Ripping a DVD through a Capture Card

[FiZi]

I have a ATi Radeon 8500DV All-in-Wonder with the fancy little dongle and a JVC XV-S40 stand-alone DVD Player. I hooked up the S-Video on the DVD to the S-video in on my Radeon and tried to capture the DVD playing by using Adobe Primere 6.0b and VirtualDUB. I then tried the ATi Multimedia Center 7.7 to capture and got a image but all it did was repeat itself in a 3 frame loop. So! No luck, no matter what the video produced is just a big gree screen of nothing. I am going to assume this is some protection crap so I guess I am asking if there is a way around this. I found one for VHS tapes so there must be one for DVDs. Anyone have an idea on how I can capture this?

[Mirror_Image]

I believe that this would handle that duty, but we'll let someone else confirm that:

http://www.simacorp.com/sedcm.html

[FiZi]

Hehe, how about something I don't have to buy? A piece of software maybe? I am sure there is something out there.

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@Fizi

There may be a patch to disable macrovision for your ATI
try http:///ww.google.com to search for it

@Mirror

http://www.simacorp.com/scc.html is the unit
to use with DVD players. The other one just does layer 1 macrovision.

[yg1968]

It's cheaper to buy a DVD-ROM drive and use a program such as smartripper than to buy a DVD-VHS macrovision box.

Incidentally, what's your work around for VHS macrovision?

[SLK001]

Your problem isn't Macrovision (it doesn't look like a "green screen"). Your problem is probably a faulty capture set-up.

OOPS, UNLESS your card stops recording at the detection of Macrovision - like mine does.

[homerpez]

The "loop" is in the ATI driver - but the "patch" does NOT remove every kind of this Macrovision...

And sometimes the DVD player will trigger it at IT'S end...

Personally, I would rip the DVD to the hard drive and convert rather than capturing it anyway... MUCH better quality and results, I would think...

The Sima box would probably do some good, but I would save that for VHS tape captures - DVD is MEANT to stay digital.

Just my take.

[thxkid]

Don't let them fool ya, sure a ripped DVD looks great if you got hours to spend on it, hell I just hook up my DVD player to my Panasonic E-20 DVD Recorder, watch the movie while recording and when the movies done, got me a mirror perfect copy of that DVD, no extra time spending hours on ripping, encoding, splitting, authoring, heck in one night I can make 3 DVD backuos to maybe the one they might get done in one night.
plus better than buying a DVD-Rom drive, it would be just as cheap to buy a new DVD player that you can hack the firmware to disable the macrovsion, there are plenty of DVD players in the price range of $60 to $90 that can do this. Then capturing would be a simple task.

[yg1968]

First, I agree that your method is a hassle free solution but you need a DVD-Video recorder in order to do this.

Secondly, you can rip and copy a DVD to your hard drive in twenty minutes, play it back on your TV out and get the results that you mentionned without spending that much "extra" time.

Thirdly, going from digital to analog back to digital will not give you the best results in my opinion.

[gll99]

If you can capture a vcr or camera signal then you should be able to capture from a DVD. The only thing stopping it would be the macrovision.
The card hardware will detect it and shut down. The only 2 workarounds are: 1- If you have a DVD player with a hidden menu or one where you can apply a rom patch to disable the macrovision on the Standalone Player. 2- Find a 3rd party developper of drivers for your card that would in effect disable, ignore or not send the macrovision signal to your capture hardware. Such programs exist for PC DVD to TV-out. eg TVtools and DVDIDLE. They have demos but are not free. I don't know of any for the situation you want.

[homerpez]

FiZi: With all the confusion here, I think the bottom line is simply that if you want a good backup of a DVD, rip it. If you want an "okay" backup, capture it. It's simply that while one is GOOD, the other is BEST.

If you use a Sima box (I think some are ~$30 or so, mine was) it will probably help alleviate this Macrovision problem, but it is not the best way to backup a DVD, that's all...

In the end it's your call...

[FiZi]

Thank you all for your opinions. I will try to find a patch to disable that macrovision. I am turning the DVD into a VCD so going Digital to Analog back to Digital won't make to much of a difference, the major loss in quality will be converting to MPEG. Thank you again and I will let you know how my seach went for the patch. Oh and for the VHS Macrovision, I don't know if it still works but I used to run the VCR into my ATi All-in-Wonder Pro and play it on the desktop with ATi TV Player (The multimedia player that comes with the drives). Then enable multimonitor display and set it to output to a second VCR. Problem sovled, it records what is seen on the desktop and since its VHS you arn't losing much. I am sure that tactic still works since all it is doing is recoding your desktop and not a specific video source. Hope it helps.

[Mirror_Image]

I wish you the best of luck on finding the patch. One thing, the cheaper Sima box may not work as well with DVD macrovision, which is slightly different than the macrovision on DVDs. The slightly more expensive Sima box was made to beat that DVD macrovision.

As far as someone fantasizing that they own a stand-alone DVD recorder - likely their parent's recorder, if one is even in the house - and recommending that you do that, that's a bit like saying drive a Lexus or just walk. Full of bluster, but not very useful advice. What time is it? Buy a Patek Phillipe watch, etc etc.

[FiZi]

Ok, I found have two things so far. One told me to delete 'ATITVO32.DLL' and it would work. Not with my Radeon, guess thats for older ones only. The second was a file called 'atimacro100.zip' and it seemed to do something usefull but in the end no. It was also for older cards only. So the search continues! Anyone know of anything? or if either of those were the things one of you was talking about.

[FiZi]

Alright! I found one that works. For all of you using Radeon A-I-Ws this is the tweak you need. 'atim30s.exe' which is in 'atim30s.zip'. It will remove the problem but cause a few more. Premier 6.02b now crashes when you try to capture (I am going to try 6.5 when I get my hands on it) and VirtualDUB messes up, you get the top chopped off and put on the bottom of the video. But if you use the ATi Media Center 7.7 it works properly. The problem is I have NO idea what the little bugger did to my PC so to fix it you will have to uninstall and reinstall the drivers. Thank you all for your help! Oh and something else you might want to try instead is called 'DisableATIMacrovisionDetection.zip' that may not cause the problems the other one does, if anyone trys it and it works better let me know. I got them from:

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/articles/macrovision_graphics.html

Good luck and thank you very much!

[obiwan176]

I have a DMR-E20 as well and I'll tell you what; I used to be one of those people who would sit here at my computer for many hours converting this and that and capturing this and that trying to make things compatible with certain players and make backups of stuff. I then decided to give a real dvd recoerder a try. It is incredibly easy to use and saves tons of hours of pointless time at the computer to record stuff onto dvd. Then I purchased a dvd player that plays svcd,vcd,mp3, dvd-r and now I don't have to waste any time doing anything to my video. Simply pop it in and go and get a perfect copy everytimne with no effort. time is money.

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@FiZi.. have fun!

@ obiwan176 .. Time is more important than money & doing things the
simple way is sometimes not as much fun

[FiZi]

Alright. This is the one to use:

'DisableATIMacrovisionDetection.zip'

It works perfectly, you can capture with any software and the protection is gone and the video is proper. You can get it at the above site I posted and it works on all All-In-Wonder cards.