VCD burning and Media

[Housy]

what is the best CDR / CDRW media for burning VCD disks with Nero, I am having problems with lines and blotches on playback once copied to CD

I have tried Verbatim CDRW's, The good old Jungle 'monkey media' (Memorex) and Maxell CDR's. Can you guys recommend a brand you have had success with?

[MaDmiZe]

Certain players (stand alone) only like certain brands, check the DVD Compatibility list at left for your model and see if anyone has addressed this.
That being said: I have used fuji, memorex, and off brand hypermedia and never had a probem with viewing.... most stand alones are less tolerable of errors and trash on discs.... and most quality issues originate from the source material and are either cleared up (somewhat) or multiplied during encoding.

[Housy]

Sorry hould have said, this is playing back on my computer! Thanks for your help.

The file is sampled under ATI capture from a VHS video tape. Anybody recommend a brand they have a lot of success with?

[KingJohn]

May not be the brand at all, I use Maxell all the time, have done for many years, they play well on at leased 8 DVD players which are all different makes.

So you are playing them back on your internal DVD player, Why ? do you have a stand alone DVD player ?. If they are just for your own play back, might as will just copy the AVI onto a CDR.

If you copy the dat file back to your computer and play it, is the problem still there ?. What do you play the disk with, have you tried Windows Media Player on the dat file ?

[Housy]

I have DVD on both internal in compuer and external standalone DVD, problem occurs with both. The AVI file is too large, so no good copying straight to CDR. The problem is still there when the file is copied back to HDD from CDR/W. The Dat file is played on PowerDVD (Cyberlink), ATI file player and yes I have just tried Windows Media player 7.01 and the problem still exists. Think it is media or writer or Nero. I even have the problem with Maxell branded CD's!

Thanks very much for your help on this 8) 8)

[KingJohn]

So the problem could be the original conversion. Did you use TMPGEnc to convert from AVI to Mpeg, and loaded a VCD template, without loading the template the mpeg could be non standard.

Also you need to make sure TMPGEnc DirectShow filers are set at a higher priority, this can also mess up the output.

Select options > environmental settings
click the VFAPI plug-in tab
right click the "DirectDraw" and select higher priority, do this several times until its at the top with a value of 4

Nero is no good at all for conversion.

[Housy]

Wicked, thanks for your help. My ATI Radeon card encodes directly to Mpeg and now it is standard based (since upgrading).

I have worked it out this evening. My CDRW is knackered, tried a different one (same brand) and it works fine. I will send two sample disks to manufacturer explaining the problems. Even though the CDRW burns fine there is a huge difference in playback using the same MPEG file on two different writers in the same machine. Have a feeling I will have trouble explaining this to retailer/manufacturer so hopefully the sample disks will help.

Thanks for being so helpful!


Housy

[Housy]

PS I have just checked out your Website, looks useful.

[KingJohn]

Yes its getting quite famous, so much so I think I should register the domain

[fofito]

I think I have a similar problem. even though my conversion turns out great, once it's burned and I play the final product in DVD, I notice a audio/video getting out of sync for a few seconds and them going back to normal, this can happen 3 to 4 times during the movie. Can anyone out there help? thanks

[KingJohn]

fofito

This could need a completely different approach, first I assume when you made the VCD mpeg, you used TMPGEnc and loaded a VCD template, if you did not load a template then you could have made a non compliant mpeg, which may cause your DVD player to give problems.

Assuming you did make the VCD compliant, you may have burned the VCD onto a CD-R that your DVD player is not good with, so need to use a better quality CD

Finally, sometimes you need to save out the audio in Vdub, to be used later with TMPGEnc
Audio > full processing mode
Audio > Conversion > 44.1Khz
SAVE WAV

TMPGEnc
Browse > AVI
Browse > WAV
Load VCD template
Start

[johnl]

Why are you caputuring a vcd to an .avi file? The required type is mpeg 1 for a vcd.
If you have the ati all in wonder radeon, dude, you've got the best tool in the world! Go to ATI's website and download the latest version of the multimedia center if needed, the current version is mmc 7.6 . Not only does it have a preset capture setting for dvd, it also will make a compliant vcd just by clicking on the vcd setting before you start to capture. When done capturing, just burn it as a vcd with Nero.
When you open ati's tv (capture) go to the setting and simply choose 'vcd' , capture and burn to your hearts delight. No converting, no problems, just capture and burn. I do it daily with programs from satellite. It will play flawlessly. One thing I'm a stickler about, although I have a fast cdr burner, I never burn at over 8x when making a vcd. Since I stick to this speed, my choppy pictures have disappeared.

[KingJohn]

As much as I would like to believe the ATI card is the best, there are so many posts on this forum with problems with it. You cannot expect it to work flawlessly on a large amount of varied computers.

If the mpeg was captured with bad frames, and immediate put on a VCD, chances are the DVD player would skip... Not on all DVD players but some do.

How someone captures, is down to the individual computer, also stated above

Wicked, thanks for your help. My ATI Radeon card encodes directly to Mpeg and now it is standard based (since upgrading).

So not everyone captures to AVI, and not everyone wants to capture direct to mpeg1. Im glad you dont have problems, but sorry to say there are people who do.

[Housy]

i would agree, I have had no end of problems with my ATI Radeon and have only just got it sorted. ATI also claimed to be encoding to Mpeg but it was not to the correct standard, until recently! I understand that Pinnacle do a much better Video Caputure product?

[Housy]

'Johnl' other thing is there are two seporate threads here, I am not sure if 'fofito' is using the ATI Radeon AIW card?

[KingJohn]

You can now add your computer details to your profile

[fofito]

thank you for your response, but I still have the same problem. I've been told that I need to update my DVD firmware, does that sound right?

[fofito]

Kingjohn !!

sorry did not finish message !!. I've done all that's been suggested.to no avail !!

[KingJohn]

Kingjohn !!

sorry did not finish message !!. I've done all that's been suggested.to no avail !!

Lost track here have you tried a diffrent brand of CD-R ?
Update the firmware ? well if you can do that, then great. Most people can't

[fofito]

KingJohn :

thanks for responding; I've tried different brand of CD-R ( memorex), also tried CD-RW and still have the same problem. After burninig , it plays OK! in the computer, but when I play it in my DVD (GE-5803P) , the video/sound gets out of sync. a times I can tell the video runs at a faster speed for a few seconds !!! some one told me to update my dvd firmware, I don't think I wanna to do that, any other suggestions? THANKS

[KingJohn]

Hi

Hope I don't re post the same thing, I'm not reading all that again

Ok, assuming your DVD player will play the VCD's without a firmware upgrade.

Look at the way you make the VCD's, first of all it is very important to make sure the mpeg movie is fully compliant, this is made easy with TMPGEnc, all you do is load a VCD template.

VCD templates are either PAL or NTSC, when you load this template, it sets up the output file to be a fully compliant mpeg1 stream. At this stage you should not alter anything, if you do then chances are you will have problems.

Once the mpeg1 has been produced, then its just a matter of burning it on a good quality disk. Some DVD players like my own will play anything you throw at it no matter how cheap and nasty the CD-R is, it will play it. Other players must have the right one.

I have seen posts saying 2 brands have been tried and have not worked, but have advised to try 4,5,6 brands just to see if there is one that finally works.

Burning speed is not normally important, I can burn at 40X with no problems with the quality, but this is not the same for everyone. Some people burn at 4X before the VCD will play on there player.

Having tried all trials and experiments, you may find your DVD player will not play the disks you make, some people have reported CDR-W work well, its never the same for everyone.

1, Fully compliant VCD
2, Type of CDR/CDR-W
3, Burning speed
4, program used to make VCD (Sometimes you need to use something else)

In the case of Nero, make sure that fully compliant is switched on and CD-I is switched off, you don't need anything on there for a PC or Interactive.

Playing the DVD, is there anything you can switch on/off some DVD players have filters that can be switch on...