best quality SVCD TMPGEnc template needed

[andybno1]

anyone have a very good template for getting very close or even dvd quality when encoding SVCD using TMPGEnc??

AndyB

[jledhead]

for the best quality, I would suggest CCE as your encoder and using 5 passes. comes out damn near flawless.

[SAFEDISKKILLER22]

you could do an XSVCD and raise the bit rate really high.

[vhelp]

andybno1,

b4u can get any reasonable answers, you need to tell us a bit
about your SOURCE ie:
* Internet/antenna/home-made/cable/VHS/Sat/DVD ect.
* capture settings, if used, ie, 352x240, 352x480, 480x480, etc.
* your encoding method/template/settings, etc. used

Example-1, if you're capturing VHS, no way! you're not
gonna get close to DVD quality. About the best you can get
is a decent looking SVCD, but not DVD or close either.
VHS resolution is approx. 352x240 vs. DVD resoltuion 720x480.

Example-2, if you D/L'd a divX lowres SOURCE, and you
wanna re-encode it, you probably not gonna get SVCD, or not,
but def. not DVD quality.
D/L'd files, ie divX are mostly odd resolutions, ie, 640x240
640x384, 384x240, 352x240, 512x400, etc., etc...

Example-3, if you SOURCE is from a DVD, then you def.
have a chance to improve the quality. No, D/L'd files that
claim DVD rip to divX doesn't count here. For obvious reasons.
Anways, but it doesn't matter if SOURCE is DVD. That is, you
don't want to make it (re-encode) to DVD, since you already
have the DVD - dahh! But you wanna make a SVCD, and improve
upon it.
This is assuming you have the DVD and are encoding it to SVCD.

Basically, DVD is not, "oh, i captured at 720x480, and now
I want to make a DVD" You can load in a DVD template, which
will encode to DVD specs (based on what you supply in your
source) but it will never be those commercial DVDs or those
Hollywood Camera's, etc. These are what make a true DVD.
Not someones cheap DV cam, or a capture done at 720x480.
though I have a DV cam. I never claim to make DVD from it.
No where's near it, he, he...

So, wheather you have a DV cam, or are capturing at 720x480,
you'll never get true DVD quality. However, tmpg's DVD
template will give you great results from a GOOD capture done
at 720x480 with a good CLEAN source It wont be true DVD
quality, but it will sure look good due to the high bitrate
used.

Some ideas:
* use some filtering to clean up source (if it's noisy)
* raise bitrate higher
* whatever else you can think of.

-vhelp
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[andybno1]

well I ain't capturing from vhs its all from dvd.

I am still classed as a newbie as I have only done about 3 dvds to vcd, this is my first attempt at doing a svcd, I have been using dvd2svcd to do road trip but it keeps making all these extra files, I have used the dvd2svcd guide on the doom9 site but I find it still seems to be a bit fuzzy in parts.

I would love to get the quality of the dvd screeners that are available on programs like winmx.

this is to fit svcd on a 80min cd

[jledhead]

for high quality, I would suggest using CCE as the encoder in combination with DVD2SVCD and do at least a 4 pass encode. use the default bitrates but adjust the disc size that you will be using. other then the guides at doom9, they also have a forum dedicated to DVD2svcd discussion, advanced topics and other. if you are using dvd2svcd I would suggest taking a look in that forum.

[Jaspa]

give the ligos lsx mpeg suite 2.0 a try, really good, kann make VBR mpegs and is fast near as cce and cost not so much money if you plan not to use warez

[andybno1]

for high quality, I would suggest using CCE as the encoder in combination with DVD2SVCD and do at least a 4 pass encode. use the default bitrates but adjust the disc size that you will be using. other then the guides at doom9, they also have a forum dedicated to DVD2svcd discussion, advanced topics and other. if you are using dvd2svcd I would suggest taking a look in that forum.

u couldn;t do a guide to show what you mean could you, i am not that good with settings.

[jledhead]

www.doom9.org has already created about the best DVD2SVCD guide around. they also have a forum with dedicated sections to DVD2svcd topics, advanced and otherwise. I couldn't possibly put into words what they have done over there.

[Mordant]

..and really with DVD2SVCD you pretty much just put the DVD in your drive and hit go...everything else is just getting fancy =)

I still prefer doing things manually with DVD2AVI/TMPGenc/EASYVCD just because I so often have CCE crash or a problem with the muxing in DVD2SVCD. When the program works it is excellent, but these days I'd rather take the quality hit and just know the encode will go smoothly with TMPGenc and step by step process on my own.

[jledhead]

even still in a step by step encode I would prefer CCE over TMPG. before DVD2svcd that is how I used to do it. CCE is hands down better then TMPG and way more powerful.

also, if there is a problem in DVD2SVCD and something doesn't finish it does have a recover option where you can take steps back and recover your work, obviously when dealing with a 15 hour encode you hate to redo the CCE process but the recovery feature is useful, and I have had to use it.

[Big_Jit]

andybno1

vhelp is right! pretty much garbage in = garbage out

but as far as the settung i use

TMPGEnc v2.5x

XSVCD
Video
352 x 480 (576 for PAL)
CQ_VBR - MAX = 2450 Min = ~0 - 700 (depending on widescreen aspect ratio)
Quality = 85%

Audio
128 kbps 44.1khz - Stereo


Fits about 50 minutes per disc

[energy80s]

If you want great quality using TMPGenc why not use CVD rather than SVCD. Just open the SVCD template in TMPGenc and change the resolution to 352x576(480) rather then the oddball 480x576(480) pic size. You can also change the audio sampling rate from 44.1 to 48k if you wish. This will make your encodes DVD compatible, meaning that any DVD player that accepts CD-Rs will play it and in the future you will be able to copy your CVD onto a DVD-R without re-encoding it as CVD is actually D2 (half DVD) resolution. Oh and the picture quality from a CVD encode is better than any SVCD too! Go on, give it a try, you know it makes sense!!

[andybno1]

thanx for all your feedback

[Bud]

You can go to the www.kvcd.net site they already have all the templates you need to get the results you want, give thame a try they work, as far a putting to DVD-R, I just completed a DVD-R with three SVCD type movies on it using DVDiT and the KDVD (Half DVD) templates.

Aloha
Bud

[andybno1]

yeah thanx for that link, but I don't have a dvd writer

[Bud]

The other templates work with the "normal" cd-r's/burners and TMPGEnc, it's not just DVD-R, that is what I use, I have also completed a number of single CD's in great quality up to 125 Min on one CD with his templates.

Aloha
Bud

[andybno1]

Well I will give it a try, which one do you suggest from the site?

[Bud]

It depends on what quality you are looking for, I would start with the standard 325x240 KVCD template, do a small test play it back, go to the next level which is SVCD based at 352x480, again test, look at it, I use the SVCD 352x480 and depending on the movie, make one change in the template and that would be to change the CQ from 70 down to about 55-60 and I can get a 120 min movie on one CD in SVCD quality. Now not all DVD Players will play these so look at the sites DVD listing. You may also want to read through the forum on that site to gain additional information on the methods that are used. So it's up to you , but I think it's worth a try.

Aloha
Bud

[andybno1]

well thanx for the advice Bud, The only dvd player I use that plays vcds is the one on my pc, so it should be ok?

[Bud]

Should not be a problem, however if you use the SVCD or DVD templates you will have to have a WinDVD or PowerDVD type player to play these back, again just give it a try, encode about 30 seconds or so of the film, play it back using all the templates you want.

Aloha
Bud

[andybno1]

well I'm covered as I have windvd and powerdvd(this one is default one to my computer). I prefer windvd over powerdvd.

[andybno1]

OK, used the KVCDx2-CQ-(PAL)-1CD.mcf template file off kwag's site, I changed the stream to mpeg-2, seen it came up to over 2gigs, so I changed it back to mpeg-1 and it was still over 2gigs, is this normal the film I'm trying to do is 117mins and the cd I want to use is 80mins, I seen further up in this thread that someone used the same template to fit 120min film onto a cd, was the cd 80 mins?

Any help would be much appreciated.

AndyB