!

The problem first. If i use the wizard in TMPGenc to encode the final MPEG burns with no problem, and the results are ok. If i try and change any of the settings however, the resultant MPEG does not burn in VCDcreator. it comes up with error messages. any suggestions as to why or how to resolve.

the other question, is that once i have encoded the AVI into MPEG1 must i use VCDcreator? or can i just burn the MPEG1 file on tothe CDR? will this cd thern play in a dvd player etc?? if not then are there any good freeware VCD burners? or addons for Easy CD??[/b]

[KingJohn]

Cancel the wizard in TMPGEnc, then hit the load button and load a PAL or NTSC VCD template. Onece the mpeg 1 has been made fully compliant most authoring programs that have VCD can make the VCD, like Nero > VCD

You cannot put the mpg on a CDR and expect it to work, it has to be made into a proper VCD

[donalo]

I noticed when burning a vcd using vcdeasy it will give a warning about a non compliant stream and then says that this is not a problem and is usually a sign of TMPEGEnc. Maybe easy cd creator isn't aware of this and falls over as a result. I'd recommend using VcdEasy as it is a dedicated Vcd, Svcd software package and is extremely well put together.

[KingJohn]

I noticed when burning a vcd using vcdeasy it will give a warning about a non compliant stream and then says that this is not a problem and is usually a sign of TMPEGEnc. Maybe easy cd creator isn't aware of this and falls over as a result. I'd recommend using VcdEasy as it is a dedicated Vcd, Svcd software package and is extremely well put together.

TMPGEnc is not at fault, the VCD template makes a fully compliant VCD.

Authoring software will never complain about the correct mpeg 1 being used. If a mpeg 1 has been made by some other means, or by unlocking the template and changing one of the settings, the authoring program will have the ability to ignore the error, and continue to make the CD.

Making the XVCD with a mpeg 1 which does not comply to the strict specification can result in scraped disks. If you know your DVD player can play mpeg 1 (XVCD) then this is not a problem.

If you don't know what its capable of, it is always best to start with the compliant VCD templates, they will never be wrong.

Easy Cd Creator, will always warn against non compliant mpeg 1

[donalo]

I noticed when burning a vcd using vcdeasy it will give a warning about a non compliant stream and then says that this is not a problem and is usually a sign of TMPEGEnc. Maybe easy cd creator isn't aware of this and falls over as a result. I'd recommend using VcdEasy as it is a dedicated Vcd, Svcd software package and is extremely well put together.

TMPGEnc is not at fault, the VCD template makes a fully compliant VCD.

Authoring software will never complain about the correct mpeg 1 being used. If a mpeg 1 has been made by some other means, or by unlocking the template and changing one of the settings, the authoring program will have the ability to ignore the error, and continue to make the CD.

Making the XVCD with a mpeg 1 which does not comply to the strict specification can result in scraped disks. If you know your DVD player can play mpeg 1 (XVCD) then this is not a problem.

If you don't know what its capable of, it is always best to start with the compliant VCD templates, they will never be wrong.

Easy Cd Creator, will always warn against non compliant mpeg 1

I wasn't aware that I had blamed TMPGEnc on anything! TMPGEnc is an excellent freeware encoder. It does however use Chinese specifications in the mpeg stream which differ slightly from the mpeg standard. This can cause some problems.

[kingsachin]

many thanks for your replies, i shall ensure that i try VCDEasy as i think this may be a more comprehensive packagefor VCD burning.

ALso any idea as to the technical differences between VCD and XVCD i know my DVD player will read XVCDs but justr wonering is it worth going down this line???

[banjazzer]

I tried EasyCD Creator once, 5 Platinum or something similar, for creating VCD. Very soon after I uninstalled it and threw it away. It's used to be barely passable as a CD writing prog (about version 3.5), but has grown worse and more bloated with every incarnation. Use Nero (or VCDEasy) for VCD and SVCD. In fact, I wouldn't use Adaptec burning software for anything.

[KingJohn]

I wasn't aware that I had blamed TMPGEnc on anything! TMPGEnc is an excellent freeware encoder. It does however use Chinese specifications in the mpeg stream which differ slightly from the mpeg standard. This can cause some problems.

I think your confused with the SVCD spec they invented, so that they could make players that were not DVD players

The VCD spec is correct, oh and by the way the author is Japanese not Chinese.

VideoCD (Roxio help file)


General information
The VideoCD or VCD is the oldest of the video standards still used today. The currently valid definition is from 1995. This also explains why this specification offers such limited quality from today's standpoint. This standard is based on the devices available in the early 1990's.

File structure
The file structure on a VCD is permanently specified and is as follows:

Here only the folders in the main directory of the disc are shown. All files below this are not shown. The user can copy additional directories and files to the disc, provided they do not overwrite the required data. For this reason these system directories are also locked in the Data Editor.

Video format
The basic video format on a VCD is MPEG1 with a constant bitrate. The bitrate may not exceed 1.15 MBit/s, which is approximately equivalent to 150 kByte/s. This bitrate is equivalent to the reading speed of a 1x drive. Even if 40x or higher reading speeds are normal in PCs, then this does not apply to the drives used in DVD players. Although 2x is meanwhile standard here, higher speeds are indeed rare.

The following video formats can be written to a VCD with VideoPack:
Video PAL: 352x288
Video NTSC: 352x240
Video MOVIE: 352x240
Audio MPEG: 44.1 kHz stereo or mono at 192 kBit/s or 224 kBit/s

The refresh rate for PAL is always 25 fps/s, for NTSC 29.97 fps and for MOVIE 23.976 images/second. Additional values: muxrate 3528, packet size 2324 video, 2304 audio

TMPGEnc
Video-CD PAL (MPEG-1 352x288 25fps CBR 1150kbps, Layer-2 44100Hz 224kbps)

[offline]

donalo is correct. Tmpgenc uses the chinese format to encode (adding
user info etc.) so you can argue that it is not 100% compliant to vcd standards. It works fine in spec only players though.

[KingJohn]

http://www.icdia.org/cdprosupport/encoding/pink/mpeg1_specs.htm

Next you will be telling me if you leave out CDI and its on a 80 minuet disk, its also not a VCD

I am quote sure though that ANY of the authoring programs would soon complain if the specification of the mpeg 1 was wrong. The data file produced from the mpeg has different headers anyway

[offline]

Next you will be telling me if you leave out CDI and its on a 80 minuet disk, its also not a VCD

Ok. So I'm telling you that very same thing.

As I said above:

you can argue that it is not 100% compliant

donalo was correct re: tmpgenc's "chinese style encoding".
You could, in addition, argue that this made tmpgenc non complient.
I would not do so, but some might - which was my orig. point.

[KingJohn]

Then tell me what "chinese style encoding" is

Something that VCD Easy likes

strange (possibly non-compliant) user_data seen... (not a problem, usually a sign of TMPGEnc)