Star Wars Conversions-Hit me with your best shot...

[Robster]

How did you capture and encode?

LaserDisc player is a Japanese model CLD-HF9G. This is the same machine as the Elite CLD-99 but with a few extra bits of functionality. S-Video connection into the Canopus ADVC-1394 card. Capture is done using WinDV - a freeware app that is exceptionally simple to use straight to DV format stored on the hard drive.

The TMPGEnc settings I've used so far as basically what DJRumpy has just recommended above. I'm curently playing with the noise reduction and colour correction to make the image as nice as possible.

I have one small problem relating to the IRE level. The LDs are American NTSC, but the player is Japanese so it should be outputting black at IRE0, not 7.5 like an American player would do. I can set the IRE level on the Canopus card, but 0 leaves the image a big bright and 7.5 a bit dark. I'm capturing using the 0 setting and then taking the brightness level down a few points in TMPGEnc - again, something I'm experimenting with. I've also taken the red level down a little bit as LDs always seem to display reds a bit hot.

One problem with the SW LDs are the subtitles. They use the method of displaying hard-coded subs in the lower black letterboxing border. When I'm encoding, I clip the frame so that the borders on the source material are overmatted with pure black (the Clip Frame function in TMPGEnc). This makes them look better and should also help the encoding too.

I'm trying to figure out how I can create new hard-coded subs within the picture area.

[Mythos2002]

Thanks DJRumpy. I've been able to have success with the encoding trying the various settings you suggested. The problem I have now is that Sonic MyDVD won't let me do anything with my encodings.

I'm going to have to get a better authoring program as MyDVD stinks. I did a reinstall and my PC still can't locate the help files. It says they were changed. What kind of cheap software is that?

Mythos

[Robster]

Mythos - have a look at the TMPGEnc DVD Author app. It's pretty basic in terms of functionality, but it does let you create basic menus and chapter points. Seems to work OK and there's a free 30 day trial anyway. Only drawback I've found is that it can only import a single soundtrack.

You can create a basic DVD author in IFOEdit, though it doesn't work properly if you use uncompressed PCM audio.

[DJRumpy]

Off topic, but I would suggest SpruceUp. It will handle 5.1 AC3 audio, it will auto generate menu thumbnails from your source MPEG, and it's simple to use. It's no longer sold, so you'll have to search Google for it. I've been the DVDIt, and MyDVD route. This is where I ended up. I'm a no frills kinda guy though. I'm not interested in animated menu's (I rarely even use a menu). It's basic, and it works.

One gotcha. It doesn't like MP2. You must rename these to .MPA and it will then have no problem.

[Mythos2002]

Thanks for the help DJRumpy and Robster. I'll try to find SpruceUp and try out TMPEnc's DVD Author tool.

I'm going to keep plugging away at it. I still have to master IVTC. A few of the clips I went back and looked at were a little jumpy. I don't know if I ever mentioned it, but I have the NTSC versions and live in NTSC land.

I also have to check my resolution and other settings. I capture in VDub at 740x480 with Huffyuv 2.1.1 at 29.97fps with Cropping settings at 100 off of the black bar on top and 100 off the bottom black bar. I use full processing mode for both audio and video. I have to capture audio at 44100 and later convert it to 48000 because it sounds sped up and gets out of sync if I try to capture directly at 48000. Under Video Frame Rate Control: I have No Change, Process All Frames, and None(Progressive) checked. I don't have much else checked but Sync to Audio. I don't seem to have trouble with Audio and Video staying in sync.

Now for TMPEnc Plus. I have to install the latest version 2.512.52.161 as it addresses a problem I was sometimes having with encoding stopping midway and getting a memory address error. That wasn't a problem for me with 2.510..., but it was with 2.511... I usually use the wizard and start out with DVD NTSC (16:9) and VBR MPEG-1 Layer 2 Audio (MP2). On the second page, I load my capture and choose Interlace and sometimes Non-Interlace, Top Field First A (I have verified my field order is correct with the Deinterlace test from one of the guides. I turn Deinterlace off after field order verfied.), 16:9 525 (NTSC), and Video Movie. For page 3, I use Noise Reduction settings of 8, 1, 10 and high quality.

I also choose other options from page 3's menu. For Video, I leave Stream Type (MPEG-2), Size (720x480), and Aspect Ratio (16:9) locked. I leave frame rate at 29.97 fps alone for now. I then choose 2 Pass-VBR(VBR). In 2 Pass-VBR's settings, I choose the bitrates 7000 average, 8000 max and have experimented with 2500-4500 min. I have cell padding turned on and leave P and B picture spoilages defaults alone. Back on video page, I leave VBV buffer alone (224) as well as Profile (Main Profile & Main Level (MP&ML) and Video Format (NTSC). I unluck Encode Mode and have tried Interlace, Non Interlace, 3:2 pulldown during playback, and Inverse 3:2 pulldown. I then unlock frame rate and have changed it to 23.976fps (internally 29.97fps) when 3:2 pulldown during playback selected. I have also tried 24fps(internally 30fps) and 29.97fps with this setting. I have tried the same three frame rate settings (only they don't have the internally part) with the other Encode Mode settings. I switch DC Component Precision to 10 and change Motion Search Precision to High Quality (Very Slow). I don't touch the YUV setting. After that I switch to Advanced.

For Advanced, I have tried Interlaced and Non Interlaced, Top Field First (Field A), 16:9 525 line (NTSC) and Full Screen (Keep Aspect Ratio). I go into IVTC and click Auto and Start with 24fps (Flicker Prioritized) and Deinterlace (None) chosen.

I leave GOP Structure Tab alone and go to Qauntize Matrix. Under that I have tried variations of Default and MPEG Standard as well as Output YUV as Basic YCbCR not CCIR601 and No Motion Search for still picture part by pixel half checked and unchecked. I don't touch the Audio and System tabs.

I don't change anything on Page 4 of the Wizard. I end up checking over the data that corresponds with frame rate settings. My audio comes out at 48000Hz Stereo with 384 audio bitrate.

Finally, I go to page 5. Here I have had the option checked and unchecked for Output Video and Audio as individual elementary streams.

I haven't noticed it so much, but my girlfriend thinks the picture looks squished. The black bars look okay though. The main problem I have is the jumpiness.

I'm sorry this is such a long post, but can anyone see anything I have done wrong. Thanks.

Mythos

[Robster]

What are you using to process the audio? TMPGEnc is renown for lousy sound quality unless you start using third-part plugins.

Myself I strip the audio stream out with Virtual Dub (which I also use to edit the various sides of the LDs together) and then run it through BeSweet. This gives you the option of creating a Dolby Digital 2.0 version of your WAV file at 192 or higher bitrates. I think 192 is fine for stereo (I seem to remember hearing a Dolby technician say it's more than adequate for retaining the whole PCM spectrum) but you can go higher if you want. 448kbps is the highest standard Dolby Digital bitate and is used by just about all the major studios now for 5.1 encoding (not that you'll be doing that). The exception is still Warner who refuse to accept that 448 yields better results than 384. Whaterver Warner. Your snapper cases are crap too!

For my caputres I'm mainly concerned about preserving as much quality as possible, so for my eventual 'master' DVD versions I'll be spreading the movies over two discs to keep the bitrates as high as possible. If all works well, I'll also NOT encode the audio into Dolby. I'd rather keep the incompressed PCM if possible. LaserDisc PCM sounds so much better than the 2.0 tracks you get on DVDs it isnt even funny - especially considering PCM on DVD is technically better. It's all in the mixing. DVD is a mass-market consumer product. LaserDisc was for film buffs.

[DJRumpy]

The jumpiness could be one of two things that I can think of off the top of my head. It could be the field order. You can test this using the De-Interlace filter in TMPGenc. Try top field, and bottom field, and step through the video frame by frame on each setting to determine which field your capture card uses as first field. The wrong one will have a noticable jump on high-motion scenes. Once you know that setting, stick with it. The other cause of jumpiness has to do with Inverse Telecine (IVTC). If you attempt to IVTC a true interlaced film, it will cause a 'jump' in the video. These jumps tend to be evenly spaced. Another possible cause is a video, with an uncommon telecine pattern. If the IVTC filter cannot properly identify the duplicate fields in a frame, it will sometimes simply chop one out to meet the 23.976 framerate. This can also cause a jump. I have only heard good things about the IVTC filter in TMPGenc. Ensure your video is telecined ( www.lukesvideo.com ), rather than interlaced. Also try to determine the correct field order.

[Mythos2002]

Thanks for the information Robster. I'll have to try BeSweet out. I'll check out the guides for capturing the audio separately.

Thanks DJRumpy. I think my LD's are interlaced because I checked the pattern in Virtualdub and it is 3 progressive frames and then 2 interlaced frames. I've been doing some reading on Luke's and found some good information. It's funny that they recommend VirtualDub's IVTC over TMPEnc's. I also thought it would be the opposite. I may try to do a manual pattern. I don't have permanent captures yet, so I'm going to make sure I don't have any dropped frames. I don't remember seeing any when I used Huffyuv 2.1.1. I've also verified that my field order is correct by using TMPEnc's Deinterlace filter to check it. I deselect that filter after I verify I have the right field order. The jumpiness isn't that bad. I may be trying to be too much of a perfectionist I just want DVD's that look and sound at least as good as the LD's regardless if I play them on my PC or TV.

Mythos

[vhelp]

@ mythos..

I think that you have pretty much two choices in your case, cause you say
that you still have issues w/ those Interlaced-only scenes (I'm assuming
that these are BLUE-SCREEN scenes)

When you are at a point (any point for that matter) in your encoding or
editing and you have successfully verifitied that the source (as it should be)
is Telecined a.k.a Film) and you notice that the pattern is pretty much the
tipicle 3,2 pattern (though, I would make sure, by scanning for a few min.
of the source) AND, then you come to a BLUE-SCREEN scene, where
(well.. where.. ) you would encounter 2,2 or similar ie, 2 progressive and
2 Interlace, THESE are those parts that, when you IVTC, and inside your
IVTC process, as it processes the source, when it comes to these 2,2
pattern, it will be trying to IVTC even those 2,2 patterns.. hence your jitter
issues. Because the wrong operation or pattern decoding was performed,
and the IVTC sort of breaks out of sequence. When this happens, your source
could be encoding w/ the wrong pattern throughout the remaining project
or end up blending the frames or gosh-knows what these IVTC filters do
when then hit an obsticle.

So, I say, your second choice (depending on your fetigue level) is to just
encode w/ out IVTC, and just do a straight 29.970 encode instead. This
can be done in two way..

Steps A
---------
* In TMPG, Advanced/TAB../..Video Source Type: select your Interlace,
then under the Video Tab../Encode Mode: select Inverse 3:2 Pulldown
This has worked for me when I ran up again those same walls. Only, you
have to raise your bitrate some. But, if you are doing DVDR's anyways,
then you should be fine (I think)

or..,

Steps B
---------
* capture at 29.970 fps and in your encoding, raise the bitrate higher than
... 4000 or so, so that you can make up for the difference w/ those Interlaced
... lines that will surely give you artifacts (blocks)
* wotherwise, there are other ways maybe ??

Either one of these two processes (steps) would be done w/ 29.970 fps as
your final rate.

-vhelp

[DJRumpy]

One other thing you might try, would be to use the "Inverse 3:2 Pulldown" setting in TMPGenc. According to the docs, this setting is better for a mixed IVTC/Interlaced/Non-Standard IVTC pattern, as it will treat all frames as interlaced. It says it will attempt to inverse telecine if possible. This setting should be as close to a hybrid setting as you can get with TMPGenc. If the docs read right, it sounds like the best setting for a mixed mode video like the Star Wars LD. Your output should be 29.97 fps. This setting is on the Video tab: Encode Mode. Set your Frame Rate to 29.97 fps.

Thanks DJRumpy. I think my LD's are interlaced because I checked the pattern in Virtualdub and it is 3 progressive frames and then 2 interlaced frames.

vhelp is correct. You should refer to this type of film as Telecined, and not interlaced. Although some of the frames are interlaced, the movie itself is not a true interlaced source if it uses progressive frames (the 3:2 pattern you noted). Give the Inverse Telecine setting a try. I'd be curious to see how well this handles a mixed source. You can always use the VDub filter as well. It was the first IVTC filter I used as well. It does a decent job.

[gNOMEintheRedHat]

oops!

[lrosado]

My suggestion is to order the five star dvd collection of the trilogy(Laser Disc Transfers) on the net, I got fed up trying to capture and keep same quality and when I compare it to the DVD you can get on the web it is well worth just paying $29 for the DVD's. It comes with subtitles 5.1 DD and DTS. Do a search. DVD Quality, At least the copies I have are.

[Robster]

I have the so-called 'five star' versions and while they're pretty good they are not without problems.

Video quality is generally OK - certainly about equal to the LaserDiscs they were sourced from. Colours seem a bit flat though and Jedi is the worst looking of the three, for whatever reason.

However the audio is not so good. The 5.1 tracks are not the true 5.1 tracks from the LDs, but rather 'fake' ones derived from the stereo tracks. Take a listen to the Dolby title logos at the start - the 'Canyon' one should have a drumbeat panning across the rear soundstage, but on these copies it doesn't move. The 5.1 track on Empire has serious problems and fluctuates in level to the point where it's unusable. Also, the DTS tracks are the exact same sound source fed through a DTS encoder, so don't expect any increase in quality.

That said, the ProLogic stereo tracks do sound very nice indeed - and they're in-sync! I was never a fan of the 5.1 remixes for these films. I've always favoured the stereo mixes because they sound less 'false' to my ears so I'm not too bothered. The really nice thing about these copies is that they're dual-layered discs, which means they've been stamped rather than burned.

[energy80s]

Are these "5 Star" versions the original films or the enhanced remakes?

[borghe]

I will throw my hat into the ring on this. I just started (last night) this conversion process.

Hardware:

AthlonXP 2600+ 166Mhz
1GB Dual Channel DDR333
200GB Western Digital Special Edition
Asus A7N8X Deluxe with onboard firewire
Sony DCR-TRV330 Digital 8 AV-passthru
Pioneer Elite CLD-79

For software I have Premiere6.5 which I am very proficient in, and also VirtualSub and TMPEGEnc which I can both get around in fairly well.. For authoring I have access to Sonic Scenarist at work.

My goal:

To capture and encode copies of The Definitive Collection on DVD. I would like 16:9 progressive video. I realize the "increased resolution" will just be interpolated, but I am confident that among all of these software programs they can do a better job with the interpolation than my Mits 55819 can in expand mode. My progressive player (Panny RP56) handles film sources beautifully and being that the video is stored on the LD at 24fps, I would like to either retain that or be able to convert back to that. I will clip the huttetese subtitles in the letterboxing and insert them on an English subtitle track which is forced on during the Greedo and Jabba scenes. Finally, I am fine with encoding the audio as Dolby 2.0 at 192Kbps.. hey, that's what it was originally anyway... that's the easy part

Observations:

After reading through the thread here is some stuff I have come up with. First, there is certainly a difference between composite and s-video on the LD player. At some point along the way a composite signal must be Y/C separated and extract RGB from the C signal. Y/C separation is done through the comb filter. In my instance, the Pioneer Elite players have outstanding comb filters giving me a significantly improved picture over a composite signal.

As far as framerates, the movie is most definitely encoded to the laserdisc at 24fps. This is evident just by watching my capture frame counter and my players frame counter in CAV mode. Both start out at 0, and by the end of a single side my player will be around 40,000 and my capture program will be around 55,000. So the question is where does the 3:2 pulldown happen on the laserdiscs? Obviously it happens before the video is sent out. Out of curiousity, I wonder what would happen if you captured the NTSC video at 24fps... hmm..

Situation so far:

I have captured all of disc 1 through premiere. I captured to 720x480 interlaced using DVSoft codec (bleh to MS) with 48Khz audio. I have DNR enabled on my camera and the defaults on the player (couldn't tell you what they are off hand). I am happy with the existing video as it displays on my computer. Now my question is, after I finish the rest of the movie, what's next? I know I will need to crop 100% of the letterboxing and then add in the black to pad the 2.35:1 ratio to a 1.78:1 image at 720x480, and I think I have found enough in this thread to know how to do that with Virtual Dub and TMPEG. So I guess the only question left for now is IVTC. Has there been a concensus as to if this improves the quality and if so how to do it? Remember that my target is a 480p player so the video isn't going to an interlaced display.

The route I was going to go was take my video clips, trim and combine them, run IVTC, decomb them, and encode them to MPEG2 at 23.97fps for display at 29.97fps. Audio will be ripped to WAV and encoded to AC-3 2.0 192Kbps. The few lines of subtitles will be added using Scenarist as forced English subtitles. Finally a menu to fascilitate scene selection and adding chapter stops.

Does this sound good? I doubt I will be working on it tonight much, maybe just finishing the capturing, but over the four day weekend I plan on putting some serious time into it. My goal is to have the process perfected and at least one, preferably two or even three, done by Monday night.

[Robster]

Are these "5 Star" versions the original films or the enhanced remakes?

They're the 'Special Edition' versions, released in 1997 with the additional bits, reworked soundtracks and new special effects.

[lrosado]

Well some of those copies out there are not the same. I have a friend that ordered one from somewhere and the copies are not that great and has problems with sound as you indicated. I have not noticed any of that on my reciever and all three copies are equally as clear. Like you said laserdisk quality but it looks better than VHS captures.

[vhelp]

@ DJRumpy,

I can say quite safely, that TMPG's

* Video/Encode Mode: [Inverse 3:2 pulldown]

..is as smooth as you can get - - weather the source is 29.970 or a mix
of Telecine and Interlace etc.

You also have to factor into your equazion your capture device too.
Some of these devices don't capture exactly the same, and some even
use different algorithem's in their final output. ie, frame vs. field,
interpolating vs. progressive and so on and so forth. These are just some
of the issues a person has to factor in thier process. Just because one
person is using a WinTV GO card and getting great results don't necessarily
mean that the other person w/ an Xcard will experience the same. Than,
you have to also factor in each persons' level of skill/knowledge. And, then
the mixure gets even more interesting when you talk about the actual
player that is playing he LD or VHS, and so on and so forth.. .. .. Anyways..

But, I'm glad that this thread is here. It helps us ALL out in our video endeavors

-vhelp

[txpharoah]

Best conversion? How about the 1978 Holiday Special direct from a 1978 VHS SP-mode tape I recorded myself, restored to perfect quality DVD and even has Dolby 5.1 audio? Yes, plot-wise, the movie stinks, but quality-wise, my own time-shifted recording will make any bootleg pale in comparison.

[DJRumpy]

Thanks vhelp. I don't use TMPGenc for this, but the docs were fairly clear that this might be the option of choice, considering the source, and the mixed type of input.

txpharoah, I hate to agree (and I'm ashamed to admit), that the best I've gotten so far, is a VCD rip from LD. It was of course, deinterlaced in the process (reduce by 2). The quality is still better than anything I've found on the net, or gotten from my own VHS tapes (my vcr is older than dirt, and barely a step above a top loader). I'm guessing yours were in much better condition than mine.

[borghe]

Status so far:

I have gotten decent results with the following. VirtualDub does Telecide, crop, resize. I framserve that feed into TMPEG which does the Inverse 3:2 and encodes. My results are "good". What I would really lov eis framserve to MainConcept, but here's my question: Does anyone know a way to do inverse 3:2 with VirtualDub as a filter? Doing it inside the framrate dialog won't pass on to the framserver. The only thing I could find is Decimate but that only generates a script for AVISynth. Or if anyone was so inclined, could you come up witha quick AVISynth script? Here is what I need:

process frames 898-50171
inverse telecine (deinterlace, inverse 3:2 pulldown)
crop the top 104 pixels and the bottom 104 pixels
resize the image to 720x360
frame the image to 720x480

If I can do that all inside of the framserver then I can send it right to main concept. the way it is, I do all of those in the frameserver but have to do the inverse 3:2 pulldown inside TMPEG, and main concept as far as I have seen can't do that.

Any help is appreciated. Things are looking good, I just want them to look better.

My current progress can be seen here:
Shot 1
Shot 2
Shot 3

[borghe]

Nevermind on the avisynth script. here is what I am now using:

LoadPlugin("Decomb.dll")
AVISource("swotep4s1.avi")
Trim(898,50171) # changes for each capture file
Telecide(guide=0)
Decimate(cycle=5)
LanczosResize(720,360,0,101,720,276) # y offset for cropping may change by a pixel or two from side to side
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)

I am encoding now with MainConcept MPEG Encoder. Will compare my results.

[zhnujm]

you can try following, but im not experienced with ivtc:

(you need the decomb plugin)

Trim(898,50171)
Crop(0,104,0,-104)
Telecide()
Decimate(cycle=5)
BicubicResize(720,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)


also have a look at my captures:

ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic1.png
ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic2.png
ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic3.png
ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic4.png
ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic5.png
ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/pic6.png

i have to wait until i can capture it at pay-tv to get rid of the logo but i think the quality will be good (including ac3).

[zhnujm]

im to slow...

[Mythos2002]

Those pictures look great. I'm still having a good deal of trouble. If I IVTC in Virtual Dub, the picture is fine and there is no jerkiness. But after I encode with TMPEnc, the jerkiness is there again. I'm not sure what is going on.

My captures and encodings look about like borghe's. I would love them to look as good as zhnujm's. Zhnujm: Are you doing the Original or Special Editions?

Thanks.
Mulder

[vhelp]

@ zhnujm, and hello all..

>> i have to wait until i can capture it at pay-tv to get rid of the logo but i
>> think the quality will be good (including ac3).

..Logos ??

What is this pay-tv buisness. Nobody (cable or satellite) that I know of is
showing Star Wars (episodes now known as 4, 5 and 6) in Letterbox format.

Everyone shows them in Fullcrap (I mean, Fullscreen) format !!
-vhelp

[zhnujm]

Sorry, i dont think it will be useful for you. Its a dvb capture from a german free-tv channel. They are always shown in letterbox format here, i have never seen them in fullscreen.
The sad thing is that just a few weeks before i got my dvb card (must be a year now) all 3 movies were shown on a pay-tv channel including english soundtrack, credits and so on and even in 16:9 format !
I think i just have to wait, they will send them again, they HAVE to send them again. And its the Special Edition.

[borghe]

ahh.. I don't feel so bad then.. what is a dvb card?

mine are from the Definitive Collection discs... I was curious as to what the special edition rips would look like. I have those on laser also, but wanted to do the original theatricals as those are probably the ones we WON'T see on DVD eventually.. I wonder if ripping the Sepcial Edition would give me a much better picture (been so long since I A/Bed the two versions).

Mythos - if you have it completely IVTCed before going to TMPEG, make sure you set all of your framerates in TMPEG at 23.97, and you set 3:2 for playback under encoding (not interlaced). Your framerate should then say something like "23.97 effective rate 29.97" or something like that (mine is running right now so I can't check). If all of that is correct and it's still jerky, then it is coming from the IVTC process. I stopped using VirtualDub for frameserving this because I could only do the deinterlacing in vdub before all of my cropping and resizing and I would have to do the actually pulldown in TMPEG afterwards. this meant I was altering the frame before finishing the IVTC. So instead I went to avisynth which now lets me completely IVTC the frame before doing any cropping or resizing. On the down side I end up with kind of weird dot crawl at times with using decomb. On the upside I have virtually no interlace artifacts and smooth play.

Does anyone know how to get rid of the dot crawl? I post a picture as soon as it's done encoding.

[zhnujm]

ahh.. I don't feel so bad then.. what is a dvb card?

You can directly save the mpeg-2 stream from digital tv with a dvb-card.
Depending on the channel you can get good quality with it, but its not always good, look at the compression artefacts in th R2D2 picture.

[vhelp]

Maybe you all need to factor this into your video headackes, so listen up
before you continue going crazy to no end..

I would just like to add, that w/ blue screen mixture type videos, when
the studios do their processing of "normal" video w/ a mixture of all those
"blue screen" and depending upon WHEN and HOW they intermix these two types
together DURING the telecining process, when you go check out the frame rate
and noticed that it's 23.976 (film) all the way through, and you noticed it
has ben Telecined to 29.970 (adding in those extra frame every ie, 3,2
pattern) there is NO MISTAKE that this IS true Film speed ie, 23.976 (or 24fps) !!
NOW, the trick or confusing part that everyone seems to fall prey too, is
that WHEN you capture this footage, and w/ your usual 29.970, you have
captured it correctly. BUT, as soon as you go and APPLY the IVTC process,
THAT's when you MESS up the smooth and fluid motion of the video during
those "blue screen" scenes. Yes, remember above, that when the studios had
performed the Telecining process ALL the combined videos, "normal" and
"blue screen" were PROPERLY mixed together w/ the correct smooth frame rate !!
IT's only when we IVTC this, (or undo it) that we mess up the TRUE speed
or smooth/fluidness of the video. That's why so many people have problems
w/ getting it fluid throughout the encoding process. That's why people
have the missunderstanding of why it's no longer smooth, and why isn't it,
and why I (you) just don't understand why, and why, and why and why.. ..
It's a timing thing. Mess up their correct timing (during your IVTC) and
you no longer have fluid video. Now, some video ie, Star Trek Enterprise,
have fluid video even after you performed an IVTC. WHY ?? Well, becuase
those so called blue screen are NOT blue screen, but rather ACTUALL computer
consoles, ie, people actually write Apple software to display those console
screen you see, all over those "smooth" panning shots. Voyager did the
same thing at some point. But, I'm not sure it DS9 did, cause i've never
seen or tried my hand at those.

I hope that NOW, you all understand the issue w/ blue screen scenes. Depending
on HOW the studios process their mixure of videos, when you finall capture
and IVTC (while encoding) the final video, you have or have no issues.

-vhelp