Pioneer 104 how long does it take to backup original to DVDR

[LoneTango]

Thanks for helping me on this. I am thinking about get this Pioneer 104 DVD burner and would like to know if anyone here done a backup of the original movie. How long did it take for you to burn a 2hr movie into DVDR? Many thanks for helping me out.

[resnullius]

should take aroud 70 mins or so 1x is 130 minutes(that's the amount of video you can fit at a constant bitrate of 4.5 if i remember correctly) since it's dvdr it can burn at 2x so half 130 mins...

[pacoreguenga]

No, let me tell you that's not an accurate answer.

The time it takes to actually burn a full 4.7 Gb DVD-R on a 103 or 104 is about 50 minutes. If you use Pioneer media it can take half of that, but that depends on your system's overall performance. Mine is a very powerful system, and I use it everyday for professional DVD authoring. I do it for a living, so please believe me about it.
Now the time required to backup ao original dvd movie is longer than that.
If you start with a movie recorded on a DVD 5, (single layer, single sided) it already is about 4.7 Gb or less. In that case, you have to rip it to your harddrive (with a DVD ripping program) which takes about an hour, and burn it again with Nero 5.5.8.0 or whatever you like. That will take 50 minutes.
That is, if you are REALLY lucky.
Because many times this is not as easy as it sounds. Because of copyright matters the movie has been encoded in a way that once the movie is ripped it becomes unplayable as is. So you have to extract the mpeg video and ac3 audio, put them all togheter on a dvd authoring application, and burn it again, which will take another 4 hours if you are fast enough. But again, that is not always possible.
Because commercial DVDs are often mastered for DVD 9 media (double layer, single sided), and they use the whole 9 Gb for every type of stuff. Mainly, higher picture quality.
In that case, you have to rip the whole dvd, demux the mpeg and ac3 streams, reencode mpeg video to a lower bitrate, extract the menus, create subpictures for the buttons, extract the subtitles and convert them to bmp (one for each page) and have them listed with timecode position, and calculate well your bitrate in order for it to fit in a standard dvdr. Than author the whole thing and burn it again.

How long it takes to do that? Well, Believe me. It can take as little as a week, or as longer as you need, specially if you are not dedicated to it 24 hrs a day.

[Martyn1980]

i know nothing of DVD burning as i do not have one.

But i dont agree with some of the things you say, your system is average nowadays, im unhappy with mine and i'd say mine is more powerful.

when does a single sided single layer DVD take 1 hour to rip to your hard drive, if your lucky, i recently ripped The Jet Li film Kiss of the Dragon in 8 minutes, and thats on a £45 unbranded DVDrom, even my old 8x would do most films in about 20 minutes.

So even though i dont own a DVD Burner, im kinda wondering how you can say you can burn a DVD so quickly but rip it so slowly

[resnullius]

Let's not confuse terminoligy here he asked burn well to burn a full 4.7 gig should take about an hour u say 50 mins i wont disagree. But as to ripping and compression that can take quite alot longer

[haymes]

I have the 104, ripped a movie that was about 90 min. It took 45 min. This was with a 1x cdrw. I don't like the software we have to work with. It comes with a good version of nero, but the sonic dvd stinks and doesn't see my capture card. I think that is our stumbling block with these things, the software. Also, encryption is a problems with some disks no matter what ripping software we use.

[venux]

most DVDs can be ripped only with 2x Speed with a DVD-Rom (only a few can be ripped faster). So if your movie is about 120min (~4,5 to 5GB) this takes about 30mins.
If you have to remove sound (because your rip does not fit on 4,3 GB) this takes about another 30 mins (the speed of the harddrive counts here most). If you have a Raid0, it takes only 20mins).
If it still does not fit on 4,3 GB (movie>120 mins) you have to reencode it and this really takes a while (depending on the CPU, 8-24 hours).
burning ... 2x - 30mins, 1x - 60mins ...

[Martyn1980]

What DVD can only be ripped at 2x, i have never had a DVD only rip at 2x, even when i was using a 8x DVD-Rom, it started at 1x and moved up to nearly 5x, and most 90min films only took 20min, now im using a much cheaper and lower quality DVD-Rom but it is faster and at one point i saw it hit 13X, 8 mins for the whole disc including sound and subtitles and menus and trailers, and this has since been encoded and watched, so i know the rip was fine.

Can you name the films that only take 2x so i can try them, and are they Pal or NTSC DVD's

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[RealaT]

I'm going to have to back up Martyn1980 here about DVD ripping.

I have an LG 16x DVD-ROM drive and my rip speeds for every DVD (I've done about 50 or so) have started at about 3.5x and ended at 7x by the end of the movie. Usually takes about 15 minutes.

[Martyn1980]

thank you RealaT, ripping dvd's has always been a joy for me and it still amazes me i can rip something so high quality so quickly.

i just ripped The Order in 10minutes 23 seconds and the dvd hit 9x at one point, and that is a new release, although i kinda wish i hadn't as the film looks kinda crap.

How about a list of these 2x films, and what DVD-Rom are you using

[resnullius]

I'm guessing ppl who rip so slow is because they have their dvd-rom on the same ide as the hard disk you are saving to

[MustISO]

The other thing that makes a HUGE difference is enabling DMA for the DVD-ROM drive. With DMA off my 12X rips at 2.5-2.8. With DMA on it rips at 3.6x-7.2x. Much much better.

[Martyn1980]

Thats probably it.

I have DMA enabled and my hard drive is on its own and my DVD is the master and my CD Writer is the slave, can you guys give that a try if its not enabled.

[venux]

isn't ripping speed depending on the DVD?
I riped two XXX-Movies (both DVD-5) with about 14x speed on a Toshiba 1502 but other "normal" Movies (on DVD-9) only with about 2x ...

[LanceSteel]

If wouldn't think that the 'type' of dvd should play much of a part. If I rip a DVD-9, it starts off slow 2x-3x then as it gets futher into the disk the speed picks up 7x-11x. When it switches layers I see no difference in the ripping speed compared to a DVD-5.

[boss]

i think the the method of encryption is more important then the kind of dvd. but the dvd drive is important as well. my compaq dvd-rom(which will only play dvd's occasionally these days) can rip up to about 5x but my pioneer 104 can only rip at 2.1x. can anyone rip faster with a 104? and if so, how?

[Snowface]

Martyn1980: Can you name the films that only take 2x so i can try them, and are they Pal or NTSC DVD's ?

I bought a Pioneer DVR-A04 too and I have to say that I can rip many movies much faster than 2x (SmartRipper). But Virtuosity (region-2) and The Matrix (region-1) kept ripping at a speed of 2x. Not a single bit faster or slower.
Also, I never noticed any loss of quality when I ripped faster. I don't think that is supposed to happen with digital information.

But what I would like to know is:
Does it really make a difference what brand DVD-R I use? I mean, I tried to backup my movies, before my kids damage anything. They work perfectly on any DVD-Rom, but not on a stand-alone, even though the players manuals (I tried several) and the recording instructions said they should.
Thanks in advance.

[AND1]

how do i turn DMA on and off?

[Tbear]

goto device manager >ide controller > properties> advance settings