ASUS GeForce + Windows 2000 Video Capturing

[HillJack]

An FYI for anyone with a GeForce card that only supports "Video for Windows" capturing under Windows 2000 (ie: ASUS cards) and doesnt know about this (I didnt, thats why I'm posting this). You might want to checkout the following link...

http://www.m3dzone.com/article.php?sid=726

It refers to a "Universal WDM Driver" for nVidia cards. I downloaded them and tried them, and viola! I can capture my video under Windows 2000 exactly like in Windows ME!

I have an ASUS V6800 Deluxe, running the latest Win2k ASUS drivers (v12.90) from their ftp and Windows 2000 Professional SP2. Using VirtualDub 1.4.5 (don't know if that makes a difference, but I doubt it), I simply choose Video/Microsft WDM Image Capture (Win32) as opposed to the normal "ASUS VfW Capture Driver v1.1 for Windows 2000" as my capture device, and everything works exactly as it should (full 29.97fps etc) as opposed to the crappy performance with the ASUS drivers!


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HillJack on 2001-08-09 11:19:29 ]</font>

[The_Flash]

Finally. That was the one huge drawback of my V7700, the fact that the capture driver for Win2k blew. Thanks for the information.

[HyP3r]

the link is dead.. i need help the information that was one that site.. anybody could help me out... i need to get my Asus v6800 Deluxe working for capturing...

plz plz plz



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[SatStorm]

Well, I have my 7700 GF2 Delux etc...
I succeed yesterday to grabb at 704X576 resolution, but only with asus live video aplication and only with asus drivers...
The audio sucked (you hearing something like broken mp3), but I had only 4 frame dropes in 20 min of recording (all this in w98se). With w2k, well... Nothing

I tried a week ago those universal drivers, and they don't work in my machine (duron 700 on QDI 7B motherboard). Drop even more frames, both 98se and W2K...

On some forums they say you need faster HD, like the new seagate with 10.000rpm/s. I have a QDI at 7200 (ATA100). So, it is not exactly a proccessor issue, but a HD stuff too.

This card also has great problems with virtualdub. Drops much more frames than asus programs..
Anyway, this is still a test period for me, but a strange thing: The info for asus cards in the net, ain't so much...
Noone seems to use those cards for analogue grabbing...

[The_Flash]

In WinME I use to be able to capure nearly flawlessly directly to VCD format with WinVCR v2.5. VirtualDub worked fine, and even better quality for shorter shows when I had the HD space for the .wav and .avi's.

You may want to check your sound card if you're having audio problems. If I use my on-board sound for capturing I get an AM radio sounding .wav, even with the best settings. The same settings with my Aureal sound card produces a nice sounding .wav

Yeah, that website is offline "due to legal issues"
Have to see if I can find another site with the same drivers.

[HyP3r]

but where can i get those drivers? plz help me out here =)

[snicky11]

I got a asus7700 dlx and can't get the drivers working on win2k the system keeps on hanging on bootup. Does anyone know how to fix this? Also is there a way that I could use the detonator & the said universal WDM drivers together w/o installing the asus drivers to be able to capture video on win2k. If so, where can I get the universal WDM driver?
The link http://www.m3dzone.com/article.php?sid=726 is dead.
The asus drivers works ok on win98/se/me but win2k it doesn't & my main system is running win2k. : (
Hope anyone could help me. Its almost been a year already & asus technical sucks!!!

[HillJack]

I copied my copy of the drivers to my "free" webspace with my ISP - Try http://www.cadvision.com/gsymancz/nvidia-wdm_v104.zip

[HillJack]

Works? Yes/No? I'm going to delete them if nobody says anything.


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[snicky11]

just downloading the file you posted. i'll be testing it as soon as its doon. thanks. hey would you also know how to get the asus7700 dlx drivers work on win2k?

[HillJack]

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just downloading the file you posted. i'll be testing it as soon as its doon. thanks. hey would you also know how to get the asus7700 dlx drivers work on win2k?
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Whats wrong with your drivers? nVidia/ASUS drivers regardless of the version will work on any nVidia/ASUS card (ASUS only updates their website for their latest incarnation of a vidcard so you have to check that)

The only problem I had in Windows 2000, was the refresh rate kept going all wonky - there is an nVidia fix for that. Otherwise, download the latest from ASUS' ftp...

ftp://ftp.asus.com/Pub/ASUS/beta/vga/w2k1290.zip is the link you want.

Good luck!

[Patric]

I installed the drivers.

But in VDub when capturing I'm dropping frames like crazy. Shouldn't be with my AMD 1.333GHZ and my Maxtor 7'200 HD.

Also, when I'm in preview, I see part of the bottom TV picture in the upper area of the picture -> totally screwed up picture. I guess there must be something wrong...

I have the ASUS Deluxe V7100 and I'm running Windows2000 Service Pack 1.

[HillJack]

Patric,

Thats strange, I have had 0 problems with this driver. Did you switch to the proper capture device in VirtualDub - It's no longer your ASUS Video capture or whatever they call it (when using the ASUS capture drivers), you have to switch to the Microsoft WDM device.

Are you running the latest ASUS drivers - v12.90 I believe? How about DirectX, latest version?

Best thing is to install/update DirectX, then install the normal ASUS drivers, then install these WDM drivers. Thats what I did, and always do, in any video-card related situation.

** Keep in mind that these WDM drivers are NOT A REPLACEMENT for your X-brand (ASUS in this case) drivers; these drivers are merely an ADDITION to an already fully functioning manufacturer driver! **



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[onyx_z]

I was having this same problem, Under Windows 98se my Asus 7700dlx was capturing perfectly fine with no more than 1 dropped frame per 800. (CUSL2 + 800EB + 382MB + LVD 10k rpm SCSI drives ) Then I changed to Windows 2000 Professional and couldn't capture at all, dropped 1 out of 3 frames. I downloaded the WDM driver, installed it (got an invalid INF error, but it installed). I can capture once again, BUT it WONT let me capture 352x240 VCD NTSC, is this a PAL WDM driver? Is there a version that will let me capture NTSC VCD?? Where can I get it? Any help would be appriciated! And since this is an NVIDIA driver, how come I can't find anything about it on the nvidia site? Who supports it? where did it come from??

[snicky11]

my i've got the latest driver from asus but when i installed the drivers & reboot my system. win2k hangs on bootup(where you could see the blue bar booting up win2k) till almost 75%. i tried clearing up my pc w/ only the vid card & clean install of win2k but same thing happens. I tried using different driver version but it still same output. i also tried it on winxp same thing happens. you'll just see the windows booting up and not going into windows.

[MarioB79]

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They are not PAL drivers, they can't capture full PAL!!!

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And since this is an NVIDIA driver, how come I can't find anything about it on the nvidia site? Who supports it? where did it come from??
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Good question

Ah, I've a 7700dx on an Athlon 1200. These drivers don't work for me...

Bye

MarioB79

[SatStorm]

Hey!
I think from now on, when we post for drivers, let mention and if there are for Pal or NTSC capture...
I don't care for NTSC, I live in Europe...
Others don't care for Pal, they live in US

I tried the new nvidia drivers again (and I bought and a new soundcard from Hercules, a great one..)
My "audio" problem eliminate now, but only to W98SE..
On w2k, nothing. Only frame drops...
Also, I like to mention that I have no drops with Virtual dub with the resolution 352X288, with any drivers. The problems I got are with 702X576 which I am interest...
Also, this card ain't let me capture to 352X576, the ideal format for caprure from VHS or SVHS....

[HillJack]

Well, I don't know why you guys are having problems - the drivers installed just fine on my Win2K Pro SP2 system, and they let me capture NTSC at 352x240... Though I had to specify a "custom format" in VirtualDub first...

I appologise for not specifying NTSC, but I didn't think it mattered because you don't download PAL or NTSC specific drivers from nVidia or ASUS... do you? I don't. Isnt the only difference the dimensions anyway? try specifying a custom format in VirtualDub and see what happens.

The only problem I experience with these drivers (not really a PROBLEM, just a bug) is when I boot Windows up, and "Capture AVI" with VirtualDub for the first time in a session, the "video source" is set back to Composite, and I use S-Video - Setting the source to S-Video, hitting OK (not apply) then exiting VirutalDub, then reloading VirtualDub fixes that problem for the remainder of my Windows session.

As for support, no, nVidia does not reference these drivers on their website, thats why I felt it important to post the info here and hopefully help out others who are having the same problem... but they do work for me and my V6800. I'm sure they will work with any GeForce-based card.

I honestly dont know why you guys are having problems...

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[HillJack]

Also, maybe some of you are running that ASUS tray-utility that lets you switch resolutions and such by right-clicking the icon... I can't remember what the heck its called... I don't use that, never have... Maybe it has something to do with the problems your experiencing? Disable the task-util and see if that helps - heck disable everything ASUS and see what happens (I know the ASUS drivers, for some stupid reason, install a keyboard-filter driver... search the registry for that one - in the Run, RunOnce sections and disable them both)

[onyx_z]

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On 2001-09-10 11:16:31, HillJack wrote:
Well, I don't know why you guys are having problems - the drivers installed just fine on my Win2K Pro SP2 system, and they let me capture NTSC at 352x240... Though I had to specify a "custom format" in VirtualDub first...
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When I try to "custom" specify 352x240 it says that resolution isn't supported by the capture device, which is not true, under Windows98se that's the resolution I used to make VCDs. And if I switch back to the ASUS capture driver, that resolution IS available, as a standard setting, not custom. Could this have anything to do with the "invalid INF" error I got during the installation of the WDM drivers? This is a FRESH install of Win2k pro (SP2) with Asus win2k 12.90 v7700 drivers, and the Asus Live 4.6b5 application (which installs the capture drivers for me). Then I put your WDM on top of that, and got the install error. Is this what you did Hilljack?

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As for support, no, nVidia does not reference these drivers on their website, thats why I felt it important to post the info here and hopefully help out others who are having the same problem... but they do work for me and my V6800. I'm sure they will work with any GeForce-based card.
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If Nvidia doesn't post these drivers, how did you find them? where did they come from? And if everyone is having the same capture problems with Asus Nvidia cards on Win 2k, should we be sending Asus or Nvidia tech support e-mails so they can fix the problem? This is a serious problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks!

[HillJack]

I found them by searching Google for "nVidia WDM Video Capture" I think it was. As for why nVidia doesnt reference them on their website, beats me. All I know is they work 100% fine on my box with ASUS 12.90 drivers. I got them from that site I referenced when I first posted the info - http://www.m3dzone.com and the only reason I posted them to my webspace for others, is because people said the original link was dead (which it is).

I'll try to take some screenshots of my exact setup (like control panel/multimedia devices, VirtualDub settings etc) tomorrow and put up a webpage with how I do it... 352x240 is no problem for me... HOPEFULLY it will help somebody

As for who to e-mail about them, I'm sure you know (or have heard) how wonderfully responsive ASUS tech support is, so if you want to e-mail someone, I would e-mail nVidia.

[HillJack]

Assuming you run the setup.exe from the ZIP... Have a look at http://www.VampireZ.com/WDM and see if your configuration matches - this is my setup.

[onyx_z]

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On 2001-09-10 20:25:28, HillJack wrote:
Assuming you run the setup.exe from the ZIP... Have a look at http://www.VampireZ.com/WDM and see if your configuration matches - this is my setup.

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Thank you SO much HillJack, that was perfectly helpful! I found the problem. I have always been selecting 24-Bit RGB as the data format as suggested by the Capture tutorial here on http://www.vcdhelp.com. I use Huffyuv-2.1.1 as my video compression, again as recommended. It looks like I can also use Huffyuv with the UYVY you select. Will there be any difference between that and the 24-bit RGB I'm use to using? Will there be any quality difference? Can I use Huffyuv with UYVY? I'm still mystified why I could use 352x240 with 24-bit RBG with the ASUS driver, but not with this WDM driver. I guess it's just what the developer implimented in WDM?

Before I was able to fix this, i tried a capture in 640x480x24 29.97 frames and then used TMPGEnc to encode and re-size to 352x240. I use the noise reduction and sharpen edge filters, when there was no motion, the picture was fantastic! Looked better than the VHS tape, but any significant motion caused a weird ghosting/blurring I've never seen before. Not like the blockyness from a poor (low res compression) capture, but double images, very ghosty. Is this from the compression from 640x480 to 352x240? or maybe from one of the filters? I'm SO close to having a procedure that works to my satisfaction so I can start transfering all my kids videos to VCD so they can stop wearing them out! There are just TOO many variables in all of this. Probably NOBODY does it exactly like anyone else. Wish there was a perfect cookbook (this is what works best) tutorial. But like I said, just too many variables. Thanks Again HillJack.

[HillJack]

onyx_z,

I'm glad that helped - I actually thought of the RGB vs. UYVY thing when I was taking the "custom format" screenshot. I too use HuffYUV for compression, and again.. no problems with that at its default settings either

As for quality difference, I notice absolutely no quality difference (in fact, I think my Win2K caps looks better than my WinME caps... but thats just me

[snicky11]

how do you disable the asus keyboard filter fromt the registry? just delete the key value? When you installed the asus drivers, did your system stuck upon bootup & have to go to safe mode to disable the asus tray & kb filter? I really wanted to make my vid card work on win2k or even in XP so that I wouldnt have to do a dual boot system & can capture anytime using the my main OS. please help get it work.

[HillJack]

snicky11,

My mistake - I tried to install VideoPack 4 a few weeks back and it completely trashed my Win2K (it corrupted a registry file - Win2K wouldnt even boot in safe-mode), so I had to reinstall windows.

Checking it now, the only thing I have disabled THIS TIME is the tray-icon, NOT the keyboard filter, and it works fine. The keyboard filter is a "device" that you can "remove" from the control panel, just like any other device, but I doubt that will help you - I suspect your hang-problem is something else, as both myself and onyx_z have it working properly.

Do you have the DirectX digital video update thing installed? Check http://www.Microsoft.com/DirectX for it (I cant remember its exact name but its the only other download other than DirectX).

Thats about all I can think of otherwise, sorry.

onyx_z, it sounds like your "double image" problem is interlacing? If I set my capture dimensions to 704x480 I too see the "double image" and thats interlacing. I capture my VCD's at 352x240 instead of the higher resolution, so I'm not sure, but thats what it sounds like to me

[onyx_z]

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On 2001-09-11 02:07:57, HillJack wrote:

Checking it now, the only thing I have disabled THIS TIME is the tray-icon, NOT the keyboard filter, and it works fine. The keyboard filter is a "device" that you can "remove" from the control panel, just like any other device, but I doubt that will help you - I suspect your hang-problem is something else, as both myself and onyx_z have it working properly.

onyx_z, it sounds like your "double image" problem is interlacing? If I set my capture dimensions to 704x480 I too see the "double image" and thats interlacing. I capture my VCD's at 352x240 instead of the higher resolution, so I'm not sure, but thats what it sounds like to me
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Last night, to try and get my mind off of the horrible problems, I did a capture at 352x240 using UYVY and Huffy. It worked pretty well, no more than 15 frames dropped in over 60k worth of video frames. I encoded it with TMPGEnc using my standard settings and did NOT see any of the ghosts from before. So thank you HillJack, it must have been interlace. I need to examine the final product more closely though. It seems to me that this capture/conversion is a little more blocky than when I was capturing with 24-bit RGB. But since I can no longer do a 352x240 with 24-bit RGB capture, I guess I'll have to live with it. I plan on sending e-mail to ASUS tech support explaining the problem is as MUCH detail as I can, but we'll only be able to get ASUS to fix it if ALL owners of ASUS cards running win 2k write and complain. So PLEASE, Everyone write to ASUS tech support and tell them their video capture under win 2k is broken! I should think if we can get 30 or 40 poeople to write, it should get them to look at it.

Oh, and I also wanted to say that I have not disabled anything like the tray icon for the ASUS card or anything. I have a clean Win 2k Pro + SP2 + Asus V7700 12.90 + Asus Live 4.6b5 + HillJack's WDM v104 driver. This is on an ASUS CUSL2 + Intel PIII 800EB + Asus V7700 DLX. Are all these win 2k lockups happening only on AMD processors / MBs? Thus the reason I went with Intel. I hate incompatibility problems. I'm waiting for the PIII 1.1 GHZ chip to become available, and I'll upgrade my processor to reduce my TMPGEnc times. On my 800EB, it takes 5 hours to convert 35 minutes of AVI to VCD. But I also use the highest motion compensation setting with noise reduction, line sharpening and cropping filters, which slows it down a lot, but REALLY cleans up VHS tapes.

[bky]

hilljack
first of all, thanks for the help. but i cant get that driver 'cus that m3dzone.com is down.
anyway, another problem. i have win2k as you know, and when i close Asus Live, it gives me a error message
its goes like this
"The instruction at "0x7f841078" referenced memory at "0x02cd2d10". the memory could not be "read". Click on OK to terminate the program."

and this time i open Asus Live, it has this pop up saying that i have "1-a tv box / 2-a tv turner. please remove one to continue" this message only appeared once for the first time, so i dont know what exactly it says.

so what gives? anyone out there who experienced this?

[HillJack]

bky,

First off, throw away ASUS Live (or just dont use it and get VirtualDub (www.virtualdub.org).

Second, download the latest ASUS drivers from their FTP (ftp.asus.com - latest version is 12.90 I believe).

Update your DirectX and include the Digital Video patch.

Lastly, download the nVidia WDM drivers at
http://www.cadvision.com/gsymancz/nvidia-wdm_v104.zip
(m3dzone.com is down, so I put my copy of them there for whoever wants them).

Try that and let me know how it goes!

[bky]

hilljack:
i've uninstalled asus live, installed asus w2k1290 driver that nvidia universal wdm, and i have direct X v. 8.0 all along. well, what happen is that i got that microsoft wdm image capture (win32) as the default capture driver.
(o, i should mention this, i have a logitech webcam(usb) installed) capture source video device is nvidia wdm video capture (universal) and the video source is video composite.
um, there are some files that you have on youre setting page that i dont have/(its ok i guess because i am using a different card. if not, where can i get those files?)
a funny thing tho, i dont seem to get that custom video format under video setting. ?!?!? I am using virtualDub 1.4.7
what did i do wrong (afterall, this is my first time using this software, so i dont know where everything is nor i know what all these setting mean, its gonna be awhile b4 i can burn my vcd)
please help..