Plain N Simple: How to copy a VCD on a CDR to a blank CDR?

[reddragonmd]

ok: i've read thru the posts, but it is a jumble. I have a 700MG CDR Disk with a VCD
on it. I simply want to make a duplicate CDR with the same vcd on it.

i know this is possible for god sake, but how? I tried it on my mac using adaptec
toast v.4.1 and it gives errors when i drag files (saying music.xxx has a problem and
an i/o error??). I also checked the format of the disk using get info and it says it is an
IS09000 disk with a vcd on it.

How in the heck can i just make a simple copy of it??? plz someone.

[KingJohn]

You cannot make a disk to disk copy if the original is curupt

toast v.4.1 and it gives errors when i drag files (saying music.xxx has a problem and an i/o error??).

try to copy the .dat file to hard drive, if that fails, then the disk is no good.

[MikeV]

You might want to try CD Rescue. It can be found here. http://www.naltech.com/

[vitualis]

I don't really know for the Mac, but under Windows, all the common burning programs allow you to do a simple copy and that is all that is needed.

For more advanced CD copying requirements, CloneCD is probably the best program to use.

Regards.

[reddragonmd]

hi all-

first lemme say sorry for making 2 posts of the same topic in 2 different boards. I just needed to figure this out really badly.

second:

I brought in a blank 700MG cdr this morning to work, along with a vcd i want to copy. I put them in the respective drives, and proceeded to use adaptec cd copier. it has started copying as i type, which is a good thing

BUT i noticed that where it states "bytes remaining" it started out at 750MG.. how could the priginal author/copier get an extra 50MG on a 700MG cd??

I think maybe when i was draggin and droppin on my mac at home, thats why it was erroring. Its weird tho because i even tried copying the files by hand (apple C,apple v) and got the -36 error. something about i/o bummer?? um huh?

anyway im just wondering if you have anymore thoughts on this. the truth is i bought a set of cartoon episodes on vcd, and i want to make a simple back up set incase something happens to the original. i have tested all the disks in my dvd player, and they all worked fine. so i dont think the diskhas errors per say. Is there any freeware programs beter than adaptec i could use?

im most concerned about how the original author got 50MG extra on th disk, and why it was erroring at home. any more insight is greatly appriciated.

[Gargoyle]

VCDs are burned/authored in Mode 2, which allows about 70 Minutes on a 700 Meg disc, so the actual file size can be greater than 700 Meg - I've burned files of up to 815 Meg on a 700 meg (80 minute) CDr.
I think your best bet would be to create an image (.BIN, .ISO, etc.) of the source VCD, then just burn the image to your blank CDr.

[IonNuke]

Chances are the VCD isn't corrupt. It's got some type of Cd protections....some of my friends that went back to Taiwan for me came back with Minority Report VCD and MiB2 VCDs......we can't dupe them. They keep giving us I/O error or Sector Error messages....

But they work fine in the dvd player.

[reddragonmd]

VCDs are burned/authored in Mode 2, which allows about 70 Minutes on a 700 Meg disc, so the actual file size can be greater than 700 Meg - I've burned files of up to 815 Meg on a 700 meg (80 minute) CDr.
I think your best bet would be to create an image (.BIN, .ISO, etc.) of the source VCD, then just burn the image to your blank CDr.

how do i create an image of the VCD, when there are several folders of data that all appear important to the VCD? like i said there seems to be a music folder, vcd folder, mpgavi folder etc? how cna i grab them all to make some kinda image or convert it?

[reddragonmd]

Chances are the VCD isn't corrupt. It's got some type of Cd protections....some of my friends that went back to Taiwan for me came back with Minority Report VCD and MiB2 VCDs......we can't dupe them. They keep giving us I/O error or Sector Error messages....

But they work fine in the dvd player.

i thought you couldnt protect a VCD as you could say a DVD? so there is no way to simply copy a protected VCD?

[reddragonmd]

update:: i made a copy of a vcd here at work using "copy cd". no errors. i took it home at lunch to test it on my dvd player. it played great except for one thing. no sound??

anyone know why the sound wouldnt come over? the video was grat, but no sound.. help needed

[House de Kris]

Did you play the original on your home DVD player, and did it have sound?

[reddragonmd]

Did you play the original on your home DVD player, and did it have sound?

correct

[Akai Rounin]

The audio stream should be part of the video file. If you aren't hearing anything then that is really strange. Uhm... Have you played DVDs or VCDs on your DVD player since? Are you certain you didn't just have the amplifier turned off or set to a different source or had hit that pesky MONITOR button by mistake? Have you tried playing the copied disc on your Mac or on a PC?

I know that if you check VCDEasy 1.1.1 and look at (S)VCD | Options | Misc. there is a "Restriction Category" setting. This can be set from 0-3 and I usually leave it at zero. I am not sure if this is for copy protection or not. I always felt it was perhaps a restriction setting for parental controls or whatever.

HUN-YA!

Red Ronin

[gll99]

Just a few thoughts:

Did you select the audio track when you played it on your DVD player, maybe it's on another track?

Did you try on a PC using a vcd player.

Pull the mpeg from the copy now that you have it and play that file on your PC (home or away)

Maybe a "pressed VCD" has access to AC3 capabilities like a true DVD.
A copy may be seen as "home made" vcd and need layer I or II 44000.

This almost sounds like its a mixed format (like a Karaoke track) or something with separate sound tracks. You mentionned some extra directory tracks. Maybe you should name all of them. we've been thinking standard VCD but I think there's more to this disk.

[vitualis]

Firstly, no VCD has AC3 tracks whether it is pressed or not.

Secondly, having additional files on a VCD filesystem is perfectly normal. I do it all the time and both Nero and VCDImager can do this.

Now, as for the capacity of a VCD, I'm not sure if the original poster got it, but you can fit up to about 796 MB of video on an 80min/700MB CD-R.

Similarly, you can fit about 740 MB of video on a 74min/650MB CD-R.

There is nothing magical about this and it has been explained hundreds of times why this is so. S/VCD burn the video tracks in Mode2 Form2 sectors. You get 2324 bytes of user data per sector in this mode. There are 75 sectors per second. Do the maths and you should be able to work out the capacity of any CD-R for S/VCD WITHOUT overburning.

For comparison, CD-ROMs are burnt in Mode1 or Mode2 Form1. In both these modes, you only have 2048 bytes per sector of user data. Do the maths and you should get the 650/700MB limits often written on the CD.

If you want to copy a CD (any CD), I suggest that you try CloneCD. Unless there is something very tricky about the disc (which is very unlikely if you can read the filesystem on a PC), CloneCD will be able to copy it will few hassles.

Regards.

[Executioner]

If you got no sound, reduce the burning speed to 4x. I had the same problem while making copies of VCD's. I had perfect video but no audio. So I lowered the burn speed from 12x to 4x and it worked.

[CUBANAZO]

@reddragonmd

Just use Clone CD....with that software you can duplicate almost any type of CD....give it a try and let me know....