CCE vs TMPGEnc

[AmeliaK]

I am pretty impressed with the current breed of TMPGEnc as compared to 12a. Since TMPGEnc has changed so much since its early days, how does it compare to CCE lite and CCE pro. I guess when I ask the question I am talking more in reference to SVCD rather than VCD.

Best Regards
Amelia

[Martyn1980]

Oh No,
and it starts again

CCE Fast look really nice
Tmpeg cheap slow can look as nice, but harder to get

this is all im saying

[Mirror_Image]

Yes, let's beat this dead horse again...and again...and again...

[AmeliaK]

Hey I am not trying to "beat this dead horse again", just trying to work out what's going to give me the best results

I guess the question I should have asked was:
Is the Price difference comparable to the Encoding Difference?

Regards
Amelia

[mol3000]

i want to no to so when i start my avi to dvd conversions...... i heard different storys also .....

[EricB]

I think what everyone is saying, is this topic tends to trigger endless debates. It is so easy to try each one, and each has it's own advantages and disadvantages, you are better off trying both and deciding for yourself!

[AmeliaK]

I think what everyone is saying, is this topic tends to trigger endless debates. It is so easy to try each one, and each has it's own advantages and disadvantages, you are better off trying both and deciding for yourself!

I know what they are saying and if they didn't want to comment they didn't have too. Its really not that hard. As far as trying it myself of course I am trying out for my self. I just spend 3 hours today trying CCE out on MiniDV. But this is a forum board and this is what its intended for debate and discussion.

Seriously posts like Mirror_Image only proves the person hasn't got anything intelligent to say, so the post about nothing. If I am not interested in a post, I simply move onto something I am interested in.

I honestly can't believe how many smart A***s are on the board now. Seriously guy think before you post.

Regards
Amelia

[Nelson37]

Amelia, if your question is "is CCE over $2000.00 better than TMPGenc?", such a query has no provable answer, only opinion. If you are asking "is CCE worth the trouble to find and learn to use it?", again the answer is not provable, only opinion.

The general consensus among those who have spent many, many hours testing is that CCE 3, 4, or 5-pass VBR is best for SVCD, IF the bitrate is around 1500 or higher. Below that, or for VCD, TMPGenc does a better job. Some will disagree with this, I believe most will agree.

Performing a forum search would have disclosed these opinions to you, which have been discussed and dissected SEVERAL times. It's a somewhat pointless debate, akin to trying to convince someone that pecan pie is better than blueberry. It also reminds me of the ancient Greeks who DEBATED, for several days, how many teeth there were in a horse's mouth, without ever looking at a horse.

[EricB]

AmeliaK,

Sorry for my apparently meaningless answer to your question. I had no intention of being another A***s.

Your original post did not make it sound like you were actively testing both products. Maybe you could add to the quality of this forum by indicating what your own results are.

[zizou108]

There are previous very vigorous debates on this topic on this forum: search for them - you'll find some useful opnions in there.

I agree with a post in one of those threads: I think TMPGEnc results in better, more saturated colors, while CCE results in fewer artifacts (less blockiness). It is subjective as to which look you prefer. I prefer TMPGEnc.

BTW, I think this is a trade-off issue: I think TMPGEnc's better colors are a result of less "speckle" or "noise". Adding some "noise" to the video is a trick for getting rid of visible blockiness (e.g., in solid-color areas), but it also reduces the color impact. I think CCE has algorithms for reducing blockiness that involve addig some "noise", which results in colors getting desaturated.

My opinion

zizou108

[jmproductions]

CCE is FAST good results but it's a pain if you have to resize or change frame rate!

[zizou108]

CCE is FAST good results but it's a pain if you have to resize or change frame rate!

Very true - tho' AviSynth can do these things, and CCE 2.5 reads AviSynth scripts very nicely. But you need to learn to write AviSynth scripts It is not so tough, but it is not to some folks' taste.

zizou

[susie]

Hi all , I am a newbie and wondering if CCE can run as a standalone program like TMPGEnc ?

[mpb]

I have used both.

CCE is my encoder of choice for the Big Deal jobs. I will be using CCE when I put the SW Definitive Collection from laser to DVD. It's fast, and it does a very professional job.

TMPGenc, a standalone tool if there ever was one, is very elegant and powerful. 99% of the time it is my encoder du jour. For ANY job involving broadcast NTSC/PAL material or material that originated on VHS/SVHS/8/Hi8, TMPGenc's quality and power are more than sufficient, so there's no need to use anything else.

For laserdisc and DVD sourced material, and that's assuming I need to re-encode the DVD for whatever reason (space, etc)... and ONLY if the job is a serious big deal, then CCE gets the call. Also for HDTV "caps" I'd guess.

For a person doing any kind of personal encoding, just use TMPGenc, honestly. CCE is bloatware in your context.

[AmeliaK]

AmeliaK,
Sorry for my apparently meaningless answer to your question. I had no intention of being another A***s.

Hi EricB,

I had a read of your post and it triggered a reaction about the other post I mentioned. It was in no way intended at you. I do appologise if it was taken that way. Please beleive me when I say I didn't see your post as meaningless.

OK now back to the actual topic

zizou108
I think you are 100% on the money as far as fewer artifacts & less blockiness with CCE in MPEG2 streams. Mind you I did a VCD and the results were far better in TMPGEnc.

jmproductions
Resizing is a real issue. I wanted to encode a PAL MiniDV project to SVCD and it wouldn't allow me to select SVCD. The reason . . . . . as per CCE documentation Super Video CD can be selected only if the width of the video is 480. This is a real pain. I can't understand why it happily resizes to VCD but not SVCD.

My personal opinion so far is you are going to pay heaps more for a product that produces a slightly better MPEG2 stream.

Best Regards
Amelia

[offline]

CCE is the industry's gold standard for mpeg-2 and it deserves the
title if not the retail price. Sure, it is poor for multiplexing, handling
audio, frame resizing, non standard framerates, etc. but this is what avisynth and other tools are for. With a quality source, CCE produces
a superior output to all other sources (inc. hardware.) This can
be further enhanced by the manual adjustment of the bitrate after
a single multipass pass (a feature few use and even realise exists!)

Tmpeg will handle just about anything you can throw at it; non standard
and varying framerates, non standard frame sizes, noisy video and
broadcast dv as well as compressed sources of all creeds and colors.
Tmpeg wipes the floor with mpeg-1, does a decent job of mpeg-2 and
can (if you need to) do a fair job of encoding video and audio from
start to finish without the need for other tools.

I'd hate to do without either of them... in fact I could'nt.

[Mirror_Image]

I think what everyone is saying, is this topic tends to trigger endless debates. It is so easy to try each one, and each has it's own advantages and disadvantages, you are better off trying both and deciding for yourself!

That is exactly right. Trust your own stopwatch, your own eyes, and your own common sense with regards to video quality and value per unit of money.