Which is better: CCE or TMPGEnc ?

[CaptainMaki]

I see here a lot of buzz about TMPG (most of the guides here and the q's in the forum). From what i see in the VCD and SVCD scene, I see a lot of groups that use CCE 4-pass and even 5-pass VBR.

I know how to use TMPG with 2-pass VBR, is CCE is better in general ? or it's only better in 4-pass and such (which takes much more time to work).

thx for your help.

[mickle]

Personaly I use cce 4 pass and find it a lot better than TMPEGEnc but I'm sure others will express thier opinions to the contrary.

Mike

[ViperXT]

Personally I use TMPGenc. I have tried CCE and I just hated the interface. Although, one thing you can't argue with is the sheer speed of CCE. Even 4 pass VBR or more is much faster than TMPGencs 2 pass and usually looks a little better as well. For MPEG 1 TMPGenc is king though. I prefer the wealth of easy to use features that TMPGenc has. Put if you want speed and good quality CCE is a great choice.

[banjazzer]

Those who denigrate TMPG probably haven't used its CQ mode. However, you do need to be able to cope with basic maths to predict the filesize. 8)

[vhelp]

mickle,

Not another CCE vs. TMPG!! ...anyways...

I have found that both produce pretty much the same quality, give
or take a little. You have to be up really close to your PC monitor to
actually see a difference, weather it's CCE or TMPG to compare wich is
the better one.

CCE is faster, but NOT that faster, as many here are claimng. Come on,
it's NOT that faster. a minue here or there maybe, but not worth the $1995
it cost for the so called speed increase. Again, quality'wise, CCE vs. TMPG
are pretty much the same. both produce pretty much the same
quality scale, so it's really up to use. Which fan R U?? Then, that's the
side you'll end up with. Personally, I'm a fan of TMPG, so I'm naturally
gonna go w/ TMPG. But, I have ben able to do many test encodes w/ CCE
and TMPG and can say that they both are very close. And, using TMPG's
"CQ" mode is right up there too. I pretty much CQ now, in most of my
encodes other than 2pass that I compare against CCE's 3.1 pass with.
I good scale I use (at least in my testings) in CCE is, 2010/600/4000 bitrate.
Don't let the 4000 max scare you. It will usually keep your average at or
below 1900 bitrate, and the clip usually looks pretty damn good though.
so, that's a fairly good scale to use if you are trying to squeez an hours
worth onto one cd-r. Bare in mind, I'm after quality. Anyways, still use
prefer TMPG cause of it's MUCH easier filtering use, ie color

The version I use for CCE v2.50
As this is THE version to use for frameserving just about anything, and in
just about anyway, w/out any problems. It's when you go above v2.50 that you
will have MAGA troubles, as in my latest CCE v2.64 endeavors, before I gave
up on it due to too many blown fuese.

I agree, the interface is the most LOUSYest one there is. Even TMPG's is
better, though a bit completed for the newbie at first too.

Both these apps need to make some adjustments in their "user friendly"
interface use. We tend (myself) run may test encodes, and there are many
instaces where we have to navigate here and there, open/close, etc. but these
apps aren't designed for such user intertwining. well, I'll leave it at that.
If I knew how to:
* read an AVI file (frame by frame) and then,
* convert to MPEG as in TMPG
...in it's simplest form, I'd create a user friendly interface that would
meet power users like myself, who run many encoding scenarios on a daily bases.
But, I don't, so I can't create such a beast.

But, in answer to your question, BOTH are good encoders.

-vhelp

[puertorican138]

CaptainMaki, you should poll this topic.

[lastquark]

Both CCE and TMPG can achieve the best quality. Here's where the difference lies:

TMPG
- Very stable
- Nice interface
- Very slow even on dual Pentiums
- Feature filled

CCE
- Crappy programming. Buggy even on 2.64
- You'll get pissed off if frameserving from Premiere through Avisynth
- Expensive and you'll be forced to use Link2 for frameserving
- Fast. Very fast.

I generally use CCE for DVD2SVCD and converting DV home movies to Mpeg simply because it is very fast and achieve the same quality as TMPG.

If you are ripping a DVD movie to DVDR using CCE, good luck. Too many steps to take. TMPG is better in this regard.